Atlantic League

[Ozyhibby]

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True, but the majority of season ticket holder’s still wouldn’t be able to watch us away from home given we get about 1,000 tickets against the Old Firm and probably not far off that at Aberdeen. We’d still get 3,500 at Tynecastle, and not all of our season ticket holders want to go to away games now, but I’d bet a higher percentage than now would want to go to those games given the lack of viable away games a season there would be.

Apart from Tynecastle, the majority of our season ticket holders don’t want to watch us away from home.


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[Peevemor]

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Apart from Tynecastle, the majority of our season ticket holders don’t want to watch us away from home.


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Maybe the majority want to but can't.

[The Modfather]

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Apart from Tynecastle, the majority of our season ticket holders don’t want to watch us away from home.


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I acknowledged that in my post, but imagine the number of seasons ticket holders interested in Tynecastle, Pittodrie, Ibrox & Parkhead would increase when those fixtures are the only realistic chance to watch Hibs away each season.

I don’t mean to always be a downer on the the idea as I’m open to persuasion even if my natural inclination is that it’s probably not for me. No one answered my post about what atmospheres would be like at most games when there’s only a couple of hundred away fans against teams we have no history with or feelings about either way.

[B.H.F.C]

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I acknowledged that in my post, but imagine the number of seasons ticket holders interested in Tynecastle, Pittodrie, Ibrox & Parkhead would increase when those fixtures are the only realistic chance to watch Hibs away each season.

I don’t mean to always be a downer on the the idea as I’m open to persuasion even if my natural inclination is that it’s probably not for me. No one answered my post about what atmospheres would be like at most games when there’s only a couple of hundred away fans against teams we have no history with or feelings about either way.

Novelty would ensure an all right atmosphere to start with.

Then, if you did well, the atmosphere would be good. If you didn’t, it would be poor.

As someone who goes home and away, this idea doesn’t appeal to me. The last few months have shown me that watching Hibs on a stream isn’t for me. If I was having to watch a third of our games on a stream, I’d become less engaged. Folk can talk about change coming etc, I still don’t see it happening any time soon.

[blackpoolhibs]

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What if it became a success?

Can you describe what would be a success.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Who is this shelbourne owner who is up for this anyway?

shelbourne have spent most of the last 15 years in Ireland’s second flight and got relegated again last season

[Dashing Bob S]

It’ll probably be a while but it will happen. There are clubs who are potentially very big in smaller north European counties who have been usurped by nothing clubs who have grown simply by virtue of TV money in their domestic leagues in more populous nations.

It’s obviously not in their interest -and I certainly include Hibs in this- for such a situation to continue. The solution is to band together.

We don’t play Napoli, Juventus, Barcelona, Liverpool etc in Europe now, but this happened largely due to financial/structural reasons rather than footballing ones.

[matty_f]

I would only really be in favour of the Atlantic League if if supplemented, rather than replaced, the domestic league season.

If there was a practical way of competing in both (maybe at the expense of the league cup) then I'd be all for it - good exposure, more money, a bit of variety, increase the standard - there are a lot of positives from it.

If it was that or the Scottish League though, I would not want to see it. I think we have a responsibility to the game in Scotland. The point about being able to get to away games is very valid and as well as that, Hibs should very much be part of the set up in Scotland.

[jgl07]

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I would only really be in favour of the Atlantic League if if supplemented, rather than replaced, the domestic league season.

If there was a practical way of competing in both (maybe at the expense of the league cup) then I'd be all for it - good exposure, more money, a bit of variety, increase the standard - there are a lot of positives from it.

If it was that or the Scottish League though, I would not want to see it. I think we have a responsibility to the game in Scotland. The point about being able to get to away games is very valid and as well as that, Hibs should very much be part of the set up in Scotland.

Giving up the League Cup is a dumb idea for a team like Hibs. All bar one of the major Trophies won since the early 1950s are in the League Cup.

Besides how many matches would binning the League Cup save four or five matches. Hardly enough to fit in a whole new League competition. To make a new competition possible would involve dropping the SPFL Premiership down to 22 matches.

I can see benefits from match less against Hamilton and two less against Rangers but replacing them with matches against Scandinavian or Belgian teams hardly excites. I doubt if the TV companies would pay a great deal.

I remain convinced that the whole concept will work. I would hope that the Scandinavian countries could form a combined League as could Belgium and Holland but beyond that I don’t seem many changes coming.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Throwing away over a century of tradition for what exactly?

[Jones28]

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Throwing away over a century of tradition for what exactly?

Mid table obscurity and regular pumpings off unpronounceable teams.

[BS44]

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I acknowledged that in my post, but imagine the number of seasons ticket holders interested in Tynecastle, Pittodrie, Ibrox & Parkhead would increase when those fixtures are the only realistic chance to watch Hibs away each season.

