What's up with Boyle?

[The 90+2]

Lack of confidence/motivation? At the start of the season he started off games well than faded (as did the rest of the side). As I said yesterday with a WC year next year and maybe a new contract to play for he might get back to his old self. Maybe he was after pastures new abroad before the whole covid thing hit?

[CMurdoch]

The poor wee guy has played in all 22 league games missing only 11 minutes.
That's 5th highest minutes in the league and the highest for any forward player in the league. Ryan Kent is next in 23rd. In essence Martin has been overplayed so no wonder he is struggling a bit at the moment.
Other than the games against the old firm he has found himself tightly marked and kicked up in the air.
It's a tough role winning loads of free kicks every week by getting kicked.

He has scored goals and has had some good assists.
He does what he can which is good enough for me and delighted he has had no more issues with his knee.
Get Murphy doing his thing on the other side and teams will have more to think about than Martin which will give him a bit of wriggle room..
He's at the right team and playing his level.

[wookie70]

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Exactly - Boyles form isn’t the problem and I’d totally dispute that he hasn’t done very well for us this season in any case.

I dread to think what we’d be like without him!

I agree with that. Boyle has scored 5 and assisted with 5 goals in the league already mostly from wide positions. He has also put great balls into the box lots of time to be squandered. He is a typical winger so has good games and bad and now teams realise he is our main threat they have started doubling up. We should see that as a plus and use that spare man elsewhere but our passing and movement is so slow and predictable we can't. I still think the biggest difference between Ross and Heck is Martin Boyle being fit and that the upturn in our form when Heck went was more to do with Boyle playing than him leaving.

[Itsnoteasy]

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He is clearly targeted by the opposition. They rotate kicking, tripping him in the same way teams would with SJM as soon as he broke away.

Hit him hard early & he's not interested. The problem is we don't do that to the oppositions danger men. On the other hand it didn't faze SJM he just got up & got on with it.

[Stuart93]

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Hit him hard early & he's not interested. The problem is we don't do that to the oppositions danger men. On the other hand it didn't faze SJM he just got up & got on with it.

Correct. We’re far too nice a team.

[Itsnoteasy]

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How can a player go from brilliant performances, aus national team, celebrations n new contract... to sub standard week in week out?

Has the servic dropped that much? Has he lost confidence? Bad management

It has to be something, but I've no idea why it's turned this way.

His problem was his mouth. He thought he was getting a big payday when his contract run out, then no takers. He then signs again for Hibs. One of the 1st things he said after signing was its great to be given another contract, but no disrespect to Hibs I am ambitious & believe I can play at a a higher level.

Everyone in all aspects of life should look to better themselves, but don't come out & tell everyone this.

[MrRobot]

We rely on Boyle too much and have basically nobody to replace him with so even when he isn’t playing well, he stays on. He’s played almost every minute so far. I get he one of our main attacking threats so it’s difficult to take him off but we need backup in that position.

It also doesn’t add for motivation that his place is safe regardless of his performance as we don’t have many options in that area.

[The 90+2]

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We rely on Boyle too much and have basically nobody to replace him with so even when he isn’t playing well, he stays on. He’s played almost every minute so far. I get he one of our main attacking threats so it’s difficult to take him off but we need backup in that position.

It also doesn’t add for motivation that his place is safe regardless of his performance as we don’t have many options in that area.

Was Drey Wright not signed as a player to play on the wide right with Murphy signed for the left? Another poor signing who has failed to show anything really.

It shows the confidence the manager has of the player when Boyle, out of form totally plays every single game.

[h1bs4life]

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The poor wee guy has played in all 22 league games missing only 11 minutes.
That's 5th highest minutes in the league and the highest for any forward player in the league. Ryan Kent is next in 23rd. In essence Martin has been overplayed so no wonder he is struggling a bit at the moment.
Other than the games against the old firm he has found himself tightly marked and kicked up in the air.
It's a tough role winning loads of free kicks every week by getting kicked.

He has scored goals and has had some good assists.
He does what he can which is good enough for me and delighted he has had no more issues with his knee.
Get Murphy doing his thing on the other side and teams will have more to think about than Martin which will give him a bit of wriggle room..
He's at the right team and playing his level.

Agree probably noticed it more now watching on line but the amount of punishment he takes is unbelievable with little protection from refs.
Every team apart from the Old Firm target him just about every tackle on him is trying to get his ankles ,back of the legs , pull of the jersey players taking turns each doing anything to stop him.
They double / treble up on him aware we have little threat elsewhere and if you stop Boyle you have a good chance of stopping Hibs.
Boyle has done alright this season , we need threats from other parts of the team as well , we need to be targeting opponents players and stop being so soft.

[MrRobot]

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Was Drey Wright not signed as a player to play on the wide right with Murphy signed for the left? Another poor signing who has failed to show anything really.

It shows the confidence the manager has of the player when Boyle, out of form totally plays every single game.

You would think he was but Drey seems to have played mostly on the left or central.

I agree though Drey hasn’t shown much so far, maybe it’s due to not playing in the position he was signed for but i think we’d be up in arms if Boyle was dropped for him

[Zambernardi1875]

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Sometimes he does it fine.

These past couple of results seem to suit you down to the ground. I don't think I've ever seen you so present across so many threads.

Are people only allowed to post if they toe the line.what he said regarding Boyle is true

[Peevemor]

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Are people only allowed to post if they toe the line.what he said regarding Boyle is true

So he can post what he wants, so can you, but I can't ?

How does that work then?

And for what it's worth, I disagree with his point. We've all seen Boyle beating players with the ball at his feet. He even did so yesterday.

[blackpoolhibs]

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He's just not as good as he thinks he is.

Probably why even a good spell last season, still nobody came in for him in the transfer window.

