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[Bostonhibby]

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Exactly. They really don’t have any decency at all. Very poor behaviour - but not unexpected.

Would have been funny if he'd turned up for work just before the latest messiah was announced.

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[Peevemor]

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Exactly. They really don’t have any decency at all. Very poor behaviour - but not unexpected.

As much as Stendel was a figure of fun for us when he was at Hearts, he comes across very well there and shows a level of dignity that hearts can only dream of.

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[hibsbollah]

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I like this bit: "But we changed the style, improved the points deficit and saw a positive trend. I was convinced we would stay up after the split."

After their draw with Aberdeen they were 5 points adrift. 9 games later they were only 4 points adrift. At that rate they might have caught Hamilton a little more than half way through next season.

Still, Hearts' ultimate treatment of him was unprofessional and disrespectful which is at least consistent of them.

Here’s my take on it, im not sure it’ll be a popular one because it references the last derby, where we were taken apart, let’s be honest. Apparently it was 1-3 but I left before we scored the consolation. Stendel was putting in place an extreme style of football that required a clear out of traditional Berra types. To do that in less than 20 games is impossible, Klopp did similar with the high octane press and it took him ages. In that derby I saw a scary performance from them if I’m honest, and I didn’t think we were that bad, we just weren’t given a sniff. Their passing ball retention and fitness were very good. They also put the hun to the sword (twice I think?) and although that press wasn’t working against the 8 men behind the ball teams, hence their run of defeats, I think that would have come with time. I think he has a load of potential as a manager and as a Hibs fan I’m pretty happy they have Neilson back again instead.

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Here’s my take on it, im not sure it’ll be a popular one because it references the last derby, where we were taken apart, let’s be honest. Apparently it was 1-3 but I left before we scored the consolation. Stendel was putting in place an extreme style of football that required a clear out of traditional Berra types. To do that in less than 20 games is impossible, Klopp did similar with the high octane press and it took him ages. In that derby I saw a scary performance from them if I’m honest, and I didn’t think we were that bad, we just weren’t given a sniff. Their passing ball retention and fitness were very good. They also put the hun to the sword (twice I think?) and although that press wasn’t working against the 8 men behind the ball teams, hence their run of defeats, I think that would have come with time. I think he has a load of potential as a manager and as a Hibs fan I’m pretty happy they have Neilson back again instead.

Then they went and got pumped of St Mirren, 2nd bottom St Mirren.

For what it's worth i reckon he woukd have got them playing very good football in the championship and they would come back stronger.

[neil7908]

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As much as Stendel was a figure of fun for us when he was at Hearts, he comes across very well there and shows a level of dignity that hearts can only dream of.

Yup. His record was pretty brutal but he came into an absolute basketcase of a club, who have then preceded to treat him with the levels of respect and professionalism we've come to expect from them.

How in the hell has Budge managed to make any money in her professional career? Given the last couple of years at Hearts I wouldn't trust her to organise a p**s up in a brewery.

[mal]

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Here’s my take on it, im not sure it’ll be a popular one because it references the last derby, where we were taken apart, let’s be honest. Apparently it was 1-3 but I left before we scored the consolation. Stendel was putting in place an extreme style of football that required a clear out of traditional Berra types. To do that in less than 20 games is impossible, Klopp did similar with the high octane press and it took him ages. In that derby I saw a scary performance from them if I’m honest, and I didn’t think we were that bad, we just weren’t given a sniff. Their passing ball retention and fitness were very good. They also put the hun to the sword (twice I think?) and although that press wasn’t working against the 8 men behind the ball teams, hence their run of defeats, I think that would have come with time. I think he has a load of potential as a manager and as a Hibs fan I’m pretty happy they have Neilson back again instead.

They didn't have much time, they had 8 games. And they'd just played miserably against St Mirren and Hamilton. Stendel also had something like 1 win in 12 at Barnsley. I'd have been delighted if Hearts had kept him.

I only saw the derby on the telly and I gave up after their second goal. I thought our performance was truly appalling and much more down to us than them.

[jacomo]

So, Stendel wanted to come back but found out about Neilson’s return via the media?

Would Mowgli be good enough to return and explain his ludicrous propaganda post on here?

[neil7908]

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Here’s my take on it, im not sure it’ll be a popular one because it references the last derby, where we were taken apart, let’s be honest. Apparently it was 1-3 but I left before we scored the consolation. Stendel was putting in place an extreme style of football that required a clear out of traditional Berra types. To do that in less than 20 games is impossible, Klopp did similar with the high octane press and it took him ages. In that derby I saw a scary performance from them if I’m honest, and I didn’t think we were that bad, we just weren’t given a sniff. Their passing ball retention and fitness were very good. They also put the hun to the sword (twice I think?) and although that press wasn’t working against the 8 men behind the ball teams, hence their run of defeats, I think that would have come with time. I think he has a load of potential as a manager and as a Hibs fan I’m pretty happy they have Neilson back again instead.

