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[brog]

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I've got some out of date self raising flour they could have for the next cake bake but I'd like some say in what sort of cakes they make this time around.

That battenberg one that they eventually turned into a football strip made me think they weren't worth saving the last time.

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Flour's probably worth more than Hearts right now!

[Tyler Durden]

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Clause 12 would still apply in the Championship, if that's what you mean?

I’m assuming the prior post meant that at the point the season is called, it’s no longer suspended. Therefore the clause no longer applies

[Waxy]

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Flour's probably worth more than Hearts right now!

Its no easy to get. My missus got some the other day, havent seen her that happy before.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I’m assuming the prior post meant that at the point the season is called, it’s no longer suspended. Therefore the clause no longer applies

Gotcha.

It's suspended until the SFA says it's not, though. It's the SFA's call, not the SPFL.

[Hibby70]

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Its no easy to get. My missus got some the other day, havent seen her that happy before.

Maybe it's the thought of finally getting something to rise!
😬

[NC1875]

The Gorgie Hitlers at it again. Players won’t be paid a penny unless they agree to wage cuts.

How has she been a successful businesswomen? She couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

[Jim44]

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Flour's probably worth more than Hearts right now!

Who kneeds flour?

[Waxy]

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Maybe it's the thought of finally getting something to rise!
😬

😮 I wait till shes fast asleep before i creep into pit.

[Joe6-2]

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Who kneeds flour?

Some mad woman in need of dough

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Gotcha.

It's suspended until the SFA says it's not, though. It's the SFA's call, not the SPFL.

I assume you mean the SFA in addition to the SPFL must call the season closed. In their case by declaring Celtic winners of the Scottish Cup?😉

[CropleyWasGod]

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I assume you mean the SFA in addition to the SPFL must call the season closed. In their case by declaring Celtic winners of the Scottish Cup?😉

No

The SFA have suspended all football until June. Even if the SPFL closed the league season tomorrow, there would still be a suspension of football.

So, until the SFA lift that suspension, Clause 12 can still be used.

[JohnMcM]

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They have to pay the wages first themselves before they get the furlough money back from Government but they didn't furlough the players in time for the cut off

[greenginger]

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Worry ye not. The producer was interviewed last week and said the cameras are still rolling and complying with social distancing. He also said that there was no "Get out clause" in the contract. Initially it was to be 3 x 1hr programmes but that before the Jambo comedy festival started. They said that it was an access all areas and that they had microphones in the home dugout.

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/arti...le-documentary

Two Rivers media are producing the comedy. “ To show the complex business of running a premier league football club “

[Tyler Durden]

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No

The SFA have suspended all football until June. Even if the SPFL closed the league season tomorrow, there would still be a suspension of football.

So, until the SFA lift that suspension, Clause 12 can still be used.

Not sure I agree that’s the case but as with many things around Scottish football governance, there is a total lack of clarity.

[Peevemor]

Dearie me ! That statement's all over the place (as usual).

She says that the players "unanimously" understand the circumstances. What a pointless thing to say, apart from trying to portray an image of unity that obviously doesn't exist.

She goes on

"I am an owner and supporter who is committed to the journey of full fan ownership"

but also

"As a fan-owned club we are unable to take on a substantial amount of player debt"

Is this another "your share certificates are in the post" episode?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Not sure I agree that’s the case but as with many things around Scottish football governance, there is a total lack of clarity.

I agree the general point, but Clause 12 seems clear to me on who has the power to suspend:-

“In the event of the Scottish FA deciding that the game shall be suspended, either entirely or in any district or districts as provided for in the articles of association of the Scottish FA, this agreement shall be correspondingly suspended, unless the club is exempted from such suspension or the club otherwise determines.”

[Irish_Steve]

Just pinched this from Brokeback - I highlighted the bit on bold

Dear Pledger

Following today’s club statement, the Foundation board has discussed the issues arising from that and I want to pass on to you our views.

There are two over-riding and linked principles which the statement makes clear. First, that the club’s business plan is geared to ensuring the sustainability of the club through and after the impact of Covid-19. Secondly, that decisions and actions taken now should not result in football debt being passed on to the next owners of the club. These are principles which, not surprisingly, we endorse wholeheartedly. We all know the impact of the club being burdened by debt and after the years of financial support which supporters have given to the club through the Foundation, to be placed in that situation once again at the very time that fan ownership becomes a reality would be quite intolerable

We therefore welcome the chairwoman’s stance on this and are in full agreement with the proposals she has outlined. We are very grateful to those players who have already declared their support and acceptance of the temporary measures. Others need time to process and discuss the situation based on their own personal circumstances and this too we absolutely appreciate.

We would also like to pay tribute to the staff of the club. They have gone the extra mile to help its long-term future and we truly appreciate that.

Everyone involved at this great club is making concessions right now, not least the fans who – in the most challenging of circumstances - are continuing to pledge and are supporting the club in other ways such as season ticket purchases. The lessons of the past are burned deeply in the Gorgie psyche. We have all learned from them, and the board of the Foundation will always support strategies which prevent past mistakes being repeated.

Together, with some challenges, we know, we can safeguard the future of Heart of Midlothian - something the Hearts community has done in the recent past and which I have no doubt we will all do again now.

Thank you for your unbelievable support, and please stay safe and stay well.

Kind regards
Stuart Wallace
Chair, Foundation of Hearts

[Hibs4185]

Budge surely can put the £2.4 million she has just received back into the club, pay the players. Another 2 years of donations to pay her back but at least they would be doing the right thing.

Absolutely disgusting threatening the players like this. They really are a shower of *hite and I hope they get what they deserve.

To all the hearts players. Stay strong. She will cave, there is absolutely no chance she will tarnish her legacy by invoking clause 12 and the legal disputes this will cause.

[malcolm]

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No

The SFA have suspended all football until June. Even if the SPFL closed the league season tomorrow, there would still be a suspension of football.

So, until the SFA lift that suspension, Clause 12 can still be used.

Yes but can it be used for some players and not others which would seem to be contrary to the intention of the clause? If you can use it in such a scattergun way then there is a risk of them breaking the law. For example if the Scots players accept a variation and they end up suspending a contract of a non Scottish player. That player may claim they are being discriminated against if say the Scots or British players are not being suspended.

I can quite understand, if there is little money in the pot, attempts to keep things running but the approach seems quite brutal so presumably either reflects their cultural approach to business or is high end desperation.

[Iggy Pope]

Gorgie psyche? Christ almighty.

[Liam978]

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Flour's probably worth more than Hearts right now!

As is the loyalty our club are showing to their fans at the moment Brian. Many of us will lose our seats held for many years due to the policy that means, sell them something that might never exist whether they can afford it at this present time or not.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Yes but can it be used for some players and not others which would seem to be contrary to the intention of the clause? If you can use it in such a scattergun way then there is a risk of them breaking the law. For example if the Scots players accept a variation and they end up suspending a contract of a non Scottish player. That player may claim they are being discriminated against if say the Scots or British players are not being suspended.

I can quite understand, if there is little money in the pot, attempts to keep things running but the approach seems quite brutal so presumably either reflects their cultural approach to business or is high end desperation.

Scattergun sounds good to me.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Gorgie psyche? Christ almighty.

A typo away from describing Drew Busby.

[Iggy Pope]

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As is the loyalty our club are showing to their fans at the moment Brian. Many of us will lose our seats held for many years due to the policy that