Coronavirus

[Sir David Gray]

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What were you expecting....

Phase 3 to begin on 10th December

Phase 4 to begin on 11th March 2021

I thought that was very very clear Roadmap and message from Sturgeon, given the circumstances. Thank the lord we have the devolved powers so as to not have to listen to the utter cretins in Westminster.

Why not? She's understandably said that the phases weren't set in stone so why not put some kind of timescale on them?

[BroxburnHibee]

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No dates for phrases 3 or 4?

No end date or return to normal.

She specifically stated at the start there was no set dates for further stages.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Keep repeating it and it will become a factoid....of course the Government had powers

So you are saying the Scottish Government were lying when they stated they don't have the power to ban mass gatherings?

Here a quote from the Observer on the same day:

"The*new government guidelines*define a mass gathering as “any event with more than 500 attendees”, and say that while the government does not have the power to cancel events, it expects “organisations and bodies in Scotland to operate responsibly in this unprecedented situation, and to take appropriate action in response to this advice.”

The Daily Record 15th of March:

"The Scottish government does not currently have powers to cancel events, but is encouraging and advising organisers to act responsibly to support the efforts of emergency services and the wider public sector to prepare for increased numbers of cases of coronovirus."

Maybe you're a Sun reader:

The Scottish Government said that they do not have the powers to cancel events but has pleaded with promoters to "act responsibly".

There's 3 possibilities:

1. The Scottish Government were lying and the whole British media failed to pick up on it.

2. The Media all got it wrong but you're right.

3. You're wrong.

[PaulSmith]

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What were you expecting....

Phase 3 to begin on 10th December

Phase 4 to begin on 11th March 2021

I thought that was very very clear Roadmap and message from Sturgeon, given the circumstances. Thank the lord we have the devolved powers so as to not have to listen to the utter cretins in Westminster.

Something like Ireland and most of the other countries in Europe have published.

[Callum_62]

Ah, exactly how I expected here to be



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[jonty]

Strikes me as odd but the ice-cream van is out and about.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm not too bothered about dates as such. Italy set dates and then made good progress so amended dates forward, likewise Spain eased at different rates around the country and some places had stricter controls after others partially reopened.

It reads and sounds fairly positive and it appears it will be reviewed on an ongoing basis so if we continue to make progress as we have done in getting the numbers down then we probably aren't that far away from seeing real noticeable changes.

[PaulSmith]

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Ah, exactly how I expected here to be



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And you didn’t disappoint either ;)

[Lee Marvin]

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Why not? She's understandably said that the phases weren't set in stone so why not put some kind of timescale on them?

Phase 3 and 4 are going to be many many months away and therefore putting a date on them would be bordering on impossible.

[Ozyhibby]

Watching her statement, we are very lucky that it is her in charge in Scotland rather than Jackson Carlaw, Richard Leonard or the other guy.
Carlaw fumbling about for a question is actually quite funny.


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[B.H.F.C]

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Something like Ireland and most of the other countries in Europe have published.

The criteria for moving phases is much more important than putting a date against it. She says that will be published so will be interesting to see.

[Berwickhibby]

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So you are saying the Scottish Government were lying when they stated they don't have the power to ban mass gatherings?

Here a quote from the Observer on the same day:

"The*new government guidelines*define a mass gathering as “any event with more than 500 attendees”, and say that while the government does not have the power to cancel events, it expects “organisations and bodies in Scotland to operate responsibly in this unprecedented situation, and to take appropriate action in response to this advice.”

The Daily Record 15th of March:

"The Scottish government does not currently have powers to cancel events, but is encouraging and advising organisers to act responsibly to support the efforts of emergency services and the wider public sector to prepare for increased numbers of cases of coronovirus."

Maybe you're a Sun reader:

The Scottish Government said that they do not have the powers to cancel events but has pleaded with promoters to "act responsibly".

There's 3 possibilities:

1. The Scottish Government were lying and the whole British media failed to pick up on it.

2. The Media all got it wrong but you're right.

3. You're wrong.

Ok you right ...my experience of working in the public sector within the law, suggests different There is so much law, especially in public health and safety which would have covered it. Just checked Public Health Act 2008 under investigation would cover it....

[Hibrandenburg]

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No dates for phrases 3 or 4?

No end date or return to normal.

No crystal ball to determine when the situation is safe to move to phase 3 or 4.

