The generic Hearts thread

[bingo70]

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What leadership? The SPFL is the clubs.

It’s not the clubs that negotiate TV deals, sponsorship and promotes the game.

I know what you are getting at and I don’t have an issue with their handling of this situation, I just don’t think our game is promoted and sold as well as it could be.

I also don’t think the league being run as a membership organisation with all clubs voting in their own interest is healthy. I think it should be an independent body.

[Irish_Steve]

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https://www.gofundme.com/f/only-hearts

still there I think! See Dens Kidd has some sympathy for their cause!

I saw that too. Was considering donating £1 with my new name of "You`re down, ya roasters" but you need to donate at least £5 - not stretching that far lol

[Joe6-2]

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Inverness have just directly accused clubs of bullying and have stated they told Doncaster directly. This has got a bit more to run now.

Just decided to mention this now?

[hibeerealist]

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It’s now Sunday afternoon and they decide to produce a statement along the lines of Newco’s dossier full of speculation blah blah.

Why has he left it this late to come back to the table. Surely this information could have been produced before now.

Bear in mind this is the same ICT chairman who said all teams in the championship had a what’s app group only to be **** down. The same ICT chairman who has ties to both Newco and Hearts.

Pre-planned along with their buddies


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I agree, the one club, famous for statements, closely followed by it's wee cousins bereft of bus fares, has clearly "encouraged" the Tsunami of statements we are now seeing!! Sevco are obviously very sore taking all things into account (they won nowt and CFC are now on 9IAR) and are stirring things up in the background ably assisted by Chemical Annie (runner up in the statement league).

This latest one, written by a sevco fan and former director at the Pink Palace, reeks of pain at losing out on a play off (or automatic promotion if the "extend the SPL nuts got their way") for the SPL so NO AXE TO GRIND THERE THEN.

This all seems like a **** or bust action from at least two of the players (one in the west and one in the east), is this possibly because financially they are standing on the trap door? I certainly get the feeling that HMOFC, given the whole mess that was played out with their players and wage cuts, could be in a perilous state (with impending relegation added to this).

[GreenCastle]

Can see more statements before Tuesdays meeting then after meeting.

Going to be some hilarious reading.

[Keith_M]

So what's the details of the alleged bullying?

Who bullied who, and how?

[MrSmith]

OK, so the tail is beginning to way the dog - if not already doing so? - therefore, the rest of the clubs must now act and act decisively! Challenge every statement from those clubs claiming to be hard done by and working for the best of Scottish Football but who are in effect, self serving, sycophantic liars.

[Aldo]

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I agree, the one club, famous for statements, closely followed by it's wee cousins bereft of bus fares, has clearly "encouraged" the Tsunami of statements we are now seeing!! Sevco are obviously very sore taking all things into account (they won nowt and CFC are now on 9IAR) and are stirring things up in the background ably assisted by Chemical Annie (runner up in the statement league).

This latest one, written by a sevco fan and former director at the Pink Palace, reeks of pain at losing out on a play off (or automatic promotion if the "extend the SPL nuts got their way") for the SPL so NO AXE TO GRIND THERE THEN.

This all seems like a **** or bust action from at least two of the players (one in the west and one in the east), is this possibly because financially they are standing on the trap door? I certainly get the feeling that HMOFC, given the whole mess that was played out with their players and wage cuts, could be in a perilous state (with impending relegation added to this).

Doncaster admits that there were robust discussions and words said between clubs however no formal complaints.

So Mr Gardiner I would suggest you are mischief making, stirring the **** for the sake of it. Why did the representatives of these clubs not come forward all those weeks ago and make a formal complaint??? I really do wonder why.

So when the dust is settle the SPFL should be taking action against ICT for bringing the game into disrepute.


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[hibbyfraelibby]

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It’s not the clubs that negotiate TV deals, sponsorship and promotes the game.

I know what you are getting at and I don’t have an issue with their handling of this situation, I just don’t think our game is promoted and sold as well as it could be.

I also don’t think the league being run as a membership organisation with all clubs voting in their own interest is healthy. I think it should be an independent body.

So who owns the independent body? Whose interests do they run the independent body for? Is there such a thing as an independent body?

[truehibernian]

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Doncaster admits that there were robust discussions and words said between clubs however no formal complaints.