I don’t mean to always be a downer on the the idea as I’m open to persuasion even if my natural inclination is that it’s probably not for me. No one answered my post about what atmospheres would be like at most games when there’s only a couple of hundred away fans against teams we have no history with or feelings about either way.

That's the same as most Scottish clubs, and the clubs that carry an away support are involved in Atlantic league discussions.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Novelty would ensure an all right atmosphere to start with.

Then, if you did well, the atmosphere would be good. If you didn’t, it would be poor.

As someone who goes home and away, this idea doesn’t appeal to me. The last few months have shown me that watching Hibs on a stream isn’t for me. If I was having to watch a third of our games on a stream, I’d become less engaged. Folk can talk about change coming etc, I still don’t see it happening any time soon.

[mayo hibee]

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Throwing away over a century of tradition for what exactly?

It continually amazes me how people can look at a league that has only had the same two winners for the last 35 years, where half the teams can't get a home gate over 5000 and where no side outside the two continually dominant clubs has made the group stages of a European competition for a decade can look at pretty much any other option put forward and say no, I just love what we already have too much to want to change it.

It's like people have been brainwashed by a combination of tradition and the Glasgow based sports media.

[HibeeHibernian4]

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It continually amazes me how people can look at a league that has only had the same two winners for the last 35 years, where half the teams can't get a home gate over 5000 and where no side outside the two continually dominant clubs has made the group stages of a European competition for a decade can look at pretty much any other option put forward and say no, I just love what we already have too much to want to change it.

It's like people have been brainwashed by a combination of tradition and the Glasgow based sports media.

There are better ways to go about changing the above problems than to abandon the tradition of a Scottish league. A salary cap (which make no mistake I am sure is coming soon from FIFA) is one such thing.

[chippy]

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Mid table obscurity and regular pumpings off unpronounceable teams.

Duolingo can help with the pronunciations. 9/10 in an Atlantic league tier 1 would mean we’ve had some decent results, possibly against some of higher up clubs. Maybe even in contention for Top end of season play offs for a European place possibly. Most home games sell outs probably vs Malmö , Gothenburg, Rosenberg, Hearts, Aberdeen , Rangers , Copenhagen , Celtic. Need bigger stadium. What a crap idea not worth exploring

[Since90+2]

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Duolingo can help with the pronunciations. 9/10 in an Atlantic league tier 1 would mean we’ve had some decent results, possibly against some of higher up clubs. Maybe even in contention for Top end of season play offs for a European place possibly. Most home games sell outs probably vs Malmö , Gothenburg, Rosenberg, Hearts, Aberdeen , Rangers , Copenhagen , Celtic. Need bigger stadium. What a crap idea not worth exploring

We've played Brondby, Malmö and Molde in a European knockout competition in recent years and none were close to a sell out. Why would a run of the mill league game against the same teams be sell outs?

[B.H.F.C]

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Duolingo can help with the pronunciations. 9/10 in an Atlantic league tier 1 would mean we’ve had some decent results, possibly against some of higher up clubs. Maybe even in contention for Top end of season play offs for a European place possibly. Most home games sell outs probably vs Malmö , Gothenburg, Rosenberg, Hearts, Aberdeen , Rangers , Copenhagen , Celtic. Need bigger stadium. What a crap idea not worth exploring

There is one thing that makes Easter Road sell out (or be near to a sell out) and that is Hibs winning. The two seasons after the cup win show that. We were getting 18k against Dunfermline and the like, because we were winning. It would be the exact same in any Atlantic league, where I think we’d be less likely to be competing at the top end.

There is too much fantasy around it. Oh it’ll be a sell out every week, increasing capacity, paying players tens of thousands a week. And it’s all based on not very much.

[JimBHibees]

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I would only really be in favour of the Atlantic League if if supplemented, rather than replaced, the domestic league season.

If there was a practical way of competing in both (maybe at the expense of the league cup) then I'd be all for it - good exposure, more money, a bit of variety, increase the standard - there are a lot of positives from it.

If it was that or the Scottish League though, I would not want to see it. I think we have a responsibility to the game in Scotland. The point about being able to get to away games is very valid and as well as that, Hibs should very much be part of the set up in Scotland.

Pretty much where I am. Scottish football needs revamped however let's not through out the baby with the bath water Scottish football has a lot going for it. Games against middling European teams in a league basis do absolutely nothing for me to be honest.

[chippy]

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Mid table obscurity and regular pumpings off unpronounceable teams.

