Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[Bostonhibby]

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No way he'll be saying that. He'll be claiming it's (gone down from 7.7 to 6 which is) a 22% reduction in somethingorother.

Or they could get Matt Hancock to do the numbers, a 50% gain for the Unified Kingdong.

There'll be Bluebells over the white crofts of Dover by Christmas as we sail into to the land of subsidy free UK milk and Polish honey labelled with the British tractor label.

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[lapsedhibee]

Who's a naughty Tory?

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...24004923662336

[One Day Soon]

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Who's a naughty Tory?

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...24004923662336

Good work there by the fox beater. I regard these people as hijackers of the Conservative Party and I confidently believe two things about all this. 1. It will result in a Starmer government eventually and 2. A number of people currently making or influencing decisions are going to end up before one form or another of the Beak.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Good work there by the fox beater. I regard these people as hijackers of the Conservative Party and I confidently believe two things about all this. 1. It will result in a Starmer government eventually and 2. A number of people currently making or influencing decisions are going to end up before one form or another of the Beak.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

Are you sure Starmer will be the prime minister anytime soon?

[One Day Soon]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

Are you sure Starmer will be the prime minister anytime soon?

Soon, no. It's three years until the next election. Addressing this comprehensively would be a good next step on that journey.

[SHODAN]

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Good work there by the fox beater. I regard these people as hijackers of the Conservative Party and I confidently believe two things about all this. 1. It will result in a Starmer government eventually and 2. A number of people currently making or influencing decisions are going to end up before one form or another of the Beak.

There will be an avalanche of anti-Starmer "REVELATIONS" and "BETRAYALS" from the "impartial, balanced" UK media in the month before the election which will wipe out his lead and give Johnson/Sunak/whoever an "unprecedented" majority ala 2015. Hopefully we won't be voting in it.

[One Day Soon]

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There will be an avalanche of anti-Starmer "REVELATIONS" and "BETRAYALS" from the "impartial, balanced" UK media in the month before the election which will wipe out his lead and give Johnson/Sunak/whoever an "unprecedented" majority ala 2015. Hopefully we won't be voting in it.

The traditional media is much weaker as a leader of public political opinion than it used to be and they didn't stop Labour from beating a tired, discredited and divided Tory Party in 1999. And this supposedly influential media has in Scotland (where nationalists would have you believe it is pretty much uniformly hostile to independence) failed to wipe out SNP leads in the month before recent elections. I like my chances on this one and hopefully we will still be fully involved in it.

[Keith_M]

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Who's a naughty Tory?

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...24004923662336

I expect full details of this to be reported on every news channel and newspaper.


I also believe in the tooth fairy.

[weecounty hibby]

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The traditional media is much weaker as a leader of public political opinion than it used to be and they didn't stop Labour from beating a tired, discredited and divided Tory Party in 1999. And this supposedly influential media has in Scotland (where nationalists would have you believe it is pretty much uniformly hostile to independence) failed to wipe out SNP leads in the month before recent elections. I like my chances on this one and hopefully we will still be fully involved in it.

That self same media had jumped on the Blair bandwagon and were very supportive of Labour. That is one of the main reasons why Labour beat the Tories. Alistair Campbell was an absolute master of spin and getting the media onboard with the Blair/new Labour project.

[Pretty Boy]

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That self same media had jumped on the Blair bandwagon and were very supportive of Labour. That is one of the main reasons why Labour beat the Tories. Alistair Campbell was an absolute master of spin and getting the media onboard with the Blair/new Labour project.

The world had changed massively since Blair rose to prominence though. Blair was meeting with Murdoch on his yacht in 1995 and beginning the process of gaining his media empire endorsement (which finally came in early 97). Even by the latter stages of the Blair premiership only 67% of households had a home computer, in 1997 that was 27% and today it's 88%. Twitter and Facebook didn't appear until the last nails were being hammered in the Blairism coffin.

There is little doubt that the ability of the Blair administration to manage the press was a huge factor in their success. Is it as relevant now? Almost half of adults state they get their news from social media now, that wasn't a thing for most of the Blair era. Print media is a news source for only 38% of adults now albeit that rises when combined with their online offering.

Controlling the traditional media is still important but far less so than it was even 15 years ago. The murky world of social media is increasingly important; Cambridge Analytica and the like should be living proof of that to all of us.

[weecounty hibby]

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The world had changed massively since Blair rose to prominence though. Blair was meeting with Murdoch on his yacht in 1995 and beginning the process of gaining his media empire endorsement (which finally came in early 97). Even by the latter stages of the Blair premiership only 67% of households had a home computer, in 1997 that was 27% and today it's 88%. Twitter and Facebook didn't appear until the last nails were being hammered in the Blairism coffin.

There is little doubt that the ability of the Blair administration to manage the press was a huge factor in their success. Is it as relevant now? Almost half of adults state they get their news from social media now, that wasn't a thing for most of the Blair era. Print media is a news source for only 38% of adults now albeit that rises when combined with their online offering.

Controlling the traditional media is still important but far less so than it was even 15 years ago. The murky world of social media is increasingly important; Cambridge Analytica and the like should be living proof of that to all of us.

