Coronavirus

[SideBurns]

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No coronavirus deaths recorded in the last 24 hours in Spain which is the first time since March.

They're a bit ahead of us in lifting restrictions too, so hopefully they've turned a corner.

[Moulin Yarns]

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No coronavirus deaths recorded in the last 24 hours in Spain which is the first time since March.

Spain is not letting UK tourists in until the number of new cases is a lot lower.

[Sir David Gray]

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Spain is not letting UK tourists in until the number of new cases is a lot lower.

I don't think many countries are accepting anyone in from the UK at the moment.

[Sir David Gray]

Daily Scottish update;

53 new cases since yesterday but includes 40 older cases
Increase of 122 in hospital but a decrease of 23 in the confirmed cases
Increase of 7 in intensive care - all 7 patients are suspected of having the virus at this point
3721 have left hospital since 5th March
12 deaths registered since yesterday

[RyeSloan]

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Daily Scottish update;

53 new cases since yesterday but includes 40 older cases
Increase of 122 in hospital but a decrease of 23 in the confirmed cases
Increase of 7 in intensive care - all 7 patients are suspected of having the virus at this point
3721 have left hospital since 5th March
12 deaths registered since yesterday

Steady as it goes I suppose and good news on the new infections front.

I’m still at a loss as to how someone can end up in ICU without the virus being confirmed or not though!

[calumhibee1]

Is it just me who reads the figures SDG puts up every day and thinks they’re clear as mud?

Not a go at you btw SDG, it’s the same when I see them anywhere else

[danhibees1875]

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Is it just me who reads the figures SDG puts up every day and thinks they’re clear as mud?

Not a go at you btw SDG, it’s the same when I see them anywhere else

I'm guilty of just reading the bottom line and scanning the other numbers, but looking again at them they're not the easiest to follow with the extra detail. That could be my faults as much as anything though!


That was also not a dig at SDG, infact I sometimes deliberately check this thread at 12:30 to get SDG's summary. So thank you to him for that.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Is it just me who reads the figures SDG puts up every day and thinks they’re clear as mud?

Not a go at you btw SDG, it’s the same when I see them anywhere else

I generally use this:

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...arts-and-maps/

The 7 day rolling averages on the new cases/day and new deaths/day are better for tracking purposes and they fill in the death registration data from NRS every Wednesday.

[JimBHibees]

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Steady as it goes I suppose and good news on the new infections front.

I’m still at a loss as to how someone can end up in ICU without the virus being confirmed or not though!

Too ill to be tested? Don't really know just a guess

[Sir David Gray]

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Is it just me who reads the figures SDG puts up every day and thinks they’re clear as mud?

Not a go at you btw SDG, it’s the same when I see them anywhere else

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I'm guilty of just reading the bottom line and scanning the other numbers, but looking again at them they're not the easiest to follow with the extra detail. That could be my faults as much as anything though!


That was also not a dig at SDG, infact I sometimes deliberately check this thread at 12:30 to get SDG's summary. So thank you to him for that.

Cheers guys.

Basically today's figures in a bit more detail are;

There's been 53 cases of confirmed Covid-19 added to yesterday's total, however 40 of those cases are historical cases that weren't added at the time for some reason i.e. there's been 13 people tested positive in the last 24 hours.

Over the past few weeks, instead of only recording hospital admissions of those who have tested positive, they also have started to record people entering hospital with suspected cases of Covid-19 due to their symptoms but no formal test has yet taken place. There's an overall number read out each day (this is what's increased by 122 since yesterday) but purely for those people confirmed through a test as having the virus, this number has gone down by 23 since yesterday. The people suspected of having Covid-19 in hospital has increased by 145. 145 minus 23 is how you get to 122.

The intensive care figure always includes both confirmed and suspected cases of the virus. There are 7 more people in intensive care than yesterday but all 7 of those patients are only suspected cases based on their symptoms. Presumably they'll be tested soon and if they come back negative, they'll be taken out of that count even if they remain in intensive care.

Hopefully the death numbers are straightforward enough, I think if that becomes complicated to report then I might give up!

[lapsedhibee]

Westminster Parly doing their IKEA-lite voting just now. As if regular Westminster voting wasn't enough of a farce ...

[SideBurns]

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Cheers guys.

Basically today's figures in a bit more detail are;

There's been 53 cases of confirmed Covid-19 added to yesterday's total, however 40 of those cases are historical cases that weren't added at the time for some reason i.e. there's been 13 people tested positive in the last 24 hours.

Over the past few weeks, instead of only recording hospital admissions of those who have tested positive, they also have started to record people entering hospital with suspected cases of Covid-19 due to their symptoms but no formal test has yet taken place. There's an overall number read out each day (this is what's increased by 122 since yesterday) but purely for those people confirmed through a test as having the virus, this number has gone down by 23 since yesterday. The people suspected of having Covid-19 in hospital has increased by 145. 145 minus 23 is how you get to 122.

The intensive care figure always includes both confirmed and suspected cases of the virus. There are 7 more people in intensive care than yesterday but all 7 of those patients are only suspected cases based on their symptoms. Presumably they'll be tested soon and if they come back negative, they'll be taken out of that count even if they remain in intensive care.

Hopefully the death numbers are straightforward enough, I think if that becomes complicated to report then I might give up!

No, you can't give up SDG. I usually manage to catch the FM reading out the daily figures at 12.30 too, but then I come on here to check your post to make sure I've got them right 😁

[lapsedhibee]

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There's been 53 cases of confirmed Covid-19 added to yesterday's total, however 40 of those cases are historical cases that weren't added at the time for some reason i.e. there's been 13 people tested positive in the last 24 hours

Won't there likely have been more than 13 people tested positive in the last 24 hours, and the surplus will be added at a later date/s, just like the 40 mentioned?

[Bristolhibby]

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Steady as it goes I suppose and good news on the new infections front.

I’m still at a loss as to how someone can end up in ICU without the virus being confirmed or not though!

Duff tests. I know of two cases.

My sister in law (a nurse) felled by COVID for over a week. Went to go back to work and the doctor administering the test told her they were 70% effective.

My brothers boss had two tests come back negative but they admitted him to hospital as COVID on the strength of his symptoms and chest x-rays. Doctors diagnosis trumped two shoddy tests.

J

[Sir David Gray]

I thought it might be helpful to put month on month figures together for each category since this all started in March - the March figure will be the earliest that each figure was publicly available and then I'll give the data for the 2nd of each month in April, May and June.

Number of confirmed cases;

1st March - 1 case
2nd April - 2602 cases
2nd May - 11927 cases
2nd June - 15471 cases

Obviously this figure isn't one that can decrease but you can see a definite slowing down in the numbers over the last month in comparison with the same period between 2nd April and 2nd May.

Number of people in hospital with confirmed Covid-19;

26th March - 311
2nd April - 910
2nd May - 1277
2nd June - 712

That number speaks for itself and is the lowest it's been since the very end of March.

Number of people in hospital with suspected Covid-19;

26th March - 179
2nd April - 367
2nd May - 397
2nd June - 456

This number is obviously quite high today but does fluctuate and obviously not everyone in this category will necessarily have Covid-19.

Number of people in intensive care with either confirmed or suspected Covid-19;

18th March - 6
2nd April - 162
2nd May - 108
2nd June - 34

Again the figures speak for themselves, the numbers in intensive care are going down massively.

Number of deaths registered;

13th March - 1
2nd April - 126
2nd May - 1559
2nd June - 2375

Again just like the number of cases, this is unfortunately not a number that can decrease but the rate is hugely decreased over the past month, in comparison with the increase between April and May.

[Sir David Gray]

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Won't there likely have been more than 13 people tested positive in the last 24 hours, and the surplus will be added at a later date/s, just like the 40 mentioned?

Yes I suppose that's quite possible. There's basically been 13 declared positive tests included in today's update.

[Callum_62]

not sure its the right thread but cananyone explain why MPs need to be physically present in Westminster to vote?

Seems counter intuitive

[lapsedhibee]

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not sure its the right thread but cananyone explain why MPs need to be physically present in Westminster to vote?

Seems counter intuitive

It's the first step towards re-establishing the wall of sound behind Johnson in the hope that that will prevent people noticing how thick he is when Starmer asks him things.

[Bristolhibby]

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not sure its the right thread but cananyone explain why MPs need to be physically present in Westminster to vote?

Seems counter intuitive

They don’t, it’s just Lord Snooty making them to “set an example”.

I work for a Central Government Department and we are being told to work from home. As we can and have been, that’s what we will continue to do.

Don’t see why MPs need to be any different. They have proved that they can work and vote from home.

J

[Colr]

Has this year’s orange parade been cancelled?

[PaulSmith]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-wave-coming/

Doubtful you’ll read this in the Guardian or retweeted by Piers Morgan.

[Sir David Gray]

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Has this year’s orange parade been cancelled?

The parade in Northern Ireland was cancelled at the start of April.

[greenlex]

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If I'm now allowed to drive to a park for recreational purposes, why are the car parks at these destinations still closed?




We heard that the Garden Centre at Rouken Glen Park (a 20 minute drive from our house) was open, so we went there for a visit and found that half of the car park was closed, but other half open for the Garden Centre.


So most of the car Park was taken up by people visiting the Park


How stupid is that!

I noticed the car park on the Lang Wang at the cauldstane slap was open when I passed today. Not sure that was the case at the weekend.

[CapitalGreen]

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-wave-coming/

Doubtful you’ll read this in the Guardian or retweeted by Piers Morgan.

It’s behind a paywall, what does it say?

[lapsedhibee]

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It’s behind a paywall, what does it say?

Concludes that if China and New Zealand are trying to eradicate the coronavirus completely, we should too. People who believe in a second wave are "defeatists", because some viruses, eg SARS, unlike the 1918 flu, do not exhibit second waves.

[PaulSmith]

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It’s behind a paywall, what does it say?

Sorry I can’t copy and paste.

It is written by Professor Hugh Pennington so it certainly has credibility or at least provides balance.



Thomas Hugh Pennington, CBE, FRCPath, FRCP (Edin), FMedSci, FRSE (born 19 April 1938 in Edgware, Middlesex) is emeritus professor of bacteriology at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland.[1] Outside academia, he is best known as the chair of the Pennington Group enquiry into the Scottish Escherichia coli outbreak of 1996[2] and as Chairman of the Public Inquiry into the 2005 Outbreak of E. coli O157 in South Wales.

[CapitalGreen]

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Sorry I can’t copy and paste.

It is written by Professor Hugh Pennington so it certainly has credibility or at least provides balance.



Thomas Hugh Pennington, CBE, FRCPath, FRCP (Edin), FMedSci, FRSE (born 19 April 1938 in Edgware, Middlesex) is emeritus professor of bacteriology at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland.[1] Outside academia, he is best known as the chair of the Pennington Group enquiry into the Scottish Escherichia coli outbreak of 1996[2] and as Chairman of the Public Inquiry into the 2005 Outbreak of E. coli O157 in South Wales.

Presumably you have read the full article though so could provide a brief summary for those of us without access?

[CapitalGreen]

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Concludes that if China and New Zealand are trying to eradicate the coronavirus completely, we should too. People who believe in a second wave are "defeatists", because some viruses, eg SARS, unlike the 1918 flu, do not exhibit second waves.

Certainly don’t disagree with the goal of eradicating the virus but to do so would probably require harsher lockdown restrictions in place for longer to get the numbers down. China and New Zealand certainly had tighter restrictions than us which has helped them seemingly come close to eradicating it.

[lapsedhibee]

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Certainly don’t disagree with the goal of eradicating the virus but to do so would probably require harsher lockdown restrictions in place for longer to get the numbers down. China and New Zealand certainly had tighter restrictions than us which has helped them seemingly come close to eradicating it.

Pennington's certainly not arguing for greater locking down. I think his main point is that the assumption that there definitely will be a widespread second wave, or second peak, is highly questionable. Bit of a straw man involved I think, as neither the Scottish or UK governments seem to be assuming that there will be a second wave. Perhaps some of his fellow scientists are?

[CapitalGreen]

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Pennington's certainly not arguing for greater locking down. I think his main point is that the assumption that there definitely will be a widespread second wave, or second peak, is highly questionable. Bit of a straw man involved I think, as neither the Scottish or UK governments seem to be assuming that there will be a second wave. Perhaps some of his fellow scientists are?

I’m not sure what officially classifies a second wave but it certainly looks to be occurring in Iran. Hopefully our British exceptionalism will help prevent one here but then again it didn’t help us much in the first wave.