The generic Hearts thread

[Kojock]

“I personally think it would not be fair to punish one team and force them to relegate kind of 'in the middle of the season' – whether it was Hearts or any other team.

Mid season. You need a new calendar or an updated fixture list.

[Waxy]

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“I personally think it would not be fair to punish one team and force them to relegate kind of 'in the middle of the season' – whether it was Hearts or any other team.

Mid season. You need a new calendar or an updated fixture list.

I'd bet Stendal didn't even say that.Just been stuck in there by the reporter.

[Peevemor]

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I'd bet Stendal didn't even say that.Just been stuck in there by the reporter.

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

[nonshinyfinish]

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Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there)

Welt amid odor?

[Waxy]

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It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

Oops.
Still bet the reporter wrote that.

[Waxy]

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Welt amid odor?

We have a winner already.

[Keith_M]

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Not a relegation release clause then? 😂

Nah, that would have been a far too simple way to describe it.

I have a feeling that Hearts are desperate to dump him (even if it's just to get rid of his high wages), but the ball is in Stendel's court.

[GreenCastle]

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Jack Ross basically saying get doon.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-hibs-22023443

That’s the paper stirring.

Regarding Stendal - so looks like it’s true he signed with a relegation clause to protect himself.

He obviously is taking no wage no so if he leaves he can say he didn’t take anything for last few months and doesn’t look the bad guy - leaves on a positive just like he did at Barnsley - but left them in a mess too.

Surely he won’t want to manage in the Championship?

At the same time - he may see it as an easy chance to win a league and boost his CV. But fail to get promoted 1st time and he will be really struggling so he will be thinking about his career pathway.

He has a 29% win ratio at Hearts which is really awful.

[ACLeith]

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It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

A doomed twirl

[nonshinyfinish]

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A doomed twirl

[brog]

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From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

Is Prima Facile the collective noun for the Hearts support? A superb Freudian slip!

[Bostonhibby]

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Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

In this ingenious plan it's just as well any defendant will agree to them just walking away at their chosen time without paying the defendants costs up to the point that Hearts think they can walk away.

The defendant might actually decide it has a counter claim too.

They're easy led.

Oh and they definitely have a facile claim a Prima one naturally, was never going to be an ordinary facile one.

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[Springbank]

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A doomed twirl

From Dens Park, May 1986
To Easter Road, February 2016
And St Mirren Park, March 2020

The Doomed Twirl tour of Scotland continues

[Sweet Left Peg]

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It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

Maybe his agent is Levein undercover?

DR WI'OOT MEDAL

[Keith_M]

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It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

Tim O'Rodewald?


That'll get the Mini-Huns totally beelin!

[Tug Wilson]

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They agreed wage reductions so I doubt they'll be subsequently using clause 12. If I was a player agreeing to a reduction I'd be making sure part of the agreement would be that clause 12 was removed from the contract.

If I am correct then the famous Article 12 allows the club to suspend the player's contract while the season is suspended. As it is now.

Once the season is completed then Article 12 is no longer applicable. It is not a method to get rid of a player.

It is likely that, in the event of relegation, some contracts allow for 1) a reduction in wages, 2) cancellation of the contract by the player and/or 3) cancellation of the contract by the club.

This protects the club from having high earners on the books and allows the player to move if he feels that he is better than the division the club has dropped down to.

Any player would be mad to walk away from a contract in the current climate. If Hearts don't have wage reduction / contract cancellation clauses in their players' contracts then they could be saddled with a lot of players they don't want.

[high bee]

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If I am correct then the famous Article 12 allows the club to suspend the player's contract while the season is suspended. As it is now.

Once the season is completed then Article 12 is no longer applicable. It is not a method to get rid of a player.

It is likely that, in the event of relegation, some contracts allow for 1) a reduction in wages, 2) cancellation of the contract by the player and/or 3) cancellation of the contract by the club.

This protects the club from having high earners on the books and allows the player to move if he feels that he is better than the division the club has dropped down to.

Any player would be mad to walk away from a contract in the current climate. If Hearts don't have wage reduction / contract cancellation clauses in their players' contracts then they could be saddled with a lot of players they don't want.

