Vaccine and the return of Fans to Football

[Billy Whizz]

With the great news we got yesterday, and with the imminent arrival of a vaccine, where does this leave us, with getting back into see our team
From what I can gather, the elderly and vulnerable with get the vaccine 1st, think at my age I’m no 8 on the list, and as it stands I believe, nothing planned for the under 50’s

So what are the chances of getting in, say in Feb, with vaccines and mass testing in Scotland’s cities

Would be something to look forward too!

[eastterrace]

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With the great news we got yesterday, and with the imminent arrival of a vaccine, where does this leave us, with getting back into see our team
From what I can gather, the elderly and vulnerable with get the vaccine 1st, think at my age I’m no 8 on the list, and as it stands I believe, nothing planned for the under 50’s

So what are the chances of getting in, say in Feb, with vaccines and mass testing in Scotland’s cities

Would be something to look forward too!

yes all sounds promising but the anti vaccine brigade will try and put fear into people with the crap of a micro chip being in the vaccine. I will be taking it as cheesed of with lockdowns and tiers. Ggtth

[neil7908]

I reckon, based on no evidence, that we might get decent crowd's by May but only partial attendances before that. Still feels like we have a long way to go before 'normal'.

[Col2]

It’s very difficult to know. It is really positive news.

I think the vaccine strategy will be fascinating. Based on a two jab, two visit requirement and a vaccine held at -80 degrees, the logistical challenges of rolling it out are massive. Each doctors surgery would need to have the right skills and appropriate equipment (freezer) to make it work. Unless they decide to deploy via say the army, via walk in centers etc?

I am not convinced anyone under 50 who is healthy will get a vaccine in 2021, maybe 2022 or later.

So where does that leave us? Less deaths as older more vulnerable are protected but just as many infections until we reach a point of enough people vaccinated to stop the spread - over 60%?

Does it become a choice/cost thing? Eg family can pay for private, skip the queue and then protect themselves?

And to football, I can only see fans on reasonable numbers eg 7k+ at ER happening once vaccine ramp up well underway and if we are at tier 1 for infection levels. I cant see a situation where we can have full crowds back until we have infection rate down to minimal an vaccines for the majority. That could be well into next season.

What it should do from Q2 next year is open up travel, holidays, more socialising etc. does your new extended bubble become those that have had the vaccine? Or do new 15 min covid home tests become the norm before being let into heavily populated areas?

So for me it feels like Vaccine is a major factor but also will far more testing and easily accessed immediate testing and with additional drugs to help with those that become more unwell.

[kaimendhibs]

Really hope this is a game changer and we can return to as close as normal sooner rather than later. Be good if you got proof that you've had the vaccine in case anti vaxers (not my business to judge), put a spanner in the works

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[Jones28]

I'm confident in the vaccine for no reason other than what I've seen on the news, but I'm also very aware that football will probably be quite low on the list of priorities. I'm not sure if we will even have full crowds back in next year, it depends how quickly the government decide to give the contract to Serco for them to **** it up.

[Pretty Boy]

I still think this season is largely a write off as far as any great numbers getting into games goes.

We may get a few test events with increasing numbers by late April/early May but I think the big return, full house, Sunshine on Leith moment is for next season.

[Col2]

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I still think this season is largely a write off as far as any great numbers getting into games goes.

We may get a few test events with increasing numbers by late April/early May but I think the big return, full house, Sunshine on Leith moment is for next season.

I agree. I can see us having 1000 in by end of the season then build up from summer and full house maybe by this time next year. To be honest if that is what we are facing at least it’s light at the end of the tunnel and some hope.

[JeMeSouviens]

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It’s very difficult to know. It is really positive news.

I think the vaccine strategy will be fascinating. Based on a two jab, two visit requirement and a vaccine held at -80 degrees, the logistical challenges of rolling it out are massive. Each doctors surgery would need to have the right skills and appropriate equipment (freezer) to make it work. Unless they decide to deploy via say the army, via walk in centers etc?

I am not convinced anyone under 50 who is healthy will get a vaccine in 2021, maybe 2022 or later.

So where does that leave us? Less deaths as older more vulnerable are protected but just as many infections until we reach a point of enough people vaccinated to stop the spread - over 60%?

