(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

***McD*** · 09-11-2020 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Renfrew_Hibby

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If he were to run in 2024 and win, could he defend that in 2028 and become a three term President?

*won't happen cos he'll either be banged up or drop dead hacking his way out the rough at the 16th hole somewhere.

don't think he can, it’s a 2 term limit

**~~G B Young~~** · 09-11-2020 05:55 PM

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The counting hasn't finished?

No that doesn't appear to be the reason. I'm guessing Trump has some influence on giving them the green light.

**~~G B Young~~** · 09-11-2020 05:56 PM

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If he were to run in 2024 and win, could he defend that in 2028 and become a three term President?

*won't happen cos he'll either be banged up or drop dead hacking his way out the rough at the 16th hole somewhere.

No he could only do four more years.

**~~G B Young~~** · 09-11-2020 09:43 PM

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Trump is the political equivalent of hearts. A bombastic obnoxious jobbie that just can’t accept he’s been flushed.

It might be the end of Trump (assuming he doesn't run again, which seems unlikely though not out of the question for somebody like him) but it's highly unlikely to be the end of 'Trumpism'.

Trump himself may be a bampot and we might like to write off his presidency as a one-off abberation, but it doesn't mean the 70 million Americans who voted for him are just going to roll over. Many of his ideas were clearly highly popular with a massive swathe of the population and it's easy to forget in the midst of a pandemic that pre-Covid the American economy was in robust shape, which raised wages for many low-skilled workers.

Trump's biggest allies were actually the intellectual left/liberal/metropolitan elite (call them what you will) who ignored the very voters who should have formed their natural heartland, but who ended up seeing Trump's offer as something mainstream politics had failed to provide them with. A similar 'forgotten majority' to those who ended up voting Britian out of the EU.

If the left continue to make the same mistakes (and they must have feared they'd done so as their expectations of a Biden landslide evaporated on election night) there's every chance of another populist surge.

***Radium*** · 09-11-2020 10:05 PM

https://twitter.com/lispower1/status...457391107?s=21

Shows how powerful media companies can be. Two weeks ago Fox would not have batted an eye and the allegations would have credibility simply by being aired. Taking the stream off and highlighting the lack of evidence exposes the weakness of the conspiracy being peddled

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***Ozyhibby*** · 10-11-2020 07:51 AM

Murdoch has always had the ability to switch horse when it suits his business interests. This is a clear sign that he sees Trump as dead in the water now. He’ll move very quickly to try discredit him as much as possible because he does not want Trump setting up his own network and taking all the crazies with him.

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***lapsedhibee*** · 10-11-2020 08:21 AM

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Murdoch has always had the ability to switch horse when it suits his business interests. This is a clear sign that he sees Trump as dead in the water now. He’ll move very quickly to try discredit him as much as possible because he does not want Trump setting up his own network and taking all the crazies with him.

Times running a story against him.

***Keith_M*** · 10-11-2020 12:14 PM

There are a number of people, mostly politicians and newspaper columnists, that are suggesting that now is the time to heal divisions between the warring sides and try to build bridges with the Trump side and his supporters.

I totally agree that's the best approach... but Trump is currently making that impossible with his (totally predictable) Toys Out The Pram behaviour.

Surely most people that did vote Trump are embarrassed by the stuff that's coming out of his Twitter posts, and from his entourage?

***neil7908*** · 10-11-2020 01:01 PM

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There are a number of people, mostly politicians and newspaper columnists, that are suggesting that now is the time to heal divisions between the warring sides and try to build bridges with the Trump side and his supporters.

I totally agree that's the best approach... but Trump is currently making that impossible with his (totally predictable) Toys Out The Pram behaviour.

Surely most people that did vote Trump are embarrassed by the stuff that's coming out of his Twitter posts, and from his entourage?

This is alway my concern when those on the left (not that the Democrats are much to the left) win. They are told they must embrace the country, listen to those that didn't vote with them, be moderate and compromise.

The right win and go for a hard Brexit, troll the left as Trump has done for years, and generally do what they want.

Right now Biden needs to govern as he believes is right, and worry less about Trump supporters. As you've noted, he and his team aren't allowing that to happen. I want to see the Democrats aggressively push their agenda and pursue whatever legal means they have to ensure crimes committed by Trump and his team are brought to justice.

It's a disgrace that Nixon was pardoned and it shouldn't be allowed to happen again.

***Bristolhibby*** · 10-11-2020 01:07 PM

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This is alway my concern when those on the left (not that the Democrats are much to the left) win. They are told they must embrace the country, listen to those that didn't vote with them, be moderate and compromise.

The right win and go for a hard Brexit, troll the left as Trump has done for years, and generally do what they want.

Right now Biden needs to govern as he believes is right, and worry less about Trump supporters. As you've noted, he and his team aren't allowing that to happen. I want to see the Democrats aggressively push their agenda and pursue whatever legal means they have to ensure crimes committed by Trump and his team are brought to justice.

It's a disgrace that Nixon was pardoned and it shouldn't be allowed to happen again.

Good point.

Statehood for DC and Puerto Rico for a start. Try and balance the Senate out a bit.

J

***Hibbyradge*** · 10-11-2020 01:16 PM

I've still got this horrible nagging feeling...

***Moulin Yarns*** · 10-11-2020 02:55 PM

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I've still got this horrible nagging feeling...

Have you seen a doctor? 😷😉

***Bristolhibby*** · 10-11-2020 02:58 PM

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I've still got this horrible nagging feeling...