And if they don’t have clauses in the contracts I’m sure they will be claiming it’s because they’re unethical and they aren’t like others clubs, heaven forbid anyone should claim its poor business acumen.

Just like when they claimed they’re a fair employer cause they pay a high basic wage... eh no, how about you’re throwing money about like there’s no tomorrow and paying wages that are unsustainable, hence why teams like Aberdeen couldn’t compete to sign Boyce.

[RyeSloan]

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So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?






Get doon ya ****s

I’m pretty sure that it has been mentioned a number of times that he had a relegation release clause so I’m not sure this is new news.

Absolutely makes sense that he has, not just that such an outcome would have proven he was crap but no way could Hearts be able to afford whatever silly money they were chucking at him.

Shame really as he is right up there in the ranks of Hearts managers Hibs would really want to keep!

[Auckland Hibs]

Had a look over on Brokeback, they're resigned to the fact that the league will be called soon and relegation is coming - very pleasing.

Apparently the only thing to be resolved is their level of compensation which appears to sit between 1 & 3 million - deluded fools.

[Tug Wilson]

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Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

This is right "man in the pub" advice where someone shows that a little knowledge is dangerous. Throwing in a bit of Latin to try and look smart.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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AllisBarry in the Evening News...


"Hearts manager Daniel Stendel will discuss his future with owner Ann Budge if and when the club are officially relegated from the Premiership.

His contract, which runs until summer 2022, is not valid outwith the top flight so he will be free to leave if Hearts end up in the Championship. He and Budge have yet to formally talk about whether he might stay on in that case."


Strange way to word that and, because it was written by Banderson, I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

I have a feeling they want rid, and this is their first 'throw of the dice'.

So are theh "expelling", "ejecting" or "recalibrating" St.Endal?

[Bostonhibby]

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This is right "man in the pub" advice where someone shows that a little knowledge is dangerous. Throwing in a bit of Latin to try and look smart.

Prima facile case

If he's trying to impress with his classic Latin there's not many better cock ups than that one

Facile, just brilliant. Incidentally Man in Pub
could certainly do a better job of explaining to them what the process actually is as opposed to this idiot who has probably been up all night watching Perry Mason.

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[JimBHibees]

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So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?




🤣🤣🤣🤣

Get doon ya ****s

Did they really pay a million for a manager already sacked? Wow.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Had a look over on Brokeback, they're resigned to the fact that the league will be called soon and relegation is coming - very pleasing.

Apparently the only thing to be resolved is their level of compensation which appears to sit between 1 & 3 million - deluded fools.

Apparently they think they should get the parachute payment for bottom plus the one for the losing Prem play off team....£800k in total. Should be abe to pay off Budgies brother with that and then go into Admin2

[jacomo]

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Did they really pay a million for a manager already sacked? Wow.

Barnsley said they would pursue legal action. Hearts said no compensation was due. I am not sure that it went to court.

I can’t believe even Budge would be so dumb as to pay £1m for him.

[MrSmith]

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Is Prima Facile the collective noun for the Hearts support? A superb Freudian slip!

Yeah a superb facial given how much they spaff on their own.

[Jdawg]

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This is right "man in the pub" advice where someone shows that a little knowledge is dangerous. Throwing in a bit of Latin to try and look smart.

Correct. He’s almost entirely wrong. He seems to have forgotten the basics of a court case in that the defender can defend the action 😂.

Prima facie means at first sight and usually for interim orders such as diligence at the start of an action/interim interdicts, etc.

It has nothing to do with cases being thrown out on a preliminary matter. These are dealt with at debate if the action lacks specification, relevance, etc. which are pleas-in-law for the defender.

[Jdawg]

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Yeah a superb facial given how much they spaff on their own.

😂😂😂

[Jones28]

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Did they really pay a million for a manager already sacked? Wow.

Tbf that was a figure punted at the time as what Barnsley wanted. Whether or not it came to that is a different matter - although the fact that it didn’t actually go to court would suggest something was agreed.

[Jdawg]

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Tbf that was a figure punted at the time as what Barnsley wanted. Whether or not it came to that is a different matter - although the fact that it didn’t actually go to court would suggest something was agreed.

Hilarious if it’s true.