Fair play to Horgan. All other things being equal it’s a big differentiator right?
When the .net contingent were at HTC (one of Heckys last meetings) he touched on the psychological side of things being really important and hinted that it would be the next thing to look at in further detail (at the time I think we did have a sports psychologist working with the team). He didn’t mention names. And of course Heckys insistence on planning the way he wanted to play regardless was ultimately a big part in his downfall self belief might have seen a better return on goals (and injuries didn’t help his cause iirc but this isn’t a Hecky apologist thread).
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...r-road-3031291
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11-11-2020 05:48 PM #1
Horgan on the psychology side of things...
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11-11-2020 10:12 PM #2
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Interesting that. So much about football seems to be between the ears - which is one reason I tend to be down on the boo-boy elements in our support - because to some extent I believe that negativity transmits to the players on the pitch and I always want to see the Hibs support push the team on and never hinder them.
Of course instilling belief and mental toughness is part of the manager's job and even if it's possible for the fans to both help and hinder in that respect the buck stops with the Head coach. Some have argued after the last couple of games that this is a strength that Jack Ross lacks - particularly as regards "big matches". Personally I think it's way too early to draw that conclusion and would dearly love to see those doubters proven wrong. 10 days ago at Hampden would have been a great time to nip such doubts in the bud and failure to win that game has put a modicum of extra pressure on the players' shoulders.
Victory over Dundee will go some way to relieving that pressure. The ability to bounce back from poor results is in some ways every bit as important as the ability to rise to the occasion of a big match. The match against Dundee can't come soon enough - here's hoping the result and performance will reinstill some much needed bounce back into the team ahead of our next big match challenge vs Celtic at ER.
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I think we’re due a turn from the football Gods and our players to get back in the groove."We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
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11-11-2020 10:57 PM #4
In my work and personal life as a parent , employee, boss and simply as a friend and colleague , I can’t think of a single time in the last 50 plus years when negative feedback pointless criticism bullying or abuse ever resulted in an improvement in individual or team performance .
By all means give feedbackTo help improvement, be honest when there are gaps or issues and when a decision needs to be taken Do it quickly and fairly.
That creates Trust and trust builds confidence and confidence delivers performance to the max
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Last edited by Viva_Palmeiras; 11-11-2020 at 11:16 PM.
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11-11-2020 11:33 PM #6
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On the subject of Torto I missed that interview - any idea where I could track it down? He was the ultimate example of a confidence player. Sadly though he had very little of it and a vocal minority of the old East had a very poor grip on the concept of nurturing lols.
He was blessed with a brilliant left peg though
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12-11-2020 05:23 AM #8
The original session I watched (i think!) was a night at St Pats.
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12-11-2020 05:25 AM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote"We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
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Look at how massively successful GB sports such as cycling, gymnastics, swimming etc have been over the last 20 years or so when previously they were an embarrassment on the world stage. Yet now they are all having to deal with coaches being accused of bullying when pushing athletes to the limit and we have national sporting bodies holding enquiries and making promises to end bullying cultures in performance sport. "Excuse me Mr Ferguson, our committee thinks you shouldn't be shouting at your players like that. We're sure you can still win all these trophies by being a nice man." Cue a gradual decline in world/Olympic medals in the sports that adopt such a wishy-washy approach to their performance programmes.
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12-11-2020 09:56 AM #13
Daryl seems like a lovely guy and I wish him all the best.
There is always a sense of unfulfilled potential about him, but as has been said above, football is a sport played with the head as much as the feet.
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12-11-2020 10:18 AM #14
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Agree with the earlier comments made about our fans being a hindrance at times.
That St Johnstone game under Hecky was the most obvious recent example i can think of - such a tangible difference in the atmosphere had such a noticeable effect on the team.Last edited by James Stephen; 12-11-2020 at 10:20 AM.
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Here’s the result of your “wishy washy sports programmes”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a7789211.html
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-be-eradicated
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletic...e-fat-shaming/
and more details on gymnastics
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...se-ageism.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gymnastics/53419739
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gymnasti...sh-gymnastics/
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For every athlete who complains retrospectively about having being bullied through their performance programme, and from what I have read it is often, although not exclusively, the athletes who have not made it or not maintained it who do so, there will be just as many, the ones who actually succeeded in getting that elusive World or Olympic medal, who will acknowledge that they wouldn't have achieved what they did had they not been pushed and pushed again through their own perceived barriers to their physical and psychological performance.
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Have UK Cycling and Gymnastic not been hugely improving in the last few decades. Not saying I agree with the methods but I do think criticism and honesty is the most important element of feedback. In my work being critical is frown upon and there are so many nodding dugs scratching each others backs and telling each other what a wonderful job they are all doing that the positive message for realists is ignored as it simply isn't true. I don't see it as an issue if a coach says to a performance athlete that losing a few pounds may improve performance. I also don't have an issue with crowds getting a bit angry about a teams attitude and work rate. I think some players will wilt but others will up their game and ask the same of team mates. There is a line though and some criticise everything a player does and fail to see the positives.
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yeah it’s all about how it’s (feedback) done. RadicAl candour (https://www.radicalcandor.com/) is one that’s a bit of a flavour in “Agile” circles. Seems to me again it depends on how people interpret it and deliver it."We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
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