Interestingly I’ve still got a cash out option on my Republicans winning the election bet.

J

***Hibbyradge*** · 10-11-2020 03:08 PM

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Interestingly I’ve still got a cash out option on my Republicans winning the election bet.

J

Really? I'd have grabbed that a couple of days ago but now I'm not so sure.

***lapsedhibee*** · 10-11-2020 04:28 PM

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Really? I'd have grabbed that a couple of days ago but now I'm not so sure.

Nah.Trump's not getting re-elected. All this legal pish is just the orange moron coming to terms with his grief.

***Callum_62*** · 10-11-2020 04:40 PM

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Nah.Trump's not getting re-elected. All this legal pish is just the orange moron coming to terms with his grief.

And squeezing some cash out of the population

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***lapsedhibee*** · 10-11-2020 04:44 PM

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And squeezing some cash out of the population

Let's hear it for the grifter!

**BroxburnHibee** · 10-11-2020 04:46 PM

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And squeezing some cash out of the population

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Yep think I read it says in the small print on all these fundraisers that it can be used to pay off campaign debts.

**Ronniekirk** · 10-11-2020 09:41 PM

I know some people that are spouting out trumps rhetoric and claiming the vote was rigged Dead people voted and Trump is the winner and the Courts will find fir him
One is losing friends as they believe they are speaking the truth and others are wrong
Frightening stuff
Can’t understand why someone is getting so worked up about the American Election when the Tories are acting the way they are ffs

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***JimBHibees*** · 11-11-2020 06:16 AM

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I know some people that are spouting out trumps rhetoric and claiming the vote was rigged Dead people voted and Trump is the winner and the Courts will find fir him
One is losing friends as they believe they are speaking the truth and others are wrong
Frightening stuff
Can’t understand why someone is getting so worked up about the American Election when the Tories are acting the way they are ffs

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We have a guy in our work who has always been seen as a little odd (quite religious though not that this would explain the oddness

) however one of my colleagues who he barely knows said the guy was discussing the election and he was very exercised by it all on how Trump was being badly treated in the media and that it was hugely important that he were to win. Seems strange to be that bothered.

***lapsedhibee*** · 11-11-2020 06:32 AM

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We have a guy in our work who has always been seen as a little odd (quite religious though not that this would explain the oddness

) however one of my colleagues who he barely knows said the guy was discussing the election and he was very exercised by it all on how Trump was being badly treated in the media and that it was hugely important that he were to win. Seems strange to be that bothered.

Trump's hold on some people does seem messianic.

***Callum_62*** · 11-11-2020 07:50 AM

The claim so far seems to be they cheated so I lost

Wheres is should be

Here evidnece that shows I've been cheated and hence why I lost

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***JimBHibees*** · 11-11-2020 07:58 AM

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Trump's hold on some people does seem messianic.

It does as he is an intelligent person but apparently wouldn't consider any of Trumps weaker points at all when questioned about them. Very strange

***lapsedhibee*** · 11-11-2020 08:10 AM

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The claim so far seems to be they cheated so I lost

Hadn't realised that he claimed all the same sort of stuff in 2016, when he wasn't a complete

From the Washington Post then:

"President-elect Donald Trump spent Sunday ridiculing Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign for joining a recount effort in Wisconsin, ending his day on Twitter by parroting a widely debunked conspiracy theory that her campaign benefited from massive voter fraud.

As his senior advisers engaged in an escalating feud over who the next secretary of state should be, Trump focused publicly on Clinton’s tally of 64 million votes — more than 2 million beyond what he garnered — by suggesting without evidence that millions of people illegally voted in the election.

“In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally,” Trump tweeted late Sunday, one of more than 10 tweets on the recount issue.

That accusation — spread by conspiracy sites such as *Infowars.com and discredited by fact-checking organizations — gained traction among some far-right conservatives disappointed that Trump lost the popular vote."

***Hibrandenburg*** · 11-11-2020 08:16 AM

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Trump's hold on some people does seem messianic.

He has a magnetic appeal to a whole range of weirdos because he panders to their racism, bigotry, extremist religious views, paranoia, conspiracies and greed. They are all desperate to be legitimized and the best thing they can all hope for is to be able to say "My views are not weird because the president shares them". It doesn't bother them in the slightest that he probably doesn't really hold similar weird views, it's enough that their weird views are legitimized.

***lapsedhibee*** · 11-11-2020 11:49 AM

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He has a magnetic appeal to a whole range of weirdos because he panders to their racism, bigotry, extremist religious views, paranoia, conspiracies and greed. They are all desperate to be legitimized and the best thing they can all hope for is to be able to say "My views are not weird because the president shares them". It doesn't bother them in the slightest that he probably doesn't really hold similar weird views, it's enough that their weird views are legitimized.

In the 'paranoia' category ... https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497

***CropleyWasGod*** · 11-11-2020 11:52 AM

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In the 'paranoia' category ... https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497

He starts with the words "I stand here...."

He's sitting down, no?

And then quotes a Muslim.....

***lapsedhibee*** · 11-11-2020 11:56 AM

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He starts with the words "I stand here...."

He's sitting down, no?

And then quotes a Muslim.....

His eyes are jumping about as if the cue cards his captors are making him read aloud are too big.

**hibsbollah** · 11-11-2020 12:08 PM

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In the 'paranoia' category ... https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497

Sad to see that, great actor, Runaway Train is a particular favourite. You just want to ask these people; where is the actual evidence? That’s the obvious question.