SPFL restart plans

[PaulSmith]

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You say given up. I say accepting reality.

The reality is there is absolutely no benefit to letting fans in at games and its not workable. It will cost more money than they'll take in.

The SPFL has no money at all generally. Don't even have a sponsor. Yet people are expecting them to rent out Hampden and Murrayfield for whole weekends for god-knows how long? Anyone that goes to these stadiums will have bought a season ticket already so its not like clubs will be more getting income. Play Friday/Saturday/Sunday then who gets the Sunday game if its been pishing down all weekend with the cut up pitch? Do you have 1 pitch size for all or allow the "home" team to re-size to their stadiums size? If Livi and Accies are playing the old firm at "home" and can only attract 300 fans are they then allowed to sell 9500 to Rangers and Celtic? For the home team's travelling outside Edinburgh and Glasgow who pays their transport? Who will pay for Aberdeen and Ross County's team travel and hotel stay?

TBH it was zero appeal to me. Going to a rugby stadium at the other end of the city to sit on your tod. Rather sit in the house with a few bottles of Morretti and some family/pals if they streamed the games (and if visits are of course allowed)

It's a bit like this morning with decisions of schools and how they can return. "We can extend the school opening hours and have 2 sittings", "we can socially distance". That might be possible in a few years but schools in cities all over the UK and rammed full. Teachers are already working 50/60 hours a week. These things can be overcome but everythings gonna take more than a few weeks/month to sort out.

Personally I think we’ll move through the Levels - should be at 3 on June 1st IIRC- quicker than what a lot of people actually want to happen.

[Coach Jon]

Rod Petrie said that player testing costs could run into £10M, may be possible in England, but no chance of it happening in Scotland.

[PaulSmith]

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Rod Petrie said that player testing costs could run into £10M, may be possible in England, but no chance of it happening in Scotland.

Only relevant to the threat level at the time and trying to get games on in June.

[PaulSmith]

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It’s okay you can rest easy, the replies were correct, it ain’t happening.

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/g...hecks-18249676

Thankfully there are people who actually want this to happen rather than just saying “It ain’t happening”

[Hibee Mac]

Celebrations will look hilarious if we go ahead with distancing in stadiums

[Phil MaGlass]

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Police down south not that keen on crowds that could be attracted outside a (say) Liverpool V Man C game in an empty or hub stadium.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52650957

Can't see Police Scotland being all that happy at the crowds inside/outside a hub stadium that has Rangers v Celtic scheduled, followed by Aberdeen v Hibs.

Minimum 500 quid fines for congregating would sort that oot

[Ozyhibby]

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Rod Petrie said that player testing costs could run into £10M, may be possible in England, but no chance of it happening in Scotland.

In three months time, testing will be a lot more abundant. The govt already has more testing capacity than it does tests. It’s possible the govt does the testing to get sport back playing. The new antibody test also helps big time.


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[Scouse Hibee]

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https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/g...hecks-18249676

Thankfully there are people who actually want this to happen rather than just saying “It ain’t happening”

Of course there are but just because people want something to happen it doesn’t mean it’s going to. I want football to resume this season as normal.

[Antifa Hibs]

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https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/g...hecks-18249676

Thankfully there are people who actually want this to happen rather than just saying “It ain’t happening”

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Minimum 500 quid fines for congregating would sort that oot

So on top of having to pay for a full quota of stewards for a stadium around 1/5th full we now need to pay to have stewards take body temperatures at entrances with scanners and pay to have police on stand-by for fans who congregate or accidentally celebrate a 90th minute winner with the lad/lassie next to them?

This might work in the elite leagues where a ticket can be £60 and Sky are going to write a cheque for £100m to each club (minimum) in May but for us? Still can't see how it's feasible.

[Ozyhibby]

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You say given up. I say accepting reality.

The reality is there is absolutely no benefit to letting fans in at games and its not workable. It will cost more money than they'll take in.

The SPFL has no money at all generally. Don't even have a sponsor. Yet people are expecting them to rent out Hampden and Murrayfield for whole weekends for god-knows how long? Anyone that goes to these stadiums will have bought a season ticket already so its not like clubs will be more getting income. Play Friday/Saturday/Sunday then who gets the Sunday game if its been pishing down all weekend with the cut up pitch? Do you have 1 pitch size for all or allow the "home" team to re-size to their stadiums size? If Livi and Accies are playing the old firm at "home" and can only attract 300 fans are they then allowed to sell 9500 to Rangers and Celtic? For the home team's travelling outside Edinburgh and Glasgow who pays their transport? Who will pay for Aberdeen and Ross County's team travel and hotel stay?

TBH it was zero appeal to me. Going to a rugby stadium at the other end of the city to sit on your tod. Rather sit in the house with a few bottles of Morretti and some family/pals if they streamed the games (and if visits are of course allowed)

It's a bit like this morning with decisions of schools and how they can return. "We can extend the school opening hours and have 2 sittings", "we can socially distance". That might be possible in a few years but schools in cities all over the UK and rammed full. Teachers are already working 50/60 hours a week. These things can be overcome but everythings gonna take more than a few weeks/month to sort out.

