The generic Hearts thread

[A Hi-Bee]

Are they gone yet..........he he he,
**** them hertz

[G B Young]

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Am I understanding this correctly?

Budge was given a surprise second chance to propose a reconstruction plan at today’s meeting, and STILL didn’t come up with anything?

Amateur hour at Tynecastle.

“We want reconstruction so we don’t get relegated.”
“Ok, what do you propose?”
“Er, well, don’t have anything yet, but some clubs might be in favour. Promise we will send something through in the next few days.”
“You said 2-3 weeks max Ann. That deadline is long gone.”
“Unfair!”

And still with the attempts to claim they were 'expelled' rather than relegated. It's the sort of guff you'd expect from Sevco.

You get expelled from, say, a school or a club for unacceptable behaviour, not from a football league for finishing bottom. That's called relegation.

[007]

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Am I understanding this correctly?

Budge was given a surprise second chance to propose a reconstruction plan at today’s meeting, and STILL didn’t come up with anything?

Amateur hour at Tynecastle.

“We want reconstruction so we don’t get relegated.”
“Ok, what do you propose?”
“Er, well, don’t have anything yet, but some clubs might be in favour. Promise we will send something through in the next few days.”
“You said 2-3 weeks max Ann. That deadline is long gone.”
“Unfair!”

I'd assume she's got a few days to finalise the proposal before it goes to the clubs to vote on. Don't know what's taking so long, we've all got a pretty good idea what it will be.

The clubs will have received their money by then so any interdict will be too late to prevent them. They'll just have the threat of preventing football from restarting, which Leslie Deans himself said didn't think would be granted by the court.

[jacomo]

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And still with the attempts to claim they were 'expelled' rather than relegated. It's the sort of guff you'd expect from Sevco.

You get expelled from, say, a school or a club for unacceptable behaviour, not from a football league for finishing bottom. That's called relegation.

I think some of their players will take legal advice on the relegation clauses in their contracts.

[Scorrie]

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I think some of their players will take legal advice on the relegation clauses in their contracts.

I hope not. They’ve got some right pish which I hope they have to keep or pay to get rid off

[The 90+2]

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I hope not. They’ve got some right pish which I hope they have to keep or pay to get rid off

I think he means the players will use the term expelled to challenge any threat of activating relegation clauses.

[granty6_2]

Just had a quick look on kickback.

Its amazing how short sighted their fans are...

They all seem to be happy that budgie is threatening legal action if reconstruction is not agreed - the gloves are off as one of them said

But not one of them have taken a second to think this through. Reconstruction is very unlikely, it did not even proceed to a vote last time as so many clubs were even against the notion of reconstruction - reconstruction is dead in the water.....but you take your time fighting this losing battle.

Then, when reconstruction is thrown out of the level 6 window at Hampden, they will threaten legal action.....do they not think the SPFL have considered this option and will have contingency plans to fight the action - or at very least tie it up in red tape

So fast forward 4 months - hearts are still relegated, no manager (unless potter renews his contract), they have spent all their money on legal fees, in a league where they will lose £3m in revenue and still have a HUGE wage bill to service.

Up a certain creek without a paddle!!!! superb

[BroxburnHibee]

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Two relegations to the Championship in 6 years firmly places them into yo yo club territory IMHO.

It'll be good to see a genuinely big club in Dundee United replace them next year.

They've got a special relationship with the Championship....

[Andy74]

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I think he means the players will use the term expelled to challenge any threat of activating relegation clauses.

They’ve been relegated. Makes no odds what word Hearts use.

[hibsbollah]

Has Tom English said anything on this yet? I can’t form an opinion on this matter till I hear from him.

[Jones28]

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He probably put the thousand in himself.

The prick pledged a 4 figure donation on sportsound, if they’ve cobbled together £200 for the rest of the support that would be hilarious

[greenpaper55]

Reading between the lines the threat of legal action is just a means of extracting extra cash from the SPFL as they think they were hard done by, this has more chance than any reconstruction idea they can come up with.

[007]

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Has Tom English said anything on this yet? I can’t form an opinion on this matter till I hear from him.

Today's podcast isn't out yet but I expect it will be soon. Probably delayed recording it to see what the outcome from the meeting was.

[jacomo]

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Just had a quick look on kickback.

Its amazing how short sighted their fans are...

They all seem to be happy that budgie is threatening legal action if reconstruction is not agreed - the gloves are off as one of them said

But not one of them have taken a second to think this through. Reconstruction is very unlikely, it did not even proceed to a vote last time as so many clubs were even against the notion of reconstruction - reconstruction is dead in the water.....but you take your time fighting this losing battle.

Then, when reconstruction is thrown out of the level 6 window at Hampden, they will threaten legal action.....do they not think the SPFL have considered this option and will have contingency plans to fight the action - or at very least tie it up in red tape

So fast forward 4 months - hearts are still relegated, no manager (unless potter renews his contract), they have spent all their money on legal fees, in a league where they will lose £3m in revenue and still have a HUGE wage bill to service.

Up a certain creek without a paddle!!!! superb

There are a fair number of Jambos - the silent majority perhaps - who might be angry or upset at relegation but accept it.

They are obviously being shouted down by the lunatics today, encouraged by the pathetic bleating of their own club.

The refusal to use the word ‘relegation’ in their latest STATEMENT really is desperate and classless. No dignity whatsoever.

[we are hibs]

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Which is not beyond the realms of possibility, although prize money should've kept most afloat for the time being.

Still, they're not down enough yet in my mind.

Theyre not down enough yet for me either. until theyre relegated to the lowland league that is

[JeMeSouviens]

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The prick pledged a 4 figure donation on sportsound, if they’ve cobbled together £200 for the rest of the support that would be hilarious

Sorry not keeping up here, Deans or English?

