The generic Hearts thread

[matty_f]

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Now that would be the cherry on the cake. SPFL you know it's the right thing to do, its UEFA guidance after all

I honestly would be laughing at this all through next season.

[JohnMcM]

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I see UEFA are advising European leagues that they have the option to remove promotion and relegation next season, as many leagues will be operating a reduced number of fixtures and finances for clubs in smaller leagues are likely to be challenging.

This would have the benefit of removing the financial risk of relegation to clubs in all divisions and allow leagues to get started this coming season.

This should be considered as an option in Scotland particularly given the mess the last few weeks has been (mainly due to Hearts) - simply ban promotion and relegation next season and allow everyone time to recover their finances within the league they are currently in. Would be particularly popular with most championship clubs given the reduction to 27 games next season. Would also be popular among Premiership clubs I'd imagine.

On hands and knees praying for this to happen. Only for stability you know��

Edit: By the way I'm sure Tom English would support this as it helps clubs to recover financially.��

[weecounty hibby]

Doncaster is a very fast worker. He is only just in the door and he is booting the Jambos in the spuds already! I like his style. How ****ing hilarious would that be. Relegated, humiliated, laughed out of court, kept down for another year, keep on begging for cash, go tits up. Ah now that would be the icing on the cake

[Since452]

I said Karma wasn't finished with Heart of Midlothian yet

[jacomo]

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This is from the "other side" they are completely delusional. Someone needs to point out to them that they are in the championship !

There's Zero chance that they will kick us out of the league. The first thing that would happen is that Sky would tell them that the contract is torn-up, due to a material change, and here's our new offer. The Hearts games against the Arse cheeks and H1b5, at Tynecastle especially with it's atmosphere, are worth a lot of money.

Wonder when this guy will realise he’s got no Old Firm games or derbies to look forward to next season?

[jacomo]

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On hands and knees praying for this to happen. Only for stability you know��

Edit: By the way I'm sure Tom English would support this as it helps clubs to recover financially.��

It would require clubs putting self-interest aside and working together for the good of the game but - barring a few exceptions - I can see them doing that. Mr English will be delighted.

[Greenworld]

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What do you think Hibs would have done had we been in their position?

We would have gone down without a peep and got on with it

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I see UEFA are advising European leagues that they have the option to remove promotion and relegation next season, as many leagues will be operating a reduced number of fixtures and finances for clubs in smaller leagues are likely to be challenging.

This would have the benefit of removing the financial risk of relegation to clubs in all divisions and allow leagues to get started this coming season.

This should be considered as an option in Scotland particularly given the mess the last few weeks has been (mainly due to Hearts) - simply ban promotion and relegation next season and allow everyone time to recover their finances within the league they are currently in. Would be particularly popular with most championship clubs given the reduction to 27 games next season. Would also be popular among Premiership clubs I'd imagine.

Funny as it would be I don't actually agree with it. Promotion and relegation is all part of the game. Plus it would create a huge number of meaningless matches.

If it has to go to a vote then I could see it going though because of how hated they now are.

Budge no doubt is right now licking her finger and holding it in the air to recalculate their claim and coming up with a new compensation figure of £30m.

[whiskyhibby]

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Wanting to join English set up now 😉

Absolutely.......better off well out of this two donkey race in a madhouse SPFL

[Sudds_1]

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Funny as it would be I don't actually agree with it.

If it has to go to a vote then I could see it going though because of how hated they now are.

Budge no doubt is right now licking her finger and holding it in the air to recalculate their claim and coming up with a new compensation figure of £30m.

They need at least that amount to finish off the bigliest bestest stand in the world 😇

[Since452]

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If only we knew each other's usernames so we could wind them up in packs lol. Having to lie low as although some agreed with my last post, some have should Hobo mainly because I forgot to say Only Hearts lol

The amount of absolute pish I spout over there that they agree with is mind-blowing

[Onion]

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This is from the "other side" they are completely delusional. Someone needs to point out to them that they are in the championship !

There's Zero chance that they will kick us out of the league. The first thing that would happen is that Sky would tell them that the contract is torn-up, due to a material change, and here's our new offer. The Hearts games against the Arse cheeks and H1b5, at Tynecastle especially with it's atmosphere, are worth a lot of money.

Rangers, Armageddon.... all been said before by much much bigger clubs that wee Hearts. They're deluded.

[Joe6-2]

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Seems fair to put a moratorium on promotions and relegations for 20/21. Gives all of the clubs, Hearts included, time to take stock and reset their squads and finances. Otherwise the Jambos could be looking at back to back relegations.

I’m fully supportive of this proposal.

It’s for the good of Scottish football

[Joe6-2]

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We would have gone down without a peep and got on with it

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And certainly no fighting our corner from Sportsound et al

[flash]

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We would have gone down without a peep and got on with it

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We absolutely 150% wouldnt have.