That’s the spirit.

Do you honestly think that clubs will worry about pitch size? Or how many opposing fans are in? Or having to travel a couple of hours?
The clubs need to play games or the will go out of business. It’s as simple as that. The Murrayfield pitch is a hybrid pitch and should hold up just fine especially in the early season.
Your preference of everyone just staying locked up in their houses and letting the clubs go bust is thankfully not what the majority of people want.
And if you want to watch at home because rugby stadiums on the other side of town are not your thing then fine. As tickets will likely be rationed then that will help others who do want to go.
Can’t believe people want to knock Scottish football for trying to plan a way forward.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Of course there are but just because people want something to happen it doesn’t mean it’s going to. I want football to resume this season as normal.

I think ‘as normal’ has been ruled out for now. Just getting it back at all will help clubs survive though.


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[Ozyhibby]

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So on top of having to pay for a full quota of stewards for a stadium around 1/5th full we now need to pay to have stewards take body temperatures at entrances with scanners and pay to have police on stand-by for fans who congregate or accidentally celebrate a 90th minute winner with the lad/lassie next to them?

This might work in the elite leagues where a ticket can be £60 and Sky are going to write a cheque for £100m to each club (minimum) in May but for us? Still can't see how it's feasible.

It’s possible the govt may pay for testing and temp checks if we put a workable plan together.
As far as celebrating goals together, I think people behaviour will reflect the times we are in and what people have become accustomed to.


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[jacomo]

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Just can't see them letting fans in until the distancing is relaxed.
Good to see people thinking about it but the 2m distancing just doesn't work in a stadium.
Assuming a seats about 0.5m apart it would need to be every 5th seat but that would need to be forward and backwards as well so you couldn't put someone so close in a row behind or in front even if staggered. Then how to people get into their seat? Filing into seats in order one at a time?? And what happened if you want to go to the toilet during the game???

Can you imagine the carnage if a certain Edinburgh team who play in green was to score a 90+2 minute winner against a team from Glasgow who maybe wear blue. No danger people could stay in their allocated space and celebrate alone.

So much want it to go back to the way it was and we all get to enjoy our football but can only see supporters getting into games once the infection rate is much lower and distancing rules are lifted.

And this is my point.

Either people are allowed to assemble in large crowds again, or they are not. Imo pretending you can somehow have a large event with social distancing measures in place is a fallacy.

If we had widespread testing in place and we actually had a better idea of who has or has had the virus, things could be much better.

[Ozyhibby]

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And this is my point.

Either people are allowed to assemble in large crowds again, or they are not. Imo pretending you can somehow have a large event with social distancing measures in place is a fallacy.

If we had widespread testing in place and we actually had a better idea of who has or has had the virus, things could be much better.

If the govt doesn’t have widespread testing in place in three months time then it’s likely the govt will fall.
We can’t have games just now but in 3 months maybe we can? And if we can then, it will need to have been planned for. That’s what’s happening now. Well done the spfl for a change.


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[jacomo]

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Try again....!!

You are right of course, massive typo there. A socially distanced queue of 10,000 people is up to 20 km long.

If we restart football at Murrayfield you could maybe start the queue at Lochend Park?

[Topographic Hibby]

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You are right of course, massive typo there. A socially distanced queue of 10,000 people is up to 20 km long.

If we restart football at Murrayfield you could maybe start the queue at Lochend Park?

And that's another concept that needs more work.

A socially distant queue of football fans of any persuasion is gonna be a nightmare to organise and police.

[PaulSmith]

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And that's another concept that needs more work.

A socially distant queue of football fans of any persuasion is gonna be a nightmare to organise and police.

I also read that there would be riots in the supermarket if the lockdown lasted more than 5 weeks.

[bigwheel]

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You are right of course, massive typo there. A socially distanced queue of 10,000 people is up to 20 km long.

If we restart football at Murrayfield you could maybe start the queue at Lochend Park?

There could be more than one queue perhaps ??

[jacomo]

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There could be more than one queue perhaps ??

Er, yes. Just make sure each queue is 2m apart, of course.

If you have 20 queues then each one is only 1km long, which will be a breeze.

I should have gone into the ped barrier business. Boom times ahead!

[Ozyhibby]

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There could be more than one queue perhaps ??

Murrayfield has more than one turnstyle? That surely can’t be right? No, there is nothing else for it, we just need to give up. Just cancel football for next season as well. Might as well make the players redundant now.


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[Blaster]

Folks from same household can travel / sit / queue together. It’s not a one person scenario for every aspect.

[Keith_M]

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It’s good to see the SPFL looking so thoroughly into all the factors needed before football can restart. Murrayfield should be ruled out though. Money for football should be kept in football in these tough economic times.

So you'd rather we played the games at stadiums where the crowds would be a lot lower, bringing in even less money for the clubs?