Yeah, I 100% agree with all of that. The implication, unless I'm reading it wrong, on the post I replied to was that Labour won inspire of the media. They actually won because they had the media on side at that time as you say

[marinello59]

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Yeah, I 100% agree with all of that. The implication, unless I'm reading it wrong, on the post I replied to was that Labour won inspire of the media. They actually won because they had the media on side at that time as you say

It was a factor but far from being the main one. Labour had a young charismatic leader offering popular new policies at a time when the country was more than ready for change. Murdoch got on board because he likes to back winners.

[Mibbes Aye]

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It was a factor but far from being the main one. Labour had a young charismatic leader offering popular new policies at a time when the country was more than ready for change. Murdoch got on board because he likes to back winners.

Very much this.

[CloudSquall]

Can Starmer find a D:ream "Things Can Only Get Better" replacment?

I have my doubts.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bongbrummie/stat...183173121?s=21


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[Mr Grieves]

It's not looking good for Boris.

https://twitter.com/MattChorley/stat...267079685?s=20


Mood among Tory MPs is seriously bad. Even those who think this is the right thing to do now are dismayed that it’s come to this.

“Shambolic. Rudderless ramblings. constituents getting in touch furious or in tears.”

“Grim grim grim”

“I think it could be his Suez”

Conservative minister: “The incompetence is another level. Is this a deliberate destruction of the Tory Party? People only vote for us because they think we don’t care, but are competent. Lose the competence and we’re ****ed. We’ve lost the competence. And we are ****ed.”

A senior Tory MP and former minister gets in touch after seeing this thread:
“He’s on borrowed time. Totally inept.”

[Moulin Yarns]

Heard that the leaking of information about the lockdown was done by senior tories to ensure Boris didn't U turn.

[One Day Soon]

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Heard that the leaking of information about the lockdown was done by senior tories to ensure Boris didn't U turn.

If that’s true then he’s a politically dead man walking. No way he makes it through next year as PM.

[lapsedhibee]

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If that’s true then he’s a politically dead man walking. No way he makes it through next year as PM.

If the people complaining about him had a spine he wouldn't make it through this year.

[Hibrandenburg]

Did I just hear correctly on Sky News that Boris Johnson is facing a backbench rebellion because he's putting too much faith in science regarding the Corona epidemic? Please dog, get Scotland tae **** out of this union.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Did I just hear correctly on Sky News that Boris Johnson is facing a backbench rebellion because he's putting too much faith in science regarding the Corona epidemic? Please dog, get Scotland tae **** out of this union.

See my post from 12 hours ago.

[Future17]

Record reporting that Douglas Ross is facing a FIFA investigation for using a photo of himself in his Ass. Ref. outfit in a Tory mailshot.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Record reporting that Douglas Ross is facing a FIFA investigation for using a photo of himself in his Ass. Ref. outfit in a Tory mailshot.

Read that in the national.

Also a German referee was disciplined a few years ago for similar.

[davy67 +]

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Heard that the leaking of information about the lockdown was done by senior tories to ensure Boris didn't U turn.

Doesn't surprise me they've always been pretty keen on stabbing their leaders in the back

[Kato]

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It's not looking good for Boris.

https://twitter.com/MattChorley/stat...267079685?s=20


Mood among Tory MPs is seriously bad. Even those who think this is the right thing to do now are dismayed that it’s come to this.

“Shambolic. Rudderless ramblings. constituents getting in touch furious or in tears.”

“Grim grim grim”

“I think it could be his Suez”

Conservative minister: “The incompetence is another level. Is this a deliberate destruction of the Tory Party? People only vote for us because they think we don’t care, but are competent. Lose the competence and we’re ****ed. We’ve lost the competence. And we are ****ed.”

A senior Tory MP and former minister gets in touch after seeing this thread:
“He’s on borrowed time. Totally inept.”

It was fine when his job consisted of the odd xenophobic remark or accusing Labour leaders of supporting terrorists. Now that it actually means leading the country and making actual decisions in a timely manner the spell has broken and the facade drops so they see what everyone who doesn't suffer from British exceptionalism has seen all along. An idiotic, fat arse.

[Hiber-nation]

I see The Mail is really gunning for Bojo. I'd give him to the end of January.

[Bostonhibby]

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I see The Mail is really gunning for Bojo. I'd give him to the end of January.

Yep, Gove, Patel, Raab, Hancock, Williamson all lining up their campaigns.

Things can only get better

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[lapsedhibee]

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Yep, Gove, Patel, Raab, Hancock, Williamson all lining up their campaigns.

I know they're all deluded, but

[Bostonhibby]

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I know they're all deluded, but

Snake who keeps surviving......

Alright, how about Grayling, a man for our times and surely who Bozo is aspiring to be?

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[lapsedhibee]

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Snake who keeps surviving......

Alright, how about Grayling, a man for our times and surely who Bozo is aspiring to be?

Williamson and Patel are only cabinet ministers because Johnson sycophants. May found them out as snakes and sacked them. Could Grayling be the man to unite the country?