The generic Hearts thread

[Stuart93]

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Does that get paid by Hearts or does it come directly out of James Anderson's bank account?

They can probably afford it due to FoH contributions.

It’s pleasing that contributions will be going towards their massive wages.

[matty_f]

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EXCLUSIVE! Hearts and Partick Thistle hammer SPFL for granting arbitration panel permission to publish judgment #HMFC #PTFC | @rosspilcher

https://t.co/TtSn7V8T3X https://t.co/ArbRO0chai

Hypocrites.

[JimBHibees]

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Hypocrites.

Agree but assume all parties would need to agree to publication of anything about arbitration.

[greenginger]

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Has it been published somewhere yet?

Edit: I just read that it hasn't been as all parties concerned have to be OK with it & Hearst & Thistle obviously aren't.

Leak it. , not as if Hertz not done enough leaking lately

[007]

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EXCLUSIVE! Hearts and Partick Thistle hammer SPFL for granting arbitration panel permission to publish judgment #HMFC #PTFC | @rosspilcher

https://t.co/TtSn7V8T3X https://t.co/ArbRO0chai

Doncaster said on Saturday's Sportsound he'd have no problem with everything being made public. Why would Hearts and Partick not want the Judgement, or any part of it for that matter, withheld from the other clubs? After saying they wanted it all in public they are now being very hypocritical. Have they got something to hide? Maybe there's something in there about the donation from James Anderson and initially there were strings attached to it. Maybe there's something in amongst the evidence about Hearts, Rangers and Inverness plotting to get the league null & voided. It'd be great if the info was released as I'd like to see how Budge came up with the £8m figure.

[matty_f]

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Agree but assume all parties would need to agree to publication of anything about arbitration.

They do - nothing has been released yet, it needs the consent of all parties.

[JimBHibees]

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They do - nothing has been released yet, it needs the consent of all parties.

So the paper headline is wrong or both moaning that spfl would be happy for publication. If so they obviously got humiliated in the judgement. More faces than the town clock that mob.

[matty_f]

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So the paper headline is wrong or both moaning that spfl would be happy for publication. If so they obviously got humiliated in the judgement. More faces than the town clock that mob.

They're unhappy that the SPFL and the three clubs that had to defend themselves against Hearts and Partick's court action, have all given permission for publication of the judgement.

Hearts, having wanted it all played out in public, are not happy at this, because the SPFL didn't want the dirty washing done in public in court.

Hearts and Partick continue to miss the point of that choice, and again show themselves to be petty, mindless, hypocrites.

[Rumble de Thump]

The fact that Hearts comprehensively lost the arbitration case made it clear that Budge has been wrong in every aspect since day one. She refused to abide by the rules, chose to break another rule in taking the matter to court, attacked fellow member clubs and spent months libelling SPFL board members and other directors. Bringing the game into disrepute and causing all sorts of problems for clubs that they certainly didn't need. The details of the arbitration judgment would just make all this even clearer.

[JimBHibees]

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They're unhappy that the SPFL and the three clubs that had to defend themselves against Hearts and Partick's court action, have all given permission for publication of the judgement.

Hearts, having wanted it all played out in public, are not happy at this, because the SPFL didn't want the dirty washing done in public in court.

Hearts and Partick continue to miss the point of that choice, and again show themselves to be petty, mindless, hypocrites.

Undoubtedly

[007]

Will be interesting to see if Tom English is calling for the info to be released. Probably won't be but would've if it'd been Hearts and Partick wanting details released and Doncaster wanting it kept confidential.

[mal]

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They do - nothing has been released yet, it needs the consent of all parties.

The fact that they've made a fuss about this will now highlight that it's they who do not want the judgment published, whereas if they'd said nothing then it wouldn't have been published and would have been forgotten about. So, once again they shoot themselves in the foot. If it was a friend behaving like that I'd seriously be wondering if they were having issues with their mental health or if they were abusing substances.

[Since452]

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Must be very difficult being a hearts fan right now seeing fans of all the top tier teams excited that footballs back knowing you still have another 2 months before you see any competitive action

Theirs is the worst relegation ever

[FilipinoHibs]

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Theirs is the worst relegation ever

Correction: the best relegation ever witnessed.

[Bostonhibby]

You'd really think Mrs doctor Budge and mini Mrs doctor Budge over at Partick would want it all out in the open to be consistent and to continue with the exposure of their injustice agenda.

First thing they've not rushed to go public with and first thing that the friendly media haven't leaked or had leaked.....

Wonder why.

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[Onion]

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They're unhappy that the SPFL and the three clubs that had to defend themselves against Hearts and Partick's court action, have all given permission for publication of the judgement.

Hearts, having wanted it all played out in public, are not happy at this, because the SPFL didn't want the dirty washing done in public in court.

Hearts and Partick continue to miss the point of that choice, and again show themselves to be petty, mindless, hypocrites.

Got to be some juicy criticism of Hearts and Partick in the full judgement, which those two want blocked. Maybe the Arbitration team said Budge is a whinging numbskull who is not fit to run a bath. Can understand if she wouldn't want that made public.

[brianmc]

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Correction: the best relegation ever witnessed.

^^This.



*Always wanted to do that 🙂

[The 90+2]

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Got to be some juicy criticism of Hearts and Partick in the full judgement, which those two want blocked. Maybe the Arbitration team said Budge is a whinging numbskull who is not fit to run a bath. Can understand if she wouldn't want that made public.

Or details of Patrick’s bullying of other clubs ganging up with Inverness will come out if it was used as evidence against them by the spfl?

[Peevemor]

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You'd really think Mrs doctor Budge and mini Mrs doctor Budge over at Partick would want it all out in the open to be consistent and to continue with the exposure of their injustice agenda.