I think the problem with that kind of style is 1) you need to find the right players and they are hard to come by in the market Hearts are shopping in. Its not just the fitness side, they need to be tactically smart, have good passing ability throughout the team and be adaptable. Finding a team of those players on an SPL budget is near impossible. If you do get players good enough they'll get bought by a bigger team immediately.

2) It's easy to get players motivated and running in the big games against Hibs and Sevco but as you've alluded to, how does that style work in run of the mill games against St Mirren, Hamilton etc? The manager/players didn't have the ability to change their game and I'm not convinced that would have changed with more time.

I agree that the derby performance was impressive but his record in general at Hearts and the other clubs he's managed is poor to terrible. There is a reason very few clubs out with the elite can play high press effectively.

[JohnMcM]

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Here’s my take on it, im not sure it’ll be a popular one because it references the last derby, where we were taken apart, let’s be honest. Apparently it was 1-3 but I left before we scored the consolation. Stendel was putting in place an extreme style of football that required a clear out of traditional Berra types. To do that in less than 20 games is impossible, Klopp did similar with the high octane press and it took him ages. In that derby I saw a scary performance from them if I’m honest, and I didn’t think we were that bad, we just weren’t given a sniff. Their passing ball retention and fitness were very good. They also put the hun to the sword (twice I think?) and although that press wasn’t working against the 8 men behind the ball teams, hence their run of defeats, I think that would have come with time. I think he has a load of potential as a manager and as a Hibs fan I’m pretty happy they have Neilson back again instead.

I remember my initial response to that Derby defeat was anger towards our team for playing very badly. That anger probably came from disappointment, frustration and a couple of beers.

The days after though were a different matter as I watched the replays/highlights, and like you I accepted they had outplayed us in some areas, especially the quick use of the ball going forward.

[bawheid]

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Here’s my take on it, im not sure it’ll be a popular one because it references the last derby, where we were taken apart, let’s be honest. Apparently it was 1-3 but I left before we scored the consolation. Stendel was putting in place an extreme style of football that required a clear out of traditional Berra types. To do that in less than 20 games is impossible, Klopp did similar with the high octane press and it took him ages. In that derby I saw a scary performance from them if I’m honest, and I didn’t think we were that bad, we just weren’t given a sniff. Their passing ball retention and fitness were very good. They also put the hun to the sword (twice I think?) and although that press wasn’t working against the 8 men behind the ball teams, hence their run of defeats, I think that would have come with time. I think he has a load of potential as a manager and as a Hibs fan I’m pretty happy they have Neilson back again instead.

Indeed. We can say it out loud now, but I’m quite happy they’ve ended the experiment with Stendel and gone back to “the Hearts way” with Neilson.

[Jones28]

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They didn't have much time, they had 8 games. And they'd just played miserably against St Mirren and Hamilton. Stendel also had something like 1 win in 12 at Barnsley. I'd have been delighted if Hearts had kept him.

I only saw the derby on the telly and I gave up after their second goal. I thought our performance was truly appalling and much more down to us than them.

I would argue it was a bit of both. To a man we were awful, but Hearts pressing was terrific and they showed the qualities that gets you out of bottom of the league scraps. They just couldn’t do it against other teams. Typical really. I was convinced we’d batter them that night.

[Spike Mandela]

Stendel was getting Hearts relegated and would have been sacked.

Stendel got Hearts relegated and he has been sacked.

Horrific appointment. Wrong man at wrong time. Hearts were managerless before us. They dithered over Jack Ross who was the obvious appointment. All the revisionism in the world doesn’t change the fact Budge has made a right pig’s ear of footballing matters at our rivals.

[Keith_M]

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I would argue it was a bit of both. To a man we were awful, but Hearts pressing was terrific and they showed the qualities that gets you out of bottom of the league scraps. They just couldn’t do it against other teams. Typical really. I was convinced we’d batter them that night.

Hibs consistently showed that they struggle against any team that puts them under pressure, under both Hecky and Ross. That was obvious from when we were obliterated 6-1 at Ibrox.

Hibs had some really good games after Hecky left, St Johnstone and Aberdeen being good examples, but neither of those teams pressed Hibs properly on the day.

Stendal obviously identified that and played the right tactics.

That's something that really needs to be sorted out for next season.

[brog]

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Here’s my take on it, im not sure it’ll be a popular one because it references the last derby, where we were taken apart, let’s be honest. Apparently it was 1-3 but I left before we scored the consolation. Stendel was putting in place an extreme style of football that required a clear out of traditional Berra types. To do that in less than 20 games is impossible, Klopp did similar with the high octane press and it took him ages. In that derby I saw a scary performance from them if I’m honest, and I didn’t think we were that bad, we just weren’t given a sniff. Their passing ball retention and fitness were very good. They also put the hun to the sword (twice I think?) and although that press wasn’t working against the 8 men behind the ball teams, hence their run of defeats, I think that would have come with time. I think he has a load of potential as a manager and as a Hibs fan I’m pretty happy they have Neilson back again instead.