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[Sammy7nil]

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We absolutely 150% wouldnt have.

Of course we would have argued but I don't think we would be chaining ourselves to the court gate's.

[Dr What If?]

Just my tuppence and no different to what anyone else will have said but by God, its easy to hate Hearts. Being of the Green persuasion they are never going to be a club I would have a soft spot for.....but how many have to suffer neighbours like them? As a kid they tried to buy my club out of existence, they have grovelled at the feet of a criminal and even to this day i wonder how they avoided liquidation when he was found out. Now they wax lyrical about fighting for the good of Scottish football while taking a course of action that could end a number of smaller community clubs. I hate them!
At the very least they deserve to be temporarily suspended while this madness goes on, chucked out the Scottish cup and....should this still be going on when their season starts.....removed from the league completely. If Scottish football doesn't act against this menace we will all suffer long term.

[Green Blood]

Budge's last stand this will be called. She lost their confidence long long ago with her shambolic handling of the Levein situation and the stand re-build. They have a siege mentality so this diverts the attention from her giving her some time. The damage has been done and she will be shunned and forced out of the club, to be followed by some other incompetent overspending fool who will follow the blueprints of both Romanov and Budge causing them severe damage, they may never recover.

Whatever the outcome she is toast, she will not be around much longer. They will turn on her in such a vicious manner it will come as a complete surprise.

[mjhibby]

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I see UEFA are advising European leagues that they have the option to remove promotion and relegation next season, as many leagues will be operating a reduced number of fixtures and finances for clubs in smaller leagues are likely to be challenging.

This would have the benefit of removing the financial risk of relegation to clubs in all divisions and allow leagues to get started this coming season.

This should be considered as an option in Scotland particularly given the mess the last few weeks has been (mainly due to Hearts) - simply ban promotion and relegation next season and allow everyone time to recover their finances within the league they are currently in. Would be particularly popular with most championship clubs given the reduction to 27 games next season. Would also be popular among Premiership clubs I'd imagine.

They are so demented on sickbag they don’t realise that it’s a UEFA recommendation and thinks it’s from the SPFL. Their fall from grace is going to be bloody marvellous to behold. Utter halfwits. I hope that some sensible jambos see the light before it’s too late but who will be brave enough to take on the mob. This is going to turn out better than I could possibly have imagined. I hope the sfa let them take it to court then the full weight of the Scottish football constitution will kick in then its which punishment is meted out. As Brucie would have said higher or lower. Put out the leagues or just the cups. It’s bloody hilarious now and a great watch.

[JimBHibees]

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Now that would be the cherry on the cake. SPFL you know it's the right thing to do, its UEFA guidance after all

That would genuinely be hysterical if that happened.

[Kato]

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I see UEFA are advising European leagues that they have the option to remove promotion and relegation next season,

Good thinking, that would work.

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[hibeerealist]

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Of course we would have argued but I don't think we would be chaining ourselves to the court gate's.

Agreed and I don’t think it is the relegation on its own as such (forget all the unfair pash) it must surely be the financial hit so is it Armageddon down in Georgie?

[Ronniekirk]

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It is for next season. I'm very much supportive of that.

But that would be so unfair on Hearts More Wrongs to Right for Budge
You trying to push her over the Edge !!!!


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[theonlywayisup]

Just posted this on the "Legal Challenge" thread, but also relevant to this thread.

Good article by Graham Spiers in the Times - key comments below. It makes pleasing reading!

"This looks to me a classic case of “being seen to be doing something”, a scenario I have found recurring in football over the years, where club owners or principals have fans on their backs, clamouring for action."

"I don't blame Hearts for stance they are taking. But don't preach to others about the incestuous blight of "self interest" in Scottish football when this principle is exactly the one you are now applying yourself".

"I don't like to think of a Scottish top flight minus Hearts but one thing was a racing certainty from the months remaining of this season; the Jam Tarts were going down".

"When Stendel took over at Hearts in December, they were equal bottom beside St Johnstone and Hamilton Accies. Two wins in 14 attempts later, they were rock bottom, four points adrift".

"What was the answer to satisfy all? There wasn't one. It became impossible".

"I fear Hearts will have to take their medicine for poor decision-making, poor investment and a lack of effective governance from the top down (surely he doesn't mean Ann Budge, thought she was a shrewd business leader)".

"......but injustice is not the author of Hearts' fate. On the contrary, the club itself earned its demotion".

"Unfortunately, I think they face a painful season ahead. Once the exemplary story of Scottish football - Hearts, Budge, Craig Levein - this is a dream that has turned extremely sour".

Link below, but subscription required, which I don't have. I've read in the paper version.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...fate-rzjwmvh8l

[FilipinoHibs]

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Just posted this on the "Legal Challenge" thread, but also relevant to this thread.

Good article by Graham Spiers in the Times - key comments below. It makes pleasing reading!