First thing they've not rushed to go public with and first thing that the friendly media haven't leaked or had leaked.....

Wonder why.

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Remember the Saturday statement about something they couldn't talk about?

[Bostonhibby]

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Remember the Saturday statement about something they couldn't talk about?

Ah yes, the thing they keep in the wardrobe, or was it under the bed?

I really can't remember.

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[Eyrie]

Hardly surprising that the side which won wants everything made public and the side that lost wants it all kept quiet.

Almost as unsurprising as the outcome of the arbitration, given the weakness of Hearts case.

[Irish_Steve]

I think it's because the first sentence of the judgement says that the SPFL followed their own rules and that they were not at fault. Then there's 62 pages of the panel saying ha ha ha ha ha ha!

[Kato]

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Hardly surprising that the side which won wants everything made public and the side that lost wants it all kept quiet.

Almost as unsurprising as the outcome of the arbitration, given the weakness of Hearts case.

I reckon the flumps at Flump HQ just don't want everyone to see what a flump they've made of themselves.

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[jacomo]

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Hardly surprising that the side which won wants everything made public and the side that lost wants it all kept quiet.

Almost as unsurprising as the outcome of the arbitration, given the weakness of Hearts case.

The irony will be that Jambos thought a legal process would expose SPFL “corruption”, but will actually be much more embarrassing for them.

[007]

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The irony will be that Jambos thought a legal process would expose SPFL “corruption”, but will actually be much more embarrassing for them.

If the Scottish "journalists" were any good at their jobs they'd be putting pressure on Hearts to agree to the details being released, by questioning why they've gone from wanting it all to be conducted in public to now wanting it to be kept under wraps.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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If the Scottish "journalists" were any good at their jobs they'd be putting pressure on Hearts to agree to the details being released, by questioning why they've gone from wanting it all to be conducted in public to now wanting it to be kept under wraps.

I’d imagine Tom English will be all over this one - he’s been looking for the “smoking gun” for months - hearts releasing these papers will give him all the info he needs.

[matty_f]

Imagine if, after so this time, the smoking gun was in Hearts’ hands and the SPFL stitched them up.

What are you hiding, Jambos??

[tomf]

Having listened to Saturday’s Sportsound podcast and the interview with Neil Doncaster I thought he came across very well and answered all the questions informatively and with clarity. For me, the most telling part was when ND was asked by RG about his contingency plan had the arbitration panel ruled against the SPFL; he said there wasn’t one...because he knew they had acted legally and correctly, within the rules of the association and that it was what the members had voted for.

It was clear from what ND said that no one was ever going to find in favour of Hearts and Partick. There was no smoking gun, no coercion, no threats, no shambles, just people trying to steer a path through a crisis as well as they possibly could. Tom English, Hearts and Partick should all hang their heads in shame and apologise for the completely unwarranted attacks on ND and the SPFL.

The other point was his answer to the endless complaint about the lack of a sponsor. ND informed us that he had almost agreed a contract with a sponsor but the pandemic and events overtook them and the sponsor had to back out almost on the eve of the deal being agreed. That is totally understandable under the circumstances as business prospects are completely unpredictable. It is a long way from being a shambles.

I think I can safely say that it is unlikely there will be an apology from TE or Hearts and probably no attempt to calm down the bitterness and bile they have stirred up. I won’t put words in TE’s mouth but I suspect that I know what his answer would be if he was challenged on his absurd accusations over the months. I fear it won’t be to say that he has realised how wrong he has been to malign Scottish football and every other club but the ones he chose to defend. I don’t recall him saying that Hibs should take anyone to court or arbitration for the league placing and the money we lost.

I am personally sick of the Hearts led narrative but I hope that the SFA rule wisely; give them a token fine along with a suspended sentence if at all possible. I think that would be for the best. Just shutting them up for three seasons would be a blessing.

[jacomo]

If anything, it was probably Hearts who cost the SPFL its sponsor.

[Sammy7nil]

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Having listened to Saturday’s Sportsound podcast and the interview with Neil Doncaster I thought he came across very well and answered all the questions informatively and with clarity. For me, the most telling part was when ND was asked by RG about his contingency plan had the arbitration panel ruled against the SPFL; he said there wasn’t one...because he knew they had acted legally and correctly, within the rules of the association and that it was what the members had voted for.

It was clear from what ND said that no one was ever going to find in favour of Hearts and Partick. There was no smoking gun, no coercion, no threats, no shambles, just people trying to steer a path through a crisis as well as they possibly could. Tom English, Hearts and Partick should all hang their heads in shame and apologise for the completely unwarranted attacks on ND and the SPFL.

The other point was his answer to the endless complaint about the lack of a sponsor. ND informed us that he had almost agreed a contract with a sponsor but the pandemic and events overtook them and the sponsor had to back out almost on the eve of the deal being agreed. That is totally understandable under the circumstances as business prospects are completely unpredictable. It is a long way from being a shambles.

I think I can safely say that it is unlikely there will be an apology from TE or Hearts and probably no attempt to calm down the bitterness and bile they have stirred up. I won’t put words in TE’s mouth but I suspect that I know what his answer would be if he was challenged on his absurd accusations over the months. I fear it won’t be to say that he has realised how wrong he has been to malign Scottish football and every other club but the ones he chose to defend. I don’t recall him saying that Hibs should take anyone to court or arbitration for the league placing and the money we lost.

I am personally sick of the Hearts led narrative but I hope that the SFA rule wisely; give them a token fine along with a suspended sentence if at all possible. I think that would be for the best. Just shutting them up for three seasons would be a blessing.

Great post but you missed the Rangers role in this.