Does he have an opinion on himself, its not something I've seen or read about?

[Hiber-nation]

He's the least of our problems. Been poor the last 3 games but excellent in the previous 4 or 5. Would be far more appreciated if he had a decent no 9 in there for all his set ups.

[CentreLine]

I don’t know if it’s been said but I’m more than a little concerned that Boyle has gone back to spending too much of the game on his erse. Stay in yer feet and we get more out of you Boyler.

And he’s not the only one. Porteous would be much better employed attacking the ball in the box than toppling over at every opportunity

[The 90+2]

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You would think he was but Drey seems to have played mostly on the left or central.

I agree though Drey hasn’t shown much so far, maybe it’s due to not playing in the position he was signed for but i think we’d be up in arms if Boyle was dropped for him

While mainly true, if we sign the guy to be a right midfielder/winger at least give him the League Cup games otherwise it's a completely pointless signing wasting cash imo.

[MrRobot]

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While mainly true, if we sign the guy to be a right midfielder/winger at least give him the League Cup games otherwise it's a completely pointless signing wasting cash imo.

I agree mate, a run in his natural position might get the best out of Drey and could add motivation for Boyle.

[HFC 0-7]

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He's double/triple marked most games because we have zero options elsewhere on the pitch, it's no coincidence that when Murphy was wide left and the midfield did their jobs, Boyle was creative and doing well. If you have no threat from midfield and no one on the left they can gang up on Boyle and nullify him.

Exactly this, teams know that he is our biggest threat so mark him out the game. We should be using that as an advantage, if teams have to double up on him, there should be space elsewhere.

[The 90+2]

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I agree mate, a run in his natural position might get the best out of Drey and could add motivation for Boyle.

[Keith_M]

I'm a bit confused about the claim that Boyle is fast but can't get past opposition players, as I've seen him do just that multiple times this season.

I get that everyone's entitled to their point of view, but some people's views seems to have an awful lot of blind spots when it's something they quite clearly don't want to see.

[brog]

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Too much pressure on Boyler. Yesterday he had 3 Livi players swarming him every time the ball went near him, usually resulting in them taking turns in hacking him down. It should have freed up other Hibs players to do some damage, but nope they were in hiding.

He's the only Hibs player with any spark and drive at the moment. If he's not playing well, there no one else in the Hibs team capable of stepping up. We've got NO threat on the left hand side, unless Murphy is playing. Nisbet and Doidge have been terrible, midfield AWOL and defence full of quivering snowflakes.

No surprise the slackers have dragged down the better players ?

Excellent summary. I would only add to it that we also don't have anyone capable of passing the ball inside the full back for Boyle to run on to. Scott Allan's pass against Dons and Martin's goal last season is a perfect example. Result is every ball is hit to Boyle's feet meaning he has to try & beat 2 or 3 opponents from a standing start. If every Hibs player had played to Boyle's level this season then this board would be a far happier place.

[basehibby]

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Hit him hard early & he's not interested. The problem is we don't do that to the oppositions danger men. On the other hand it didn't faze SJM he just got up & got on with it.

The bit in bold is totally unfair on Boyle - he gets kicked up and down the park every week and I've never once seen him shirk but he continues to give his all.

The rest I agree with - we often seem guilty of forgetting teams below us in the league can play a bit as well and hence allowing them too much opportunity to do so.

[Bostonhibby]

Not much service, often having to backtrack and a victim of serial fouling.

A real match winner for us on his day.

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[ancient hibee]

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Excellent summary. I would only add to it that we also don't have anyone capable of passing the ball inside the full back for Boyle to run on to. Scott Allan's pass against Dons and Martin's goal last season is a perfect example. Result is every ball is hit to Boyle's feet meaning he has to try & beat 2 or 3 opponents from a standing start. If every Hibs player had played to Boyle's level this season then this board would be a far happier place.

Not only are the passes to his feet but the player usually runs to within 10 feet of Boyle and then passes it.

[allmodcons]

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The poor wee guy has played in all 22 league games missing only 11 minutes.
That's 5th highest minutes in the league and the highest for any forward player in the league. Ryan Kent is next in 23rd. In essence Martin has been overplayed so no wonder he is struggling a bit at the moment.
Other than the games against the old firm he has found himself tightly marked and kicked up in the air.
It's a tough role winning loads of free kicks every week by getting kicked.

He has scored goals and has had some good assists.
He does what he can which is good enough for me and delighted he has had no more issues with his knee.
Get Murphy doing his thing on the other side and teams will have more to think about than Martin which will give him a bit of wriggle room..
He's at the right team and playing his level.

Thank Christ for some common sense.

[MWHIBBIES]

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The bit in bold is totally unfair on Boyle - he gets kicked up and down the park every week and I've never once seen him shirk but he continues to give his all.

The rest I agree with - we often seem guilty of forgetting teams below us in the league can play a bit as well and hence allowing them too much opportunity to do so.

Its not just unfair, its nonsense, doesn't stand up at all. Boyle gets kicked and back up more than anyone I've seen at Hibs.

[allmodcons]

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Its not just unfair, its nonsense, doesn't stand up at all. Boyle gets kicked and back up more than anyone I've seen at Hibs.

[Inconsequential]

His loss of form has coincided with the mysterious disappearance of his bald patch. Just a thought.

[Itsnoteasy]

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its not just unfair, its nonsense, doesn't stand up at all. Boyle gets kicked and back up more than anyone i've seen at hibs.

sjm

[hibee-boys]

Boyle is the least of our problems, has scored and created more from open play than the rest of the midfielders put together. Get Murphy fit offering a threat down the left and this will help stretch our opponents defence, our attack can be so one sided it’s a joke. Boyle is also having to come and collect the ball so deep it’s easy to defend against, I want him running at defenders in the last third not from the half way line.