"This looks to me a classic case of “being seen to be doing something”, a scenario I have found recurring in football over the years, where club owners or principals have fans on their backs, clamouring for action."

"I don't blame Hearts for stance they are taking. But don't preach to others about the incestuous blight of "self interest" in Scottish football when this principle is exactly the one you are now applying yourself".

"I don't like to think of a Scottish top flight minus Hearts but one thing was a racing certainty from the months remaining of this season; the Jam Tarts were going down".

"When Stendel took over at Hearts in December, they were equal bottom beside St Johnstone and Hamilton Accies. Two wins in 14 attempts later, they were rock bottom, four points adrift".

"What was the answer to satisfy all? There wasn't one. It became impossible".

"I fear Hearts will have to take their medicine for poor decision-making, poor investment and a lack of effective governance from the top down (surely he doesn't mean Ann Budge, thought she was a shrewd business leader)".

"......but injustice is not the author of Hearts' fate. On the contrary, the club itself earned its demotion".

"Unfortunately, I think they face a painful season ahead. Once the exemplary story of Scottish football - Hearts, Budge, Craig Levein - this is a dream that has turned extremely sour".

Link below, but subscription required, which I don't have. I've read in the paper version.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...fate-rzjwmvh8l

Cracking. Can see why Spiers was removed from BBC Sports programmes.

[Since452]

Budge has monumentally ****ed up. They romped to promotion, finished third in first season back up with FOH money flowing in, sacked their manager when they were second in the league due to fan pressure after losing to Hibs in the cup again. Appointed Cathro, appointed Levein after letting him interview candidates before deciding he was the best choice. Signed basically a new squad of dross three seasons running. Forgot to order seats for the new stand. *****ed 20 million on the stand which looks a monstrosity and nothing like it's plans and is still not finished. Appointed Stendel when they were level on points at the bottom through fan pressure. He then went on to win three league games in 19 ending up 4 points adrift at the bottom, publicly humiliated their loyal captain Berra, dissspaered to Germany during the hectic Christmas period, came back and lost to Hibs at home. Threatened everyone with legal action during vote to end season then voted to end it herself. Preached about self interest of others while showing nothing but self interest. Made a hash of reconstruction talks and is doing the same with her legal case.

She has had a nightmare.

[G B Young]

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https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budges-early-move-make-wage-cuts-put-hearts-ahead-game-2889955

“I have actually had a couple of other clubs speak to me and say ‘yeah, you made the hard decisions to start with, Ann, and maybe we should have done the same’.

Really Ann? Which clubs? If the rest aren't talking to you I'm guessing it's Partick and Stranraer?

Or did you just make that up? It reminds me of that interview with Tom English she did where she claimed another club had been given a grant but 'couldn't remember which one'. Doncaster later set her right ie it never happened.

Why don't journalists actually call her out on this sort of guff? eg Why didn't Moira Gordon ask which clubs have allegedly told her she was right? And why didn't Tom English question her vague recollection rather than just presenting her answer as fact?

[matty_f]

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Has this already been commented on?

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budges-early-move-make-wage-cuts-put-hearts-ahead-game-2889955

“I have actually had a couple of other clubs speak to me and say ‘yeah, you made the hard decisions to start with, Ann, and maybe we should have done the same’.

Really Ann? Which clubs? If the rest aren't talking to you I'm guessing it's Partick and Stranraer?

Or did you just make that up? It reminds me of that interview with Tom English she did where she claimed another club had been given a grant but 'couldn't remember which one'. Doncaster later set her right ie it never happened.

Why don't journalists actually call her out on this sort of guff? eg Why didn't Moira Gordon ask which clubs have allegedly told her she was right? And why didn't Tom English question her vague recollection rather than just presenting her answer as fact?

I mentioned this on Twitter. It wasn’t the cuts she was criticised for, it was how she went about it.

[007]

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Has this already been commented on?

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budges-early-move-make-wage-cuts-put-hearts-ahead-game-2889955

“I have actually had a couple of other clubs speak to me and say ‘yeah, you made the hard decisions to start with, Ann, and maybe we should have done the same’.

Really Ann? Which clubs? If the rest aren't talking to you I'm guessing it's Partick and Stranraer?

Or did you just make that up? It reminds me of that interview with Tom English she did where she claimed another club had been given a grant but 'couldn't remember which one'. Doncaster later set her right ie it never happened.

Why don't journalists actually call her out on this sort of guff? eg Why didn't Moira Gordon ask which clubs have allegedly told her she was right? And why didn't Tom English question her vague recollection rather than just presenting her answer as fact?

Budge never got her 50% cuts. The players rebelled and all she got was up to 30% which were the relegation clauses so all she actually achieved was to implement them a month early saving about 60k/80k. This story has just been the usual Hearts BS narrative, the articles about it make out that it was out of the kindness of Budge's that she didn't take the full 50%

https://www.theedinburghreporter.co....n-30-wage-cut/