So Mr Gardiner I would suggest you are mischief making, stirring the **** for the sake of it. Why did the representatives of these clubs not come forward all those weeks ago and make a formal complaint??? I really do wonder why.

So when the dust is settle the SPFL should be taking action against ICT for bringing the game into disrepute.


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Wonder if Gardiner put his complaint in writing to Neil Doncaster as any professional organisation would ?

Or did he just send emojis on WhatsApp

[plhibs]

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If the SPFL do not take action against the teams spouting off for bringing the game into disrepute then the games a bogey imho.

It’ll be a free for all with teams saying and going what they want knowing there will be no consequences.

Let’s hope once this all settles a bit that sanctions are brought against those teams responsible.


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I think your first paragraph is exactly what sevco is wanting to happen, blow the whole thing up so they can get into a position of power and get rid of a lot of teams and change the rules to give them sweet revenge on Scottish football. After all we are all to blame for their demotion to the bottom division.

[Aldo]

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Wonder if Gardiner put his complaint in writing to Neil Doncaster as any professional organisation would ?

Or did he just send emojis on WhatsApp

I think we know the answer to both those questions TH......


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[Aldo]

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I think your first paragraph is exactly what sevco is wanting to happen, blow the whole thing up so they can get into a position of power and get rid of a lot of teams and change the rules to give them sweet revenge on Scottish football. After all we are all to blame for their demotion to the bottom division.

Could well be the case however I think you’ll find that a lot of clubs are silently peed off with certain clubs in the league (s)


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[bingo70]

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So who owns the independent body? Whose interests do they run the independent body for? Is there such a thing as an independent body?

How do the other leagues work it?

Pretty sure the English Premiership isn’t a democracy across all member clubs in England?

Happy to be corrected on that front btw, I just think the system we have just now doesn’t really work and seems to throw up issues like this whenever there is a difficult decision to be made.

I appreciate the Premiership down south isn’t a great comparison, how to other countries comparable with us do it? The Scandinavian countries, Croatian, Belgian even? Are they all run as democracies across member clubs?

[A Hi-Bee]

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ICT another of the only clubs who might gain something.
This now does stink of corruption and collusion but from Hearts and Rangers side.
To come out with it this late has to be a lie.
The season needs shut down tomorrow.

One common denominator amongst the “Three Bandito’s”
Points deduction all-round, once fitba gets back to some normality, if ever.

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Poor piggies

[A Hi-Bee]

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In France Amiens (relegated) and Lyon (miss out on champions league) are also threatening legal action. Unsurprising self interest from teams who if they wanted to avoid bad news should have won more games. I think the main difference between France and Scotland is the Scots have more shreiky infantile language and babyish punditry.

With a lot less cash so cannot be compared to any other country so the game is a wee bit corrupt in Scotland, now that is a surprise, been going on as long as I have followed football in Scotland and thats for more years than I care to remember.
Relegate them now, move on and forget about them i say.

[Ozyhibby]

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How do the other leagues work it?

Pretty sure the English Premiership isn’t a democracy across all member clubs in England?

Happy to be corrected on that front btw, I just think the system we have just now doesn’t really work and seems to throw up issues like this whenever there is a difficult decision to be made.

I appreciate the Premiership down south isn’t a great comparison, how to other countries comparable with us do it? The Scandinavian countries, Croatian, Belgian even? Are they all run as democracies across member clubs?

In most other countries, including in England, the FA run the top league.


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[Since452]

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So what's the details of the alleged bullying?

Who bullied who, and how?

They don't have any details or evidence. Just like Rangers dossier it's just waffle written in a rage.

It's like when you're fuming at work and have an email all typed up, go and do something for 10 mins and come back and decide against it and delete it. ICT didn't delete it.

[Peevemor]

For me the problem isn't the set up.

The SPL was a breakaway private company.

It was problematic & cumbersome to have one set-up for the top league and another for the rest so the SPFL was formed as a members' organisation.

The current issues aren't down to the set-up. The issues are down to a very small minority of clubs who are damaging the image of the game in Scotland due to their self serving, infantile bleating.

[Since452]

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For me the problem isn't the set up.

The SPL was a breakaway private company.

It was problematic & cumbersome to have one set-up for the top league and another for the rest so the SPFL was formed as a members' organisation.

The current issues aren't down to the set-up. The issues are down to a very small minority of clubs who are damaging the image of the game in Scotland due to their self serving, infantile bleating.

Correct. These daft clubs can ram it. Starting to really annoy me

[Ozyhibby]

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For me the problem isn't the set up.

The SPL was a breakaway private company.

It was problematic & cumbersome to have one set-up for the top league and another for the rest so the SPFL was formed as a members' organisation.

The current issues aren't down to the set-up. The issues are down to a very small minority of clubs who are damaging the image of the game in Scotland due to their self serving, infantile bleating.

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Correct. These daft clubs can ram it. Starting to really annoy me

The problem is that the SPFL has no ability to enforce discipline among its members. That is down to the set up and the fact it has previously turned a blind eye to cheating. Everyone is compromised by that.


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[Jdawg]

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I saw that too. Was considering donating £1 with my new name of "You`re down, ya roasters" but you need to donate at least £5 - not stretching that far lol

I will transfer a pound to you. Just need 3 others 😂

[Peevemor]

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The problem is that the SPFL has no ability to enforce discipline among its members. That is down to the set up and the fact it has previously turned a blind eye to cheating. Everyone is compromised by that.


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The SPFL was formed in 2013

What cheating are you on about and how is it relevant to the current situation.

Measures to discipline clubs for stepping out of line can and should be introduced.

[truehibernian]

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The problem is that the SPFL has no ability to enforce discipline among its members. That is down to the set up and the fact it has previously turned a blind eye to cheating. Everyone is compromised by that.


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They do though Ozy - any club who raises a dispute against the SPFL (Board) can have this heard by the full Board or a Commission appointed. So ICT and the other 'squealers' would know there is a process in place to resolve the matter and seek recompense, apology or remedy That's why I'm bemused ICT have not stated whether or not this has happened (and it should have been done in writing if they are professional) and they could clarify how indeed they made this bullying accusation known (email, phone call, conference call, in writing, etc.).

[hibbyfraelibby]

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How do the other leagues work it?

Pretty sure the English Premiership isn’t a democracy across all member clubs in England?

Happy to be corrected on that front btw, I just think the system we have just now doesn’t really work and seems to throw up issues like this whenever there is a difficult decision to be made.

I appreciate the Premiership down south isn’t a great comparison, how to other countries comparable with us do it? The Scandinavian countries, Croatian, Belgian even? Are they all run as democracies across member clubs?

The Football Association Premier League Ltd (FAPL) is operated as a corporation and is owned by the 20 member clubs. Each club is a shareholder, with one vote each on issues such as rule changes and contracts.

Just like here, as it is everywhere, there is ni such thing as an independent organisation.

[Carheenlea]

I wonder if we will have seen the last of Stendal?

In amongst the bleating over relegation and reconstruction there has been little or no chat about the Future of their manager which has quite frankly been a disastrous appointment. Few managers survive a relegation - will Stendal be one who does?

[bingo70]

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I wonder if we will have seen the last of Stendal?

In amongst the bleating over relegation and reconstruction there has been little or no chat about the Future of their manager which has quite frankly been a disastrous appointment. Few managers survive a relegation - will Stendal be one who does?

Let’s not be hasty.

Remember they’re getting expelled, not relegated 😂

[Ozyhibby]

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The SPFL was formed in 2013

What cheating are you on about and how is it relevant to the current situation.

Measures to discipline clubs for stepping out of line can and should be introduced.

The spfl was formed out of the spl. It’s the same people and clubs who are compromised. The mysterious 5 way agreement and the decision to limit the LNS investigation and withhold evidence from it and the now frozen investigation into Rangers 2011 Euro application were all carried out by the people and clubs running the game now. A decision was made to give them a pass and they now feel they can do what they like. And because they do, so do all the other clubs.
A properly functioning governing body would have acted by now to stop the clubs constantly making claims that are not in the interests of the game and not backed up by any evidence.


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[Peevemor]

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The spfl was formed out of the spl. It’s the same people and clubs who are compromised. The mysterious 5 way agreement and the decision to limit the LNS investigation and withhold evidence from it and the now frozen investigation into Rangers 2011 Euro application were all carried out by the people and clubs running the game now. A decision was made to give them a pass and they now feel they can do what they like. And because they do, so do all the other clubs.
A properly functioning governing body would have acted by now to stop the clubs constantly making claims that are not in the interests of the game and not backed up by any evidence.


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It's not the same organisation. (full stop)