[Hibernian Verse]

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maybe do away with food kiosks for now?


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chips must be served

[Keith_M]

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True about the pubs, but what about us guys with enlarged prostates! 😬

You have to sit at the end of the row.

They can advertise those as the 'weak bladder seats'.

[Ozyhibby]

If lower league football is to be played as well, it’s possible that stadiums like Easter road could be a hub stadium for those leagues.


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[GreenCastle]

Scottish football has no money - they aren’t going to pay to rent Murrayfield anytime soon for x1 game let along several games.

Scottish football couldn’t afford goal line technology/ VAR so while they may be desperate to restart - the German and English leagues can chuck millions around for constant testing etc but we can’t.

The quickest way to get back playing again is behind closed doors till January.

Each stadium club / stadium has to have specific guidelines/ audited to comply with new protocols.

Any fans seen to be “gathering” outside stadium - stadium ban for 5 years minimum.

The testing / international players / coaches etc is the hard part as 2 week quarantines / testing etc takes time / money.

[Keith_M]

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You are right of course, massive typo there. A socially distanced queue of 10,000 people is up to 20 km long.

If we restart football at Murrayfield you could maybe start the queue at Lochend Park?

There's about a hundred turnstyles at Murrayfield, so why would everybody be in the same queue?

Also, as people join the back of the queue, others will be going in through the turnstyles at the other end. Even if you only used half the turnstyles (to keep a safe distance), the queues would probably never be more than 100m long.



Wow, Billy was right, I really should be on the planning committee for this.

[Antifa Hibs]

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That’s the spirit.

Do you honestly think that clubs will worry about pitch size? Or how many opposing fans are in? Or having to travel a couple of hours?
The clubs need to play games or the will go out of business. It’s as simple as that. The Murrayfield pitch is a hybrid pitch and should hold up just fine especially in the early season.
Your preference of everyone just staying locked up in their houses and letting the clubs go bust is thankfully not what the majority of people want.
And if you want to watch at home because rugby stadiums on the other side of town are not your thing then fine. As tickets will likely be rationed then that will help others who do want to go.
Can’t believe people want to knock Scottish football for trying to plan a way forward.


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1) Do you honestly think that clubs will worry about pitch size? Or how many opposing fans are in?

Of course. Livi sell around 1000 season tickets. Let's say £220 a head on average (Guess would be alot less as adults are £300 and U16s are 50 quid) so they take £220,000 from season ticket sales. One visit from Celtic or Rangers with 8000 travelling supporters at £25 a head brings that in for one match. Course clubs need away fans, particularly those from Rangers and Celtic who will guarantee to sellout any allocation even at inflated prices. Ours included.

2) Or having to travel a couple of hours?

Again - yes. Ross county v Aberdeen, County the home side at Murrayfield. Little to no away punters allowed in. Their prize money at the end of the season is going to be dilluted (stadium rent, lack of sponsorship etc etc) yet you're expecting their expenses to go up? For what? To have them in an empty rugby stadium 160 miles away?

3) The clubs need to play games or the will go out of business.

Struggling to see how playing games at Hampden or Murrayfield will fix this? If you havn't bought a season ticket already (or planning on doing so in next month or two) are you then going to suddenly buy one?

4) Can’t believe people want to knock Scottish football for trying to plan a way forward.

Not knocking them. Knocking people quoting Edinburgh and Glasgow Live as credible papers who are worse sources than the sun and the Record.

Agree football needs to come back but can't see how hubs are remotely feasible? 300 Ross County fans in Murrayfield then locking 35000 Celtic fans out of Hampden the same day? It's madness. There's no money to be made from it, infact it would most likely cost clubs money. You'd be aswell hosting games at Oriam, Aberdeen Uni and Toryglen as they'd be closed off from the public.

Your preference of everyone just staying locked up in their houses and letting the clubs go bust is thankfully not what the majority of people want.

Wind it in. Can count on one hand how many games i've missed since relegation. Renewed my season ticket and bought my nephew the new NHS strip while unemployed with not a pot to piss in

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Hmmm I get the cover bit but how much cleaning is going on in the hours rather than days between matches? How long would the virus survive in a football stadium infrastructure?

The virus apparently can live on hard surfaces for 3 days.

[jacomo]

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Murrayfield has more than one turnstyle? That surely can’t be right? No, there is nothing else for it, we just need to give up. Just cancel football for next season as well. Might as well make the players redundant now.


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I’m not sure why you are getting all het up about this.

Everyone wants to see football return, but being open about the practical considerations is not being defeatist, it is being realistic.

The current social distancing rules are the enemy of large events. Even if you can make it work (and do not doubt the hard work and ingenuity of people in the events industry), you might well create an event which offers such a poor experience for the fan that ticket sales soon dwindle. Who wants to spend an hour or more shuffling in a queue to get into a football stadium? Not me.

The reason we have these social distancing measures is that we have no idea who has the virus or who has had it. This is because our government decided testing was unimportant.

Personally, I would focus much more on that.