Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

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Nadine Dorries

[JeMeSouviens]

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Nadine Dorries

Thicker than a whale omelette.

[Future17]

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Nadine Dorries

Words can't express how angry this makes me.

[Bostonhibby]

Brass neck on show this evening.

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[JeMeSouviens]

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Is the hypocrisy around not taking a paycut while thinking footballers should? Is that what Piers is having a go at him for in that clip?

I don't think they're comparable.

The unspoken inference to the footballers thing is they don't deserve money because they're generally working class or (gasp) foreigners. He wasn't out asking merchant bankers, opera singers or cabinet ministers. It's typical Tory class ridden ********ry.

[danhibees1875]

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The unspoken inference to the footballers thing is they don't deserve money because they're generally working class or (gasp) foreigners. He wasn't out asking merchant bankers, opera singers or cabinet ministers. It's typical Tory class ridden ********ry.

I thought he was specifically asked about footballers at the time?
But you're probably right that he wouldn't have said yes had the question been about bankers though.

I think there's a lot of reasonable arguements that footballers are overpaid without the idea that they're working class (is that even true anymore?) and foreigners. Maybe I'm giving them too much benefit of the doubt there though.

The call for him to have a reduced salary on the back of it seemed a bit of a non-starter for me too. MPs don't get paid a huge amount of money for what they do and he in particular is one of the ones who'll have been busier than ever before. He's world's apart from an elite footballer on £100k+ a week.

[JeMeSouviens]

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I thought he was specifically asked about footballers at the time?
But you're probably right that he wouldn't have said yes had the question been about bankers though.

I think there's a lot of reasonable arguements that footballers are overpaid without the idea that they're working class (is that even true anymore?) and foreigners. Maybe I'm giving them too much benefit of the doubt there though.

The call for him to have a reduced salary on the back of it seemed a bit of a non-starter for me too. MPs don't get paid a huge amount of money for what they do and he in particular is one of the ones who'll have been busier than ever before. He's world's apart from an elite footballer on £100k+ a week.

I don't think there are any reasonable arguments that footballers are overpaid that don't apply to any other group of highly-skilled people who are paid a fortune because there is a demand for their skills. I think footballers are absolutely picked out because of a peculiarly British class-conscious snobbery.

It was populist bandwagon-jumping for a govt minister to single them out and he has been called out for it. The making him squirm about his own salary might be a little unfair but, frankly, he deserves it.

Actually, the question about his own salary started off in the context of NZ govt ministers who have voluntarily signed up for a temporary 20% pay cut.

[Smartie]

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I thought he was specifically asked about footballers at the time?
But you're probably right that he wouldn't have said yes had the question been about bankers though.

I think there's a lot of reasonable arguements that footballers are overpaid without the idea that they're working class (is that even true anymore?) and foreigners. Maybe I'm giving them too much benefit of the doubt there though.

The call for him to have a reduced salary on the back of it seemed a bit of a non-starter for me too. MPs don't get paid a huge amount of money for what they do and he in particular is one of the ones who'll have been busier than ever before. He's world's apart from an elite footballer on £100k+ a week.

They don't, but when the message is "we're all in this together" there is nothing quite like making a gesture than you're going to drop your income by a certain amount to show that we genuinely are.

It doesn't need to be much - just something, anything.

It sends out a good signal, a better one than finger pointing at easy targets.

[lapsedhibee]

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They don't, but when the message is "we're all in this together" there is nothing quite like making a gesture than you're going to drop your income by a certain amount to show that we genuinely are.

It doesn't need to be much - just something, anything.

Like a prime minister living in his home rather than his second home.

[danhibees1875]

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I don't think there are any reasonable arguments that footballers are overpaid that don't apply to any other group of highly-skilled people who are paid a fortune because there is a demand for their skills. I think footballers are absolutely picked out because of a peculiarly British class-conscious snobbery.

It was populist bandwagon-jumping for a govt minister to single them out and he has been called out for it. The making him squirm about his own salary might be a little unfair but, frankly, he deserves it.

Actually, the question about his own salary started off in the context of NZ govt ministers who have voluntarily signed up for a temporary 20% pay cut.

Footballers have every right to try to earn as much as they can, and it's not their fault that the TV deals and sponsorship deals are worth so much money that clubs can afford to pay that much. But someone earning a million pounds a month to play football is crazy.

It probably was a bit of bandwagon jumping and at the time footballers did seem to be a bit harshly rounded upon by various groups. Although, I thought it was more aimed at football clubs - those furloughing non-playing staff while paying those wages - rather than at the footballers themselves.

I didn't catch the interview but what I'd seen about it alluded to NZ MPs taking a pay cut. I'm not sure if there was any reasons behind it or just showing some sort of solidarity but I don't expect politicians here to follow suit.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Footballers have every right to try to earn as much as they can, and it's not their fault that the TV deals and sponsorship deals are worth so much money that clubs can afford to pay that much. But someone earning a million pounds a month to play football is crazy.

It probably was a bit of bandwagon jumping and at the time footballers did seem to be a bit harshly rounded upon by various groups. Although, I thought it was more aimed at football clubs - those furloughing non-playing staff while paying those wages - rather than at the footballers themselves.

I didn't catch the interview but what I'd seen about it alluded to NZ MPs taking a pay cut. I'm not sure if there was any reasons behind it or just showing some sort of solidarity but I don't expect politicians here to follow suit.

No crazier than someone earning a million pounds a month to do anything else.

[danhibees1875]

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No crazier than someone earning a million pounds a month to do anything else.

Depends what that something else is - varying degrees of crazy though.

[lapsedhibee]

Finally we find out why the government didn't want to say who was in SAGE, the people giving out the science which the government is "following":

Cummings is in it.

[Berwickhibby]

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Finally we find out why the government didn't want to say who was in SAGE, the people giving out the science which the government is "following":

Cummings is in it.

Strange I thought he now played for Shrewsbury lol 😂

[HibernianJK]

https://twitter.com/jackson_carlaw/s...134910464?s=21

This mans obsession with the union since he took office has been staggering especially during a crisis like this. I was no fan of Ruth Davidson’s politics but she at least seemed like a competent politician.

This is a big step back for the Scottish Tories IMO. He’s been corrected on virtually every point I’ve seen him make so far.

[Kato]

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https://twitter.com/jackson_carlaw/s...134910464?s=21

This mans obsession with the union since he took office has been staggering especially during a crisis like this. I was no fan of Ruth Davidson’s politics but she at least seemed like a competent politician.

This is a big step back for the Scottish Tories IMO. He’s been corrected on virtually every point I’ve seen him make so far.

He's a weirdo. That's my political outlook on him.

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[HibernianJK]

https://twitter.com/tconnellyrte/sta...670787591?s=21

Interesting thread about the absurdly short memories of Tories despite initial conversation being referenced.

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What are people's thoughts about the contents of Gove's bookshelves?

[Hibby Bairn]

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What are people's thoughts about the contents of Gove's bookshelves?

What? His poems of Robert Burns?

I’ve seen this today on Twitter. People need to chill a bit. Millions of people love true crime (I know plenty who avidly read about serial murderers) but it doesn’t mean they are going to go out and kill someone.

Owen Jones, who started it, is a bit of a prat (imo) but his books are good. I don’t agree with a lot of his off the cuff ramblings but The Establishment is an enlightening read.

Wide reading of all points of view broadens the mind.

[Kato]

Article on Gove's bookshelves.

https://libcom.org/blog/whats-michae...tters-06052020

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[Pretty Boy]

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Article on Gove's bookshelves.

https://libcom.org/blog/whats-michae...tters-06052020

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I had this argument with someone the other day. I enjoy reading or listening to things I don't agree with, I think it's dangerous not to do so. I can actually see a copy of Hitler's War by Irving from where I am sitting.

The difference is when it forms a pattern and hints at being reflective of someone's own behaviour or rhetoric. I think both those accusations could be aimed at Gove with a reasonable level of justification.

[Kato]

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I had this argument with someone the other day. I enjoy reading or listening to things I don't agree with, I think it's dangerous not to do so. I can actually see a copy of a Hitler's War by Irving from where I am sitting.

The difference is when it forms a pattern and hints at being reflective of someone's own behaviour or rhetoric. I think both those accusations could be aimed at Gove without too much effort.

Yup, it comes down to balance.


Gove might well have another book shelf full of modern left-wing authors. That isn't reflected in his own written output or attitudes though so I somehow doubt it.

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[Tomsk]

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I had this argument with someone the other day. I enjoy reading or listening to things I don't agree with, I think it's dangerous not to do so. I can actually see a copy of Hitler's War by Irving from where I am sitting.

The difference is when it forms a pattern and hints at being reflective of someone's own behaviour or rhetoric. I think both those accusations could be aimed at Gove with a reasonable level of justification.

Might make an interesting thread on its own - Books on Your Shelves That Need Some Explanation.

[Callum_62]

How's the testing figures been since that glorious 122k day?

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[Moulin Yarns]

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How's the testing figures been since that glorious 122k day?

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6 days running less than 100,000.

But it's OK, the BBC has reported the somewhat misleading "Italy is the first country to surpass 30,000 deaths in European Union"

True, but a great way to deflect from the truth that the UK passed that number a few days ago.

[Glory Lurker]

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6 days running less than 100,000.

But it's OK, the BBC has reported the somewhat misleading "Italy is the first country to surpass 30,000 deaths in European Union"

True, but a great way to deflect from the truth that the UK passed that number a few days ago.

Eye-popping state broadcasting. Pathetic.

[Killiehibbie]

I can see books about Franco, Mussolini, Hitler, Pol Pot, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, Thatcher, Churchill and Pee Wee Gaskins on the shelf. Not sure who wins as the worst human being between several of them.

[Callum_62]

Shock

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true

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[BroxburnHibee]

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Shock

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true

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No shock to me whatsoever.

Lies lies lies is what he does.

And why not? It's clearly worked for him.

[lapsedhibee]

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No shock to me whatsoever.

Lies lies lies is what he does.

And why not? It's clearly worked for him.

It has, but there are signs in the empty HoC that his luck may be about to run out. If Starmer continues the way he's started, Johnson is going to look foolish week in week out. No-one's subjected him to any sustained scrutiny before. I'm thinking his ego won't take it and he might resign on health grounds. (Also Murdoch may want a different puppet.)