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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenworld View Post
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    The desperation may well be just that it is not beyond the realms of possibility that financially they are a lot worse than people realise. It makes sense the reporter who spoke with a leading club who discussed admin must have been Hearts. You cannot hemorrhage the money they have in all aspects of the business and be ok . HEARTS ARE GOING BROKE

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    I think her mentioning in the media that the club have/had a £3 million cash shortfall to get through COVID backs this up imho.

    Their outgoings were reported as £1.5 million a month, or in that region. They’ve also received large multi million pound donations which has been pissed away!

    They’ve not lived within their means and this backs up the theory and using COVID is a smokescreen.

    No club in Scotland outwith the OF are big enough to cope with that sort of outgoing without a massive influx of cash..... it just doesn’t add up.

    FWIW I really hope it’s them and they go pop fir a second time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Since90+2 View Post
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    If Hearts had beaten St Mirren and were 2nd bottom they'd be saying **** all about reconstruction and would have voted to end the league. Absolutely guaranteed and them and their fans know it too.

    Everyone knows this to be true.

    It’s why Budge’s repeated claims for the moral high ground really stick in the throat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Sauzee View Post
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    Oh man, the desperation for some news of financial hardship to come out is palpable.

    Typing “tick tock”...it almost sounds like they’re pleading.

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    Oh man, the desperation for some news of financial hardship to come out is palpable.

    Typing “tick tock”...it almost sounds like they’re pleading.
    The word ‘Fud’ was invented for them

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    The word ‘Fud’ was invented for them
    10 out of 10!

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    That's a fascinating thread. It's incredible that they're busy pointing out the SPFL rule book to say that Hibernian will have to pay deferred wages by January while simultaneously failing to remember that the SPFL rules also show that their 'demotion'/'expulsion' was also written into the rules for all to see.

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    Am I correct in thinking that now the league has been called then they won’t be able to activate the fabled ‘Clause 12’ if they needed to?

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    Clause 12 I believe is a ted herring as all it does is allow them to defer wages during any suspension. Not sure they could use it to avoid paying or end contracts. They also couldn’t use it for those they wanted rid of but not use it for their potentially saleable assets. Or should that say hickey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe6-2 View Post
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    The word ‘Fud’ was invented for them

    Not necessarily, unless they are doing nuts as well as chips.


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    I think her mentioning in the media that the club have/had a £3 million cash shortfall to get through COVID backs this up imho.

    Their outgoings were reported as £1.5 million a month, or in that region. They’ve also received large multi million pound donations which has been pissed away!

    They’ve not lived within their means and this backs up the theory and using COVID is a smokescreen.

    No club in Scotland outwith the OF are big enough to cope with that sort of outgoing without a massive influx of cash..... it just doesn’t add up.

    FWIW I really hope it’s them and they go pop fir a second time.


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    A little less, about £1.24m to end June last year. Of course could be higher now with the cash that was splashed to avoid relegation. On that note I still struggle to get my head round Budge giving that (their high spend) as a reason not to relegate them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brog View Post
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    A little less, about £1.24m to end June last year. Of course could be higher now with the cash that was splashed to avoid relegation. On that note I still struggle to get my head round Budge giving that (their high spend) as a reason not to relegate them!
    Think we had the chat about that before Brog. You have to remember though it’s what BIG teams do but as you’ve mentioned I cannot get my head round why this is a reason.

    Don’t relegate us cos we’ve spent outwith our means.

    I do however look forward to reconstruction falling flat and her statement regarding their way forward


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    The tick tock stuff from them really is laughable! Desperation in its truest form.

    I'm not sure the club has ever been in a better place both financially and infrastructure wise. Covid has then come along and one step after the next the club have made decisions that are in keeping with the class at the core of the club.

    Not shouting from the rooftops- a calm and most importantly considered, considerate approach looking out for the club, employees, fans and broader society. It's an A+ from me.

    So let them clutch at straws. Whilst we watch on, with a wry smile and a shake of the head.

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    Dundee United for Hearts is a great swap. Similar sized traveling support with the promotion bounce. Will soften the blow for the so called tinpot diddy clubs as Hearts fans like to call them

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    Not necessarily, unless they are doing nuts as well as chips.


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    Well they are certainly nuts!

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    A little less, about £1.24m to end June last year. Of course could be higher now with the cash that was splashed to avoid relegation. On that note I still struggle to get my head round Budge giving that (their high spend) as a reason not to relegate them!
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    1.8m to HM Revenue, was that ever repaid?
    George Foulkes wanting Boris to save his Hearts 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Sauzee View Post
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    1.8m to HM Revenue, was that ever repaid?
    George Foulkes wanting Boris to save his Hearts
    Johnson won’t even show up for work as it is, I doubt he’ll have much interest in Hearts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Sauzee View Post
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    1.8m to HM Revenue, was that ever repaid?
    George Foulkes wanting Boris to save his Hearts 😂
    Not a penny ....... the CVA 'accepted' paid out 0p in the £ ........