I agree this 100%. IMO he had 2 major hurdles to overcome; 1. Years of hoofball from Hearts, totally part of their DNA. You mention Berra, I said before he was punted that he was a total liability to our lowly neighbours. Stendel saw that immediately & acted. 2. The tiny Tynie pitch! That helps with the high press but it really hinders if you try to play expansive football. I know their away record is shocking but 50% of their wins, unfortunately, came at our place. ER is a full penalty area plus, bigger than Tiny.
I'm delighted he's gone & caveman has returned. Chocks away!

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I'm finding it mental that they are feeling penalised if they have paid compensation for Neilson? There was something triggered in his contract so I'm assuming financial recompense was part of that

[IanM]

Did Stendel have a relegation clause in his contract? And if so have hearts used it?

Find it bizarre that they can use a clause to release the manager but are taking clubs to court over the same denial of relegation

May have missed something mind

[theonlywayisup]

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Stendel was getting Hearts relegated and would have been sacked.

Stendel got Hearts relegated and he has been sacked.

Horrific appointment. Wrong man at wrong time. Hearts were managerless before us. They dithered over Jack Ross who was the obvious appointment. All the revisionism in the world doesn’t change the fact Budge has made a right pig’s ear of footballing matters at our rivals.

Over the years, the Hertz fans have had some rubbish to watch. Yes, they may have got results, like they often do in the 'bigger' games, but it's been a grim watch, so I'm told.

Stendel comes in and changes the way they played. The high press, less use of the long ball etc. Over time, he could have been a good manager for them. So I would not say "horrific appointment", just "right man, but at the wrong time".

I do agree, another Budge cock-up though in the way it was handled.

[mal]

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Over the years, the Hertz fans have had some rubbish to watch. Yes, they may have got results, like they often do in the 'bigger' games, but it's been a grim watch, so I'm told.

Stendel comes in and changes the way they played. The high press, less use of the long ball etc. Over time, he could have been a good manager for them. So I would not say "horrific appointment", just "right man, but at the wrong time".

I do agree, another Budge cock-up though in the way it was handled.

He was brought in to get them away from the relegation zone. They were 3rd bottom on goal difference when he joined and were 4 points adrift when the season was brought to an end.

In two games against Hamilton they took 1 point, same with St Johnstone, same with St Mirren. They were the other three teams in the bottom 4 when he joined. If that's not horrific I don't know what is.

That's on top of his league record at Barnsley: W1 D3 L7 - 6 points out of a possible 33.

[jacomo]

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Over the years, the Hertz fans have had some rubbish to watch. Yes, they may have got results, like they often do in the 'bigger' games, but it's been a grim watch, so I'm told.

Stendel comes in and changes the way they played. The high press, less use of the long ball etc. Over time, he could have been a good manager for them. So I would not say "horrific appointment", just "right man, but at the wrong time".

I do agree, another Budge cock-up though in the way it was handled.

Yes but his first priority was getting them away from the relegation zone. If a manager wants to change the style of play mid-season, they’ve got to buy themselves time with results.

Also his man management seemed woeful. Hughes and Berra may have been past it but alienating them so publicly was very dumb.

[Bronson]

I see the french courts have re-relegated Amiens and Toulouse after Ligue 1 clubs voted against reconstruction.

Makes the jambos already flimsy case even weaker. Will get laughed out of court.

[Coco Bryce]

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I see the french courts have re-relegated Amiens and Toulouse after Ligue 1 clubs voted against reconstruction.

Makes the jambos already flimsy case even weaker. Will get laughed out of court.

Just read that on Twitter. The jambos now saying French league is nothing to do with Scotland blah blah blah 😂😂

[weecounty hibby]

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Just read that on Twitter. The jambos now saying French league is nothing to do with Scotland blah blah blah 😂😂

But I had a Jambo knobheid tell me on Twitter that it was exactly the same. Hmmm I may try to track him down

[Joe6-2]

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Would have been funny if he'd turned up for work just before the latest messiah was announced.

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Businessy type owner. 😂😂😂😂😂

[Stuart93]

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Just read that on Twitter. The jambos now saying French league is nothing to do with Scotland blah blah blah 😂😂

It’s crazy how much the supposed in the know Jambos have got wrong about this.

As I’ve already said before when something gets proven to be bollocks they start peddling something else

[nonshinyfinish]

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Just read that on Twitter. The jambos now saying French league is nothing to do with Scotland blah blah blah 😂😂

That was true when it looked like it might go the other way and it's true now.

A different league with different regulations ended their season in a different way and a different court system ruled on it.

[Since452]

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Just read that on Twitter. The jambos now saying French league is nothing to do with Scotland blah blah blah 😂😂

Wish they'd make their mind up

[Since452]

A part of me feels sorry for Stendel. Another part remembers that he had no idea who Hearts were anyway, did a grand job of relegating them and is probably on the sesh right now. Whole thing was probably a blur.

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It’s crazy how much the supposed in the know Jambos have got wrong about this.

As I’ve already said before when something gets proven to be bollocks they start peddling something else

They're just setting themselves up for a bigger fall when it goes pear shaped.

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