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26-04-2020 09:03 AM #7471
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26-04-2020 09:12 AM #7472This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Last week on one of the slides they stick up at the daily UK press conferences they said that between 85% and 90% of the public had adhered to all the rules on social distancing, exercising and staying at home.
They were happy with that. Probably sounds about right tbh. But the 10% who didn’t represent circa 7 million people.
What can you do? Nothing really. Just look after your own position and hope that everyone else does so too.
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26-04-2020 09:23 AM #7473This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-04-2020 09:31 AM #7474
Prof from Oxford University on Marr has just said he estimates that between 3-10% of the country have been infected.
If we take the middle figure of 6% that's just over 4 million people. If around 50,000 people have died of the virus then the current fatality rate would be just over 1%.
The 50,000 includes elderly in care homes so you would imagine that the actual fatality rate for someone under the age of 60 is going to be significantly less.
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26-04-2020 09:39 AM #7475
I'm not a Scottish Nat but NS came across very well on the Andrew Marr show
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26-04-2020 09:41 AM #7476This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
For all the talk of this crisis having brought the best out in some people (which I agree with), there are others I'm going to have a hard time being civil to after it's over.
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26-04-2020 09:42 AM #7477
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26-04-2020 09:50 AM #7478This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’ve read and watched other epidemiologists and scientists in the past week and there is a wide array of views. Geeks and boffins moment in the sun.
Catherine Calderwood suggested that the infection rate might be 1,000 for each death. That would mean a mortality rate of 0.1%. With likely 40,000 deaths in the UK that would mean 40m infections.
But who knows. No real data. Most are just making it up and best guessing as they go along. “Modelling” which I guess is what they do. But sometimes modelling can be on basis of “***** in ***** out”.
There is a report out tomorrow from Sweden about antibody testing results which have apparently proven to be 100% accurate when going through prelim test phase. So we’ll see what that says. Speculation it will show 30%+ have “had it” in Sweden.Last edited by Hibby Bairn; 26-04-2020 at 09:53 AM.
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26-04-2020 10:00 AM #7479This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The govt say they are following the science and that has now been called into question. They now need to produce the minutes of those meetings. If they don’t then they should not be surprised when public opinion turns against them.
There are people complaining on this thread about people not observing the lockdown but the govt can’t explain where their advice is coming from. It’s no wonder people are easing the lockdown for themselves. It’s a matter of trust.
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26-04-2020 10:12 AM #7480
Interesting background on the Times story from last week and this weeks follow up.
The paper appears to be moving to a more liberal position. Last weeks story got them over £400k worth of new annual subscriptions alone.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/joe...mpression=true
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26-04-2020 10:16 AM #7481This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-04-2020 10:32 AM #7482
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It’s absolutely correct that the data and models being used to inform these meetings should be released though.
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26-04-2020 10:58 AM #7483
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pZeqHL...ature=youtu.be
It’s up to individuals what and who they want to believe but I did find this interesting.Last edited by PaulSmith; 26-04-2020 at 11:28 AM.
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26-04-2020 11:07 AM #7484This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuotePM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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26-04-2020 11:20 AM #7485This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-04-2020 11:24 AM #7486This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-04-2020 12:21 PM #7487
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26-04-2020 12:27 PM #7488
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https://www.gov.uk/government/groups...-sage#meetings
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26-04-2020 01:04 PM #7489
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26-04-2020 01:05 PM #7490
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26-04-2020 01:29 PM #7491This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
btw, I think the 30% guesstimate is specifically for Stockholm.
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26-04-2020 01:33 PM #7492This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-04-2020 01:35 PM #7493
Other sage attenders are whistle blowing ...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...minic-cummings
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26-04-2020 01:49 PM #7494This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-04-2020 01:51 PM #7495This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
BTW if you take the numbers of deaths v population of New York State then at 0.1% you would have 60% having been infected. Very unlikely. But who knows?
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26-04-2020 01:55 PM #7496This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-04-2020 02:30 PM #7498This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-04-2020 03:49 PM #7499
“Tom Gordon from The Herald points out that when it emerged a week ago that Boris Johnson had missed five meetings of the emergency Cobra committee in January and February, SNP MP Ian Blackford accused the UK government of "jaw dropping negligence and complacency". He wonders if the same applies to Nicola Sturgeon as the first minister "missed those same meetings".
Scottish Health Secretary Jeane Freeman points out that, as the Covid-19 crisis was being looked at "from a health perspective" in the early stages, she had personally attended all Cobra meetings, chaired by Secretary of State for Health Matt Hancock, from the very beginning, apart from one.
The first minister had taken part from 2 March as "wider decisions" were being taken that affected society as a whole.
However, Ms Freeman stresses that the Scottish government had set up its own "resilience operation" as far back as late January to plan for the pandemic, and this had been chaired by the first minister”
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26-04-2020 03:53 PM #7500This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As such the public, who's lives are being impacted and in some cases lost due to said science, should be fully aware of who is advising and who is potentially influencing that advice for ideological reasons.
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