Duolingo can help with the pronunciations. 9/10 in an Atlantic league tier 1 would mean we’ve had some decent results, possibly against some of higher up clubs. Maybe even in contention for Top end of season play offs for a European place possibly. Most home games sell outs probably vs Malmö , Gothenburg, Rosenberg, Hearts, Aberdeen , Rangers , Copenhagen , Celtic. Need bigger stadium. What a crap idea not worth exploring

[Pagan Hibernia]

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Duolingo can help with the pronunciations. 9/10 in an Atlantic league tier 1 would mean we’ve had some decent results, possibly against some of higher up clubs. Maybe even in contention for Top end of season play offs for a European place possibly. Most home games sell outs probably vs Malmö , Gothenburg, Rosenberg, Hearts, Aberdeen , Rangers , Copenhagen , Celtic. Need bigger stadium. What a crap idea not worth exploring

again we hear about these mythical sellouts when we actually have no idea how much fans will take to this. Our fans weren’t particularly interested when we played these teams before.

[A Hi-Bee]

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It continually amazes me how people can look at a league that has only had the same two winners for the last 35 years, where half the teams can't get a home gate over 5000 and where no side outside the two continually dominant clubs has made the group stages of a European competition for a decade can look at pretty much any other option put forward and say no, I just love what we already have too much to want to change it.

It's like people have been brainwashed by a combination of tradition and the Glasgow based sports media.

I am wi this guy and he has saved me typing, change will happen, it needs to happen.

[Eyrie]

Can any of those in favour of this Atlantic League explain to me how Hibs will benefit from having the money to afford better players, when the entire league will have the same money to spend on better players?

Can any of those in favour of this Atlantic League explain to me how Hibs will benefit from having the money to afford better players, when some teams in that league will have far more money to spend on far better players?

Can any of those in favour of this Atlantic League explain to me how often they see Hibs challenging for the title, because the Ugly Sisters will still be there?

Can any of those in favour of this Atlantic League explain to me how often they see Hibs challenging for the title, because the best clubs from Scandinavia will be there?

Can any of those in favour of this Atlantic League explain to me how often they see Hibs finishing in the top half, because the Ugly Sisters and the best clubs from Scandinavia will be there?

[easty]

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It continually amazes me how people can look at a league that has only had the same two winners for the last 35 years, where half the teams can't get a home gate over 5000 and where no side outside the two continually dominant clubs has made the group stages of a European competition for a decade can look at pretty much any other option put forward and say no, I just love what we already have too much to want to change it.

It's like people have been brainwashed by a combination of tradition and the Glasgow based sports media.

I don’t think anyone, literally not anybody, is saying they don’t want to change Scottish football.

Maybe climb down off your high horse?

[Ozyhibby]

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We've played Brondby, Malmö and Molde in a European knockout competition in recent years and none were close to a sell out. Why would a run of the mill league game against the same teams be sell outs?

League games covered by season tickets sell better than early round cup games. They were also in July.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Can any of those in favour of this Atlantic League explain to me how Hibs will benefit from having the money to afford better players, when the entire league will have the same money to spend on better players?

Can any of those in favour of this Atlantic League explain to me how Hibs will benefit from having the money to afford better players, when some teams in that league will have far more money to spend on far better players?

Can any of those in favour of this Atlantic League explain to me how often they see Hibs challenging for the title, because the Ugly Sisters will still be there?

Can any of those in favour of this Atlantic League explain to me how often they see Hibs challenging for the title, because the best clubs from Scandinavia will be there?

Can any of those in favour of this Atlantic League explain to me how often they see Hibs finishing in the top half, because the Ugly Sisters and the best clubs from Scandinavia will be there?

Yes, last thing we want is to be watching better quality players on both sides every week.


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[Pagan Hibernia]

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League games covered by season tickets sell better than early round cup games. They were also in July.


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so people will go because they’ve already paid for their season ticket... rather than any real extra interest in Scandinavian teams?

[B.H.F.C]

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League games covered by season tickets sell better than early round cup games. They were also in July.


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Molde was in the middle of August. There was also a genuine belief we had a chance of making the group stage on the back of Asteras. A bit more appealing than sitting watching them when it’s -4 in the middle of December, in a run of the mill league game.

[HibeeHibernian4]

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Yes, last thing we want is to be watching better quality players on both sides every week.


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I care about watching eleven players who run out onto the pitch at Easter Road wearing green tops with white sleeves.

Anything beyond that (including the quality of our squad) is a bonus to me.

If you want to see good matches maybe just stick to watching the Champions League instead of trying to take a sledgehammer to one of the oldest national footballing heritages in existence.

[Ozyhibby]

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I care about watching eleven players who run out onto the pitch at Easter Road wearing green tops with white sleeves.

Anything beyond that (including the quality of our squad) is a bonus to me.

If you want to see good matches maybe just stick to watching the Champions League instead of trying to take a sledgehammer to one of the oldest national footballing heritages in existence.

So your saying so long as Hibs are playing, you don’t care?


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