Does it become a choice/cost thing? Eg family can pay for private, skip the queue and then protect themselves?

And to football, I can only see fans on reasonable numbers eg 7k+ at ER happening once vaccine ramp up well underway and if we are at tier 1 for infection levels. I cant see a situation where we can have full crowds back until we have infection rate down to minimal an vaccines for the majority. That could be well into next season.

What it should do from Q2 next year is open up travel, holidays, more socialising etc. does your new extended bubble become those that have had the vaccine? Or do new 15 min covid home tests become the norm before being let into heavily populated areas?

So for me it feels like Vaccine is a major factor but also will far more testing and easily accessed immediate testing and with additional drugs to help with those that become more unwell.

It's not quite as bad on this point. The vaccine needs stored at -80 but is defrosted before being administered. It's usable for 5 days from defrost with normal refrigeration. So GPs shouldn't need anything other than normal fridges.

Hopefully we'll also have the Oxford/AZ vaccine soon, which doesn't need the deep freeze.

[Oscar T Grouch]

I cannot see anything happening this season. Distributing and administrating billions of vaccine doses will take a good length of time. We will probably see preparations for next season being 'back to normal' as long as the venerable and elderly get it first but it could be further into the season before we get back to a packed Easter Road. Personally I am going to do my best to forget this season even happened as this has really kicked the brown stuff out of my mental health. I never realised how important it was to me to travel to games every week, the camaraderie on the bus, the collective shouldering of bad results and the elation of good results. It has not been the same, the football is not the same, it is soulless without fans there.

[Col2]

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It's not quite as bad on this point. The vaccine needs stored at -80 but is defrosted before being administered. It's usable for 5 days from defrost with normal refrigeration. So GPs shouldn't need anything other than normal fridges.

Hopefully we'll also have the Oxford/AZ vaccine soon, which doesn't need the deep freeze.

I didn’t know that. Thanks for clarifying. Agree the Oxford group are hopefully next and others.

[CockneyRebel]

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I didn’t know that. Thanks for clarifying. Agree the Oxford group are hopefully next and others.

Does this look like we will have several different vaccinations being administered within the same country over a period of time? It would be quite some time before it's known which one(s) are most effective. Bit of a lucky dip. Glad that they are coming on line soon but, as an old fart who would be offered an early jag, do I stick or twist? Probably take the first on offer and keep my fingers crossed.

[Sir David Gray]

I'd personally write this season off. Hopefully we might start seeing some crowds returning soon after the start of next season.

I think full houses are probably unlikely until well into next season.

[Newry Hibs]

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Really hope this is a game changer and we can return to as close as normal sooner rather than later. Be good if you got proof that you've had the vaccine in case anti vaxers (not my business to judge), put a spanner in the works

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Why would you need proof that you had it? If you have it and the 'anti vaxxers' don't, then what's the big deal - you're protected (assuming it works).

Does it stop you from getting COVID or stop you being ill with it? Can you get it still and pass it on - even if you are protected?

[kaimendhibs]

Eh, whats with the aggressive tone? The reason I said about proof is it may persuade the authorities to allow people back in.
Why are you so bothered?

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[JohnMcM]

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Really hope this is a game changer and we can return to as close as normal sooner rather than later. Be good if you got proof that you've had the vaccine in case anti vaxers (not my business to judge), put a spanner in the works

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There was a discussion/phone-in this morning on Talk Radio around the topic of "proof". I didn't hear it all so I don't know if the UK was covered. The bit I heard was about travel abroad and the high likelihood that "popular" destinations like Spain, Portugal and France were already muting the necessity for visitors to show proof.

So, your thought about proof is already being considered. Personally it makes sense to me.

[G B Young]

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I still think this season is largely a write off as far as any great numbers getting into games goes.

We may get a few test events with increasing numbers by late April/early May but I think the big return, full house, Sunshine on Leith moment is for next season.

Spot on. Rolling out a vaccine on this scale won't be an overnight job and getting fans back into sports stadiums won't be a priority.

We won't be back at ER in anything more than test numbers until next season.

[Newry Hibs]

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Eh, whats with the aggressive tone? The reason I said about proof is it may persuade the authorities to allow people back in.
Why are you so bothered?

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Wasn't meant to be an aggressive tone - so apologies that it came across as that.