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    Not a penny ....... the CVA 'accepted' paid out 0p in the £ ........
    Makes it more sickening they are looking for other clubs to help fund their fight and that old Benny couldn't have paid back their non football debts

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    I accept that the current situation is far from ideal and its possible (not likely) that Hearts could have made their way off the bottom and into a play off place. I would much rather we had played the 38 games and they went down with no cause for complaint (although I am sure they would still complain).

    The problems though are that there are very few options and no option works for all.

    -Finishing the season whenever we can eats into the next one.
    - Voiding the season puts the impact on Dundee United which flies in the face of their sporting integrity and no one should be impacted
    - Reconstruction means that 12 clubs who will already be financially impacted are asked to give up a bit more to ensure Hearts and one other promoted club are recompensed. Then we have a situation where many more clubs are at risk of going down next year because we all did our bit to help hearts. Also see above re no one being worse off

    There really is no good outcome here and hearts really should appreciate that. Rather than legal demands and threats and looking for reconstruction, they should be thinking about the bigger picture here.

    Hearts essentially want everyone else to soften the blow for them, when their current position is all of their own making and arguably was avoidable.

    I do feel for the SPFL who have to wrestle with all the above and I even see partly where Hearts are coming from. However, had they beaten St Mirren on that fateful night, I wonder what their position would have been.
    The method used to finish our season was also used in Belgium and France. In Belgium the team relegated were only 2 points from the next team with I think 10 games to go. In France two teams were relegated and the second bottom team were 4 points adrift, the same as Hearts. If England can’t finish their games they will have a similar problem. As you say there wasn’t an easy solution and the SFL has had plenty accusations thrown at them unlike the French and Belgians. Yes it’s unlucky and not what you would want but time to get on with it. As many of their own fans are saying, maybe best to look at the running of their club for answers to their problems.

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    Sweet bit of schadenfreude for one particular creditor that CORONA virus has had such a big part to play in their current woes.

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    Sweet bit of schadenfreude for one particular creditor that CORONA virus has had such a big part to play in their current woes.

    Corona Energy Retail £29,729
    I had to laugh at that one, karma, a word they like to use.
    Anyone know why thy owed Stenhousemuir FC 12 gs ?

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    What they appear to be missing is potentially every club that was not top or mathematical impossible to catch the team above them may have lost out financially. They all had the opportunity to improve their position.

    Perhaps 38 of our clubs could take the SPFL to court?

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    Their fans don’t actually know it. They are that two faced and deluded they think they would have stood up to save erm a team they’ve hated for the past 30 years. Flumps.
    They blame St Mirren for 1986 instead of asking why their team blew it at Dens. FFS a draw would’ve sufficed but they couldn’t even do that. Its a Hear7s trait to blame everyone else for their failings. Budge is now doing exactly the same.

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    I had to laugh at that one, karma, a word they like to use.
    Anyone know why thy owed Stenhousemuir FC 12 gs ?
    Stenhousemuir looking to have one of those "special" relationships?

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    Think we had the chat about that before Brog. You have to remember though it’s what BIG teams do but as you’ve mentioned I cannot get my head round why this is a reason.

    Don’t relegate us cos we’ve spent outwith our means.

    I do however look forward to reconstruction falling flat and her statement regarding their way forward


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    The stupid old boot said it was unfair to relegate them as they had spent a lot of money to avoid it. WTF

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    The stupid old boot said it was unfair to relegate them as they had spent a lot of money to avoid it. WTF
    I wouldn't go to a casino with her that's for sure, can you imagine the doormen trying to wedge her out the door whilst she explains that all that money she lost really needs to be paid out at the window.

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    “Question: how many @spfl clubs will either be able to, or want to, play football behind closed doors if / when that gets the go-ahead? One chairman tells me any reconstruction may have to be based on which teams WANT to play without fans. Enough for 2 leagues of 14, for example?”

    Anonymous Chairman, likely Budge or one of her cohorts. I think there’s going to be a smorgasbord of options put on the table and the arguing and deliberation will drag on and on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike Mandela View Post
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    BBC Kheredine now tweeting

    “Question: how many @spfl clubs will either be able to, or want to, play football behind closed doors if / when that gets the go-ahead? One chairman tells me any reconstruction may have to be based on which teams WANT to play without fans. Enough for 2 leagues of 14, for example?”

    Anonymous Chairman, likely Budge or one of her cohorts. I think there’s going to be a smorgasbord of options put on the table and the arguing and deliberation will drag on and on.
    You’d have thought all of the 12 teams in the Premiership will be up to play behind closed doors. The TV money will determine that it goes on

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