[Rocky]

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Not even a close thing.

		Games played	Points	Goal Difference	Points / Game
1	Celtic	30	80	70	2.6667
2	Rangers	29	67	45	2.3103
3	Motherwell	30	46	3	1.5333
4	Aberdeen	30	45	4	1.5000
5	Livingston	30	39	2	1.3000
6	St Johnstone	29	36	-18	1.2414
7	Hibernian	30	37	-7	1.2333
8	Kilmarnock	30	33	-10	1.1000
9	St Mirren	30	29	-17	0.9667
10	Ross County	30	29	-31	0.9667
11	Hamilton A	30	27	-20	0.9000
12	Hearts	30	23	-21	0.7667

Interesting to note that if Hearts were to turn it around and achieve Top 6 form for the remainder of the season by matching St Johnstone's points per game (1.2414), and Hamilton were to drop to the bottom spot form of 0.7667 points per game, Hearts would still finish bottom (32.93 points vs 33.14).

[Tambo]

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There are a fair number of Jambos - the silent majority perhaps - who might be angry or upset at relegation but accept it.

They are obviously being shouted down by the lunatics today, encouraged by the pathetic bleating of their own club.

The refusal to use the word ‘relegation’ in their latest STATEMENT really is desperate and classless. No dignity whatsoever.

A post on the discussion of the Scottish cup semi finals...

If*that is*the case I’d like Hearts to withdraw stating we can’t raise a team ( doubt the championship will go ahead) and then Rangers take our place.*

[gaz1875]

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Has Tom English said anything on this yet? I can’t form an opinion on this matter till I hear from him.

He'll be in the middle of writing their next statement

[hibbyfraelibby]

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A post on the discussion of the Scottish cup semi finals...

If*that is*the case I’d like Hearts to withdraw stating we can’t raise a team ( doubt the championship will go ahead) and then Rangers take our place.*

Rules is rjles. They forfeit and we get bye to final and a 1/3 share of the pot instead of 1/4. Comoensates us for dropping £125k league payout. Very generous. Like their thinking

[Since452]

I really hope Budge *****s more money on a legal case. Would probably finish them off. Mad Vlad to Budge - out of the frying pan into the fire.

[Jones28]

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Sorry not keeping up here, Deans or English?

It’s was Edinburgh’s premium real estate broker/arbitration for sport lawyer/form filler inner Leslie Deans.

Not Stirlingshire’s apex prick Tom English

[Potty78]

I honestly think reconstruction may save them or unfortunately teams will go to the wall and we'll have to reconstruct the leagues anyway. I'll no enjoy until they kick off there first championship game!

[Victor]

Cannot see what grounds they have for a legal case. It is a member’s organisation in which they all have a vote. If it is over Dundeegate, they have already voted on the Board’s decision and decided not to investigate further. If it is on calling the season early, again it was a majority vote in favour of it happening. I think they need to accept what has happened and focus on getting out the Championship at the first attempt. Anything else is just a distraction, of course it may be a deflection tactic to stop the fans turning their ire on the true culprits here, Budge and her fellow directors.


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[Aldo]

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I honestly think reconstruction may save them or unfortunately teams will go to the wall and we'll have to reconstruct the leagues anyway. I'll no enjoy until they kick off there first championship game!

I don’t. You really think the likes of Accies, st Mirren, Ross County, Livi, St Johnstone (no disrespect to them) will vote fir their potentially to be 2/3/4 teams relegated next season?? Eh naw.

Anyway they are now a championship team and will vote as one of them and not SPL so you can add Utd to that list.


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[Since452]

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I honestly think reconstruction may save them or unfortunately teams will go to the wall and we'll have to reconstruct the leagues anyway. I'll no enjoy until they kick off there first championship game!

I know where you're coming from as they always seem to come out smelling of Roses. Not this time though.

[Kato]

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The voice of a lunatic.

Voice of a Conman more like.

He knew exactly what he was doing and would've walked away with millions if it wasn't for those pesky Lithuanian pensioners.

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[Jones28]

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Cannot see what grounds they have for a legal case. It is a member’s organisation in which they all have a vote. If it is over Dundeegate, they have already voted on the Board’s decision and decided not to investigate further. If it is on calling the season early, again it was a majority vote in favour of it happening. I think they need to accept what has happened and focus on getting out the Championship at the first attempt. Anything else is just a distraction, of course it may be a deflection tactic to stop the fans turning their ire on the true culprits here, Budge and her fellow directors.


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I thought bringing legal action against the league was an offence that you could see you booted out the league? Then they really would be expelled.

[GreenCastle]

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Cannot see what grounds they have for a legal case. It is a member’s organisation in which they all have a vote. If it is over Dundeegate, they have already voted on the Board’s decision and decided not to investigate further. If it is on calling the season early, again it was a majority vote in favour of it happening. I think they need to accept what has happened and focus on getting out the Championship at the first attempt. Anything else is just a distraction, of course it may be a deflection tactic to stop the fans turning their ire on the true culprits here, Budge and her fellow directors.


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Yup.

As someone else posted - Budge has to be seen to do something or face even more scrutiny from the fans.

If she sat back and did nothing..the abuse would fly at her.

Wonder when the Championship fixtures come out?

[Greenworld]

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I honestly think reconstruction may save them or unfortunately teams will go to the wall and we'll have to reconstruct the leagues anyway. I'll no enjoy until they kick off there first championship game!

It was bombed out the water only a week ago, whats changed? Nothing. Championship 9 - 1 against, premier against . Not Happening they should never have been offered another chance. Smaller is better in crises, if teams struggle then come up with something different for the lower leagues .

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