My first point about proof - why would it be needed at all. If it works and one has it, then there is no need to worry about others not having it.

Second point was just questions about the vaccine - not aimed at you. Should have said 'one' instead of 'you'.

I'm thinking it is all a bit rushed (and a little convenient seeing how the US election is (possibly) over).

[AugustaHibs]

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There was a discussion/phone-in this morning on Talk Radio around the topic of "proof". I didn't hear it all so I don't know if the UK was covered. The bit I heard was about travel abroad and the high likelihood that "popular" destinations like Spain, Portugal and France were already muting the necessity for visitors to show proof.

So, your thought about proof is already being considered. Personally it makes sense to me.

Can’t say I agree with that. So the older folk that we’ve all been trying to protect will get the vaccine first so they can swan off on holiday whilst the rest of us have to sit and wait months/ potentially years?

[kaimendhibs]

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There was a discussion/phone-in this morning on Talk Radio around the topic of "proof". I didn't hear it all so I don't know if the UK was covered. The bit I heard was about travel abroad and the high likelihood that "popular" destinations like Spain, Portugal and France were already muting the necessity for visitors to show proof.

So, your thought about proof is already being considered. Personally it makes sense to me.

Cheers mate. Like I said in my post its not my business to judge whether people do or dont take the vaccine.

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[kaimendhibs]

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Wasn't meant to be an aggressive tone - so apologies that it came across as that.

My first point about proof - why would it be needed at all. If it works and one has it, then there is no need to worry about others not having it.

Second point was just questions about the vaccine - not aimed at you. Should have said 'one' instead of 'you'.

I'm thinking it is all a bit rushed (and a little convenient seeing how the US election is (possibly) over).

No problem mate. Just musing over possible scenarios

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[Carheenlea]

Not fussed for this season but feeling quite optimistic now that we will all take our seats for the start of next season in August.

[ScottB]

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Can’t say I agree with that. So the older folk that we’ve all been trying to protect will get the vaccine first so they can swan off on holiday whilst the rest of us have to sit and wait months/ potentially years?

Yup, the UK plan seems to be, starting with folk in care homes, to progressively vaccinate everyone over 50.

Young folk will be left to risk illness for the economy as per.

[blackpoolhibs]

Personally I'm not that bothered now, I get it that some folk want back yesterday, but I can wait now and if its next season then so be it.

[Keith_M]

I don't want no micro-chip implanted in me with this vaccine for a FAKE NEWS virus!

[Baldy Foghorn]

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I cannot see anything happening this season. Distributing and administrating billions of vaccine doses will take a good length of time. We will probably see preparations for next season being 'back to normal' as long as the venerable and elderly get it first but it could be further into the season before we get back to a packed Easter Road. Personally I am going to do my best to forget this season even happened as this has really kicked the brown stuff out of my mental health. I never realised how important it was to me to travel to games every week, the camaraderie on the bus, the collective shouldering of bad results and the elation of good results. It has not been the same, the football is not the same, it is soulless without fans there.

Spot on V

[where'stheslope]

Can't see vaccine helping this season at all, 4 million vaccines halfed as you need 2 doses, then given to the elderly, NHS and carers first, that will be the 2 million used up.
With the time scale given, that takes us to the middle of January!
By they go down in 5 year segments to the 50's, it will be well into next season before everyone has been vaccinated.

[CapitalGreen]

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Can't see vaccine helping this season at all, 4 million vaccines halfed as you need 2 doses, then given to the elderly, NHS and carers first, that will be the 2 million used up.
With the time scale given, that takes us to the middle of January!
By they go down in 5 year segments to the 50's, it will be well into next season before everyone has been vaccinated.

You’ve missed a 0. It’s 40 million doses for 20 million people.

[CapitalGreen]

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Yup, the UK plan seems to be, starting with folk in care homes, to progressively vaccinate everyone over 50.

Young folk will be left to risk illness for the economy as per.

Young people who the virus poses a serious risk too will be vaccinated.

[Onion]

Managing the pandemic is all about cutting the mortality rate and relieving pressure on the NHS. If the vaccine's effective and given to those most at risk in the community, should be no reason not to allow football, rugby and other sporting events to open up. Imo there's a good chance we'll all get a chance to get along to ER well before season end.