Brexit - What Now.

[Colr]

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It was stated on a sea fishing forum that both lawnmowers and pet food are just 2 examples of industries that are financially worth more than fishing. Over 60% of English caught fish are either landed abroad or caught by foreign vessels. We need to be like Iceland and Norway in the respect of banning all trawlers from inshore fishing as we could then be like these countries in having a sustainable industry. Why our fishermen believe they have anything to gain is incredible as they've done nothing short of raping our seas and then selling their quotas to the foreigners they pretend to hate.

Add to that, British fishing rights were sold to EU fishermen and if they no longer have access, they may want to take that up legally.

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468

[Scorrie]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468

Only got themselves to blame in my view. Cornwall was an Objective 1 area and got lots of EU funding. Voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. Funding now stops. Obviously that wasn’t on the side of a bus eh?

[Billy Whizz]

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Only got themselves to blame in my view. Cornwall was an Objective 1 area and got lots of EU funding. Voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. Funding now stops. Obviously that wasn’t on the side of a bus eh?

They’ve all got themselves to blame

[Billy Whizz]

Talks now extended until later in the week

[Moulin Yarns]

Some unknown Scottish Office minister says tariffs would "not necessarily be the end of the world".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...lands-55293187

[stu in nottingham]

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Talks now extended until later in the week

It would have been a major surprise if they hadn't been extended. It means little, maybe a little extra time for Johnson to work out how to save face and protect his own future career.

[Callum_62]

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Some unknown Scottish Office minister says tariffs would "not necessarily be the end of the world".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...lands-55293187

David James Duguid is a Scottish Conservative Party politician

All you need to know about his motivations.

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[hibsbollah]

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It would have been a major surprise if they hadn't been extended. It means little, maybe a little extra time for Johnson to work out how to save face and protect his own future career.

This last bit could be key. A few extra days for him to continue to do nothing while his advisors do all the real work drawing up a Crap Deal to take the place of No Deal, it’s favourable to the EU but it gets spun as the opposite. He then presents it as a great triumph of Boris the Statesman and the media toe the line obediently on Thursday.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I still can't believe we are doing this, the national equivalent of sticking needles in our eyes, but to leave the EU without a trade deal would be disastrous. However, I'm sure that's what many of the Brexit hardliners wanted all along, despite their claims it would be the 'easiest deal in history' etc. So many lies were told by the TWO Brexit campaigns (giving convenient deniability to both) and the Brexit supporting press, it's astounding the referendum was so close.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I still can't believe we are doing this, the national equivalent of sticking needles in our eyes, but to leave the EU without a trade deal would be disastrous. However, I'm sure that's what many of the Brexit hardliners wanted all along, despite their claims it would be the 'easiest deal in history' etc. So many lies were told by the TWO Brexit campaigns (giving convenient deniability to both) and the Brexit supporting press, it's astounding the referendum was so close.

What a lot of Brexit hardliners want is to stop people who are not like them coming to the UK, by which I mean skin colour and language.

[Peevemor]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...st-year/13/12/

[Moulin Yarns]

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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...st-year/13/12/

Shocked. What with that and the 'blue' passports also going to France, it's almost like the UK government wants the UK to lose jobs.

[Hibrandenburg]

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What a lot of Brexit hardliners want is to stop people who are not like them coming to the UK, by which I mean skin colour and language.

And anyone who believes that the main driving force behind Brexit wasn't xenophobia are kidding themselves. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a xenophobe, but it was xenophobia that won the day.

[Moulin Yarns]

The government is suddenly instructing supermarkets to stockpile. But how, when UK warehouse capacity is more or less maxed out? I warned about this a few weeks ago, but couldn't get anyone in government or the media to take an interest.
https://t.co/riW1vBw2nj

[Hibernia&Alba]

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What a lot of Brexit hardliners want is to stop people who are not like them coming to the UK, by which I mean skin colour and language.

Of course, yet the same people who are so opposed to free movement of labour are devoted to free movement of capital. At least the likes of Milton Friedman were consistent in their neoliberal dystopia by supporting free movement of both, yet the right wing Brexiteers want to unleash the revolutionary force of anarcho-capitalism whilst simultaneously preserving a twee and stable 1950s version of British society, which isn't possible. Brexit is a Thatcherite fantasy of the compatibility of rapidly changing free market economics and a solidly unchanging social order of old.

[marinello59]

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Of course, yet the same people who are so opposed to free movement of labour are devoted to free movement of capital. At least the likes of Milton Friedman were consistent in their neoliberal dystopia by supporting free movement of both, yet the right wing Brexiteers want to unleash the revolutionary force of anarcho-capitalism whilst simultaneously preserving a twee and stable 1950s version of British society, which isn't possible. Brexit is a Thatcherite fantasy of the compatibility of rapidly changing free market economics and a solidly unchanging social order of old.

It’s a mess but it’s certainly not Thatcherite. It’s naked English Nationalism.

[Glory Lurker]

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And anyone who believes that the main driving force behind Brexit wasn't xenophobia are kidding themselves. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a xenophobe, but it was xenophobia that won the day.

Xenophobia has driven Euroscepticism since day one. It has been its central tenet. I do get that not everyone who voted leave was a xenophobe but, by god, they lent their vote to the xenophobes very recklessly.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Xenophobia has driven Euroscepticism since day one. It has been its central tenet. I do get that not everyone who voted leave was a xenophobe but, by god, they lent their vote to the xenophobes very recklessly.

I'd love to say it was different over here but the right wing rhetoric gets louder by the week. The AfD love a crisis, if Germany is having a hard time, then populism has an easy time, I guess the principle is the same for Farage and his ilk.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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It’s a mess but it’s certainly not Thatcherite. It’s naked English Nationalism.

Thatcher would have supported Brexit. She became increasingly Eurosceptic during her premiership, and certainly more so afterwards. She was quintessentially a representation of Tory England and had no understanding or sympathy beyond the home counties. She was at the forefront of pushing the revolutionary change free market capitalism creates whilst trying to maintain some traditional idea of stable (white) post-war social democratic society, which is simply impossible.

[Billy Whizz]

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The government is suddenly instructing supermarkets to stockpile. But how, when UK warehouse capacity is more or less maxed out? I warned about this a few weeks ago, but couldn't get anyone in government or the media to take an interest.
https://t.co/riW1vBw2nj

The Food company I do agency work for, brought loads of stock into the U.K. last month and this month
Goods all in external storage. These sort of things don’t help manufacture cash flow

[GlesgaeHibby]

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And anyone who believes that the main driving force behind Brexit wasn't xenophobia are kidding themselves. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a xenophobe, but it was xenophobia that won the day.

I think it was Will Self who said that not everyone that voted for Brexit was racist, but all racists voted for Brexit.

[lapsedhibee]

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I think it was Will Self who said that not everyone that voted for Brexit was racist, but all racists voted for Brexit.

Yep, he said it in front of the inflatable idiot Francois, who said Self should apologise to 17.4 million people, as Francois hadn't understood the difference.

[Keith_M]

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Overwhelmingly voted for Brexit then act surprised when they lose the handouts.

[Bostonhibby]

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Overwhelmingly voted for Brexit then act surprised when they lose the handouts.

It's almost as if Cornwall might be better off seeking independence then applying to join the EU?

Maybe the could have some sort of referendum on the matter.

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[Kato]

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Brexit is a Thatcherite fantasy of the compatibility of rapidly changing free market economics and a solidly unchanging social order of old.

I disagree. She always kept the ambitions of the weirdo "little Englander", upper class tories at arms length. She was a shopkeepers daughter and understood free-trade more than most. She might/would have been at odds with the EU's political endeavours but would have fought them from within (or just used the UK's veto, something the Brexit Gang conveniently forgot existed.) She may have been an evil, deranged, sack-of bones, meat-puppet disguised as a human but she wasn't a stupid, evil, deranged, sack-of bones, meat-puppet disguised as a human.

[Kato]

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Overwhelmingly voted for Brexit then act surprised when they lose the handouts.

...but we're not allowed to call them idiotic twats who haven't a clue what is good for them or who their real enemy is.

[degenerated]

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Yep, he said it in front of the inflatable idiot Francois, who said Self should apologise to 17.4 million people, as Francois hadn't understood the difference.

Led to a hilarious staring out contest

https://youtu.be/AOWzwv36GKU

[Lendo]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468

You reap what you sow. Sadly however these clowns will continue to vote Conservative and against their own self interest.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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I disagree. She always kept the ambitions of the weirdo "little Englander", upper class tories at arms length. She was a shopkeepers daughter and understood free-trade more than most. She might/would have been at odds with the EU's political endeavours but would have fought them from within (or just used the UK's veto, something the Brexit Gang conveniently forgot existed.) She may have been an evil, deranged, sack-of bones, meat-puppet disguised as a human but she wasn't a stupid, evil, deranged, sack-of bones, meat-puppet disguised as a human.

I disagree and believe Thatcher would have been entirely behind the Brexit project by 2016. Her parochial nonsense would have ultimately prevailed and taken us out today. It's all part of right wing drift towards the recidivism of a misplaced greatness; an embarrassing machismo lacking subtlety and the need to empathise. It's a bizarre fantasy of the Daily Mail reader which harks back to some mythologised past.