[DaveF]

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Strikes me as odd but the ice-cream van is out and about.

Get anything 😁

[hibsbollah]

Nicola uses the ‘new normal’ cliche.

Surely now is the time to start making this phrase an actual arrestable offence.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Ok you right ...my experience of working in the public sector within the law, suggests different There is so much law, especially in public health and safety which would have covered it.

Thanks. Very happy to put this to bed now.

[Callum_62]

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And you didn’t disappoint either ;)

Its true though - I couldve said days ago no matter what is published it wont be enough

What exactly would putting a totally arbitrary date on a phase achieve?

Why would that make you this any better?

Surely the reasoning behind the progression to each phase is far more important than the guessed dates of implementation?

I mean England are already rowing back on 1/6 schools - which shows how silly putting a set date in things is

[PaulSmith]

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No crystal ball to determine when the situation is safe to move to phase 3 or 4.

Surely they have a view as to the minimum period of time that they want to measure the different phases?

[lord bunberry]

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Nicola uses the ‘new normal’ cliche.

Surely now is the time to start making this phrase an actual arrestable offence.

I’ll second that.

[jonty]

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Get anything 😁

We've been asked not to leave the house for anything but essential. So no

Im alternating between 'wtf' and 'it might be a grey area'
People shouldnt be leaving the house except for essentials and excercise, so it hardly allows for that.

Hopefully now people can see theres a roadmap they'll be less inclined to flaunt the rules.



could murder a tub of icecream with raspberry topping and a flake though.

[lapsedhibee]

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We've been asked not to leave the house for anything but essential. So no

Im alternating between 'wtf' and 'it might be a grey area'
People shouldnt be leaving the house except for essentials and excercise, so it hardly allows for that.

Hopefully now people can see theres a roadmap they'll be less inclined to flaunt the rules.



could murder a tub of icecream with raspberry topping and a flake though.

Cycle to the van, really hard so that refreshment is medically necessary?

[BroxburnHibee]

I watched her statement in full and it struck me as a straightforward, concise and clear speech.

None of the Boris bluster, rhetoric and (dare I say it) lies from the week before.

I'm sure the published details will now be fully scrutinised as they should be.

[jonty]

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Cycle to the van?

I'm considering sending the wife

[JeMeSouviens]

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To be fair, these people that I've seen are a small minority, the vast majority have been sensible.

Yep, I agree.

[Hibby Bairn]

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Cycle to the van?

And run back.

[stoneyburn hibs]

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Ah, exactly how I expected here to be



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You're not wrong.

[PaulSmith]

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Its true though - I couldve said days ago no matter what is published it wont be enough

What exactly would putting a totally arbitrary date on a phase achieve?

Why would that make you this any better?

Surely the reasoning behind the progression to each phase is far more important than the guessed dates of implementation?

I mean England are already rowing back on 1/6 schools - which shows how silly putting a set date in things is

Firstly you’ve jumped straight in and taken a couple of short posts as being your evidence.

Everyone has a right to question the govt, if you are OK with being a subversive member of society and you just want to nod and agree with everything that’s you prerogative.

By not putting any dates leaves a huge question mark for people with businesses who are trying to plan for a return to trade. There should be dates that people can work towards, people will understand the caveats.

I’ve skimmed read the full PDF from Scot.gov. A lot of positives in there and it is very credible.

I’m still sure that we’ll sail through the various phases. However I am concerned that there is not even a mention of a ‘phase 5’ which is a return to normal.

[we are hibs]

Phase 3 includes schools re-opening which is hoped to be in place on the 11th August. Gives you a decent idea of the time frame.

[lord bunberry]

Can’t say I’m too fussed about dates around coming out of lockdown, I’m just delighted that there’s now a light at the end of the tunnel. I think the other restrictions will start to be lifted in an organised way throughout the summer as people begin to return to work and shops start opening.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Nicola uses the ‘new normal’ cliche.

Surely now is the time to start making this phrase an actual arrestable offence.

Constant use of the words ‘new normal’ seems to be the new normal.

I agree though, I hate it. I first heard it in a workshop around eight years ago, in relation to the future of public services. But it also feels dissonant. Even outwith public services and just thinking societally, the norm changes all the time, in my lifetime certainly. It doesn’t need a stupid phrase, it is merely reflective of changing mores and probably how the economy changes and dictates social policy.