Coronavirus

[CropleyWasGod]

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Thoughts on this input from Blair:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55410349

It appears there are scientists presenting arguments for and against the idea.

The "health passport" thing will play right into the hands of the conspiracy theorists. Especially since he's one of the lizards.

This might have been better coming from someone else, with less baggage.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The "health passport" thing will play right into the hands of the conspiracy theorists. Especially since he's one of the lizards.

This might have been better coming from someone else, with less baggage.

Baggage because he's got Iraqis blood all over him. Not because it's pandering to a few mental cases conspiracy nuts that's just weird

[Moulin Yarns]

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The "health passport" thing will play right into the hands of the conspiracy theorists. Especially since he's one of the lizards.

This might have been better coming from someone else, with less baggage.

Gordon brown would have convinced me 😉

[Peevemor]

Here's a piece about how/why viruses mutate that's bordering on understandable.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...&sf241428766=1

[Santa Cruz]

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Here's a piece about how/why viruses mutate that's bordering on understandable.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...&sf241428766=1

Interesting read.

[I'm_cabbaged]

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Deaths were much worse then, 1200 a day at its peak in mid April. Cases much less, about 5,000 in mid April, about 10% of what we have now, although obviously there are caveats around that due to increased tests.

Considering we’ve not hit a peak of cases coupled with the fact that fewer people should be dying with better treatment now it’s looking pretty bleak.

[K-Zazu]

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[stu in nottingham]

Possibly a choice of two threads to post this on but it's interesting that today that the Sky News site has a headline story of 'Positive COVID tests in England rise by 58% in a week, with 'sharp' rise in Wales. Pretty staggering figures and of course of great concern o all.

Meanwhile, the BBC site has a lead story, of the continuing 'verge of Brexit deal' stuff. Any news of Covid is a fair old scroll down the page contained under 'World News'.

[Sir David Gray]

Daily Scottish update;

1314 new cases since yesterday - 5.3% positivity rate
Decrease of 17 in the confirmed cases in hospital
No change in the confirmed cases in intensive care
43 deaths registered since yesterday

[stoneyburn hibs]

Anyone heard anything as to further restrictions being announced in Scotland this coming Saturday?

I was told that it's to be a complete shutdown with tougher measures.

[Sir David Gray]

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 160
Edinburgh - 130
North Lanarkshire - 125
South Lanarkshire - 109
Fife - 88
Renfrewshire - 67
Aberdeenshire - 63
Aberdeen - 61
East Ayrshire - 53
Dundee - 53
Perth and Kinross - 38
East Renfrewshire - 35
West Lothian - 32
Highland - 32
North Ayrshire - 30
Inverclyde - 30
Falkirk - 26
East Dunbartonshire - 25
Scottish Borders - 22
East Lothian - 22
Midlothian - 20
Angus - 20
Dumfries and Galloway - 18
West Dunbartonshire - 17
South Ayrshire - 17
Stirling - 8
Clackmannanshire - 4
Argyll and Bute - 3
Shetland - 2
Moray - 1

[Sir David Gray]

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Anyone heard anything as to further restrictions being announced in Scotland this coming Saturday?

I was told that it's to be a complete shutdown with tougher measures.

I don't think it will be announced for Saturday although I do think a March style "Stay at home" order will be announced early in the new year.

Sturgeon's already alluded to the fact that they believe level 4 restrictions may not go far enough.

[stoneyburn hibs]

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I don't think it will be announced for Saturday although I do think a March style "Stay at home" order will be announced early in the new year.

Sturgeon's already alluded to the fact that they believe level 4 restrictions may not go far enough.

It's inevitable, like you I'd be surprised if something was announced in only 2 days time.

[Sir David Gray]

7 day rate of cases per 100,000 people up to 21st December;

North Ayrshire - 193.7
Aberdeen - 179.3
East Ayrshire - 172.9
East Lothian - 162.5
Glasgow - 153.1
Renfrewshire - 150.2
East Renfrewshire - 147.6
South Lanarkshire - 146.6
Perth and Kinross - 142.2
West Dunbartonshire - 141.7
Dundee - 141.3
North Lanarkshire - 136.2
Edinburgh - 132.6
Clackmannanshire - 130.0
Midlothian - 129.8
Aberdeenshire - 121.4
Inverclyde - 120.8
Fife - 115.6
South Ayrshire - 104.8
East Dunbartonshire - 101.3
West Lothian - 101.0
Stirling - 99.8
Scottish Borders - 96.1
Falkirk - 86.4
Angus - 69.7
Dumfries and Galloway - 54.4
Moray - 45.9
Argyll and Bute - 39.6
Highland - 31.8
Na h-Eileanan Siar - 11.2
Shetland - 8.7
Orkney - 0

[Billy Whizz]

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I don't think it will be announced for Saturday although I do think a March style "Stay at home" order will be announced early in the new year.

Sturgeon's already alluded to the fact that they believe level 4 restrictions may not go far enough.

Thought the next review was on the 30th?

[stu in nottingham]

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I don't think it will be announced for Saturday although I do think a March style "Stay at home" order will be announced early in the new year.

Sturgeon's already alluded to the fact that they believe level 4 restrictions may not go far enough.

'Stay at home' is already a rule of Tier 4 in England. In fact it's even named 'Tier 4: Stay at Home' so yes I think highly likely.

Rules are something like you must not leave your home/garden without a 'reasonable excuse'. Excuses include going to work (if you can't work at home) and other essential activities such as buying food or medicine locally or to access critical services such as education or childcare. You can exercise in a public place with some conditions.

Outside of education, it's pretty much back to March.

[Sir David Gray]

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Thought the next review was on the 30th?

It might be, maybe they'll want to toughen things up ahead of Hogmanay?

[SteveHFC]

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'Stay at home' is already a rule of Tier 4 in England. In fact it's even named 'Tier 4: Stay at Home' so yes I think highly likely.

Rules are something like you must not leave your home/garden without a 'reasonable excuse'. Excuses include going to work (if you can't work at home) and other essential activities such as buying food or medicine locally or to access critical services such as education or childcare. You can exercise in a public place with some conditions.

Outside of education, it's pretty much back to March.

With the lockdown back in March we had at least great weather. But sitting here for possibly another few months in the dark when it's cold will be worse.

[stu in nottingham]

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With the lockdown back in March we had at least great weather. But sitting here for possibly another few months in the dark when it's cold will be worse.

We didn't have Corona fatigue after many months of restrictions either.

What we didn't have then also though was the reassurance of having a vaccine. That's a massive plus factor in the whole scheme of things is the thought I'm holding on to.

[Sir David Gray]

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We didn't have Corona fatigue after many months of restictions either.

What we didn't have then also though was the reassurance of having a vaccine. That's a massive plus factor in the whole scheme of things is the thought I'm holding on to.

You're absolutely right it does give us some hope that we didn't have nine months ago when everything seemed quite apocalyptic.

However for a large number of people vaccination is still many months away in the future, possibly as many months in the future as we've already experienced since the first lockdown and the thought that we might only be around half way through this is really tough.

That's before we even consider that what the vaccine gives us longer term is still relatively unknown for this disease - and no I'm not talking about whether it possibly results in us growing a third armpit or a second forehead but more along the lines of how long it protects us for. I don't think anyone really knows the answer to that at the moment.

The handling of the pandemic so far across the UK also leaves a lot of people sceptical about how efficient the vaccination programme will be.

I'm hopeful that we might see a return to a bit of normality at some point next year but it's still a long way off at the moment.

[Sir David Gray]

News of a more transmissible strain being found in Dumfries and Galloway "very concerning".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...tland-55437311

[stu in nottingham]

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You're absolutely right it does give us some hope that we didn't have nine months ago when everything seemed quite apocalyptic.

However for a large number of people vaccination is still many months away in the future, possibly as many months in the future as we've already experienced since the first lockdown and the thought that we might only be around half way through this is really tough.

That's before we even consider that what the vaccine gives us longer term is still relatively unknown for this disease - and no I'm not talking about whether it possibly results in us growing a third armpit or a second forehead but more along the lines of how long it protects us for. I don't think anyone really knows the answer to that at the moment.

The handling of the pandemic so far across the UK also leaves a lot of people sceptical about how efficient the vaccination programme will be.

I'm hopeful that we might see a return to a bit of normality at some point next year but it's still a long way off at the moment.

Wouldn't disagree with anything you say there apart from to add that we don't as individuals have to have been vaccinated to feel the benefit of it. Even those that for various reasons don't receive vaccination will benefit due to others who haven't not transmitting it. Maybe the balance of those infected/not-infected might swing a little quicker than you're imagining. Let's both hope so.

[K-Zazu]

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News of a more transmissible strain being found in Dumfries and Galloway "very concerning".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...tland-55437311

Do u ever take a day off?

[stu in nottingham]

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News of a more transmissible strain being found in Dumfries and Galloway "very concerning".

I'm not sure if it's just the way I read that BBC report but it suggests that yet another new strain has been found (i.e. apart from the new one spreading in the south and the SA strain. This report seems to state quite clearly that it's the 'new strain being seen in the south and east of England.

'The new strain of coronavirus spreading quickly in the south East of England has been found in Dumfries and Galloway.

Public health officials believe the new variant, which is said to be more infectious, is associated with an outbreak of cases in Wigtownshire, with a further case identified in the lower Annandale area.'

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2020...s-and-galloway

[Killiehibbie]

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I'm not sure if it's just the way I read that BBC report but it suggests that yet another new strain has been found (i.e. apart from the new one spreadig in the south a the SA strain. This report seems to state quite clearly that it's the 'new strain beig seen in the south and east of England.

'The new strain of coronavirus spreading quickly in the south East of England has been found in Dumfries and Galloway.

Public health officials believe the new variant, which is said to be more infectious, is associated with an outbreak of cases in Wigtownshire, with a further case identified in the lower Annandale area.'

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2020...s-and-galloway

I reckon they're referring to the new one that got Christmas cancelled.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Do u ever take a day off?

He'd better bloody not.

I'm putting SDG up for the Pulitzer Prize.

[stu in nottingham]

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I reckon they're referring to the new one that got Christmas cancelled.

So do I.

[Sir David Gray]

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I'm not sure if it's just the way I read that BBC report but it suggests that yet another new strain has been found (i.e. apart from the new one spreading in the south and the SA strain. This report seems to state quite clearly that it's the 'new strain being seen in the south and east of England.

'The new strain of coronavirus spreading quickly in the south East of England has been found in Dumfries and Galloway.

Public health officials believe the new variant, which is said to be more infectious, is associated with an outbreak of cases in Wigtownshire, with a further case identified in the lower Annandale area.'

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2020...s-and-galloway

Ah right thanks for that, the BBC article seemed to suggest that it was a third highly transmissible strain over and above the ones found in England and South Africa.

Slightly less concerning then!

[Sir David Gray]

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Do u ever take a day off?

I've always said that if people are no longer interested in the stuff I post on this thread then I'll stop. The last time you had a similar pop at me resulted in a number of others saying they did not want me to stop contributing to this thread.

If you're not happy with my contribution then perhaps you could either put me on ignore or stop reading the thread.

[Sir David Gray]

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He'd better bloody not.

I'm putting SDG up for the Pulitzer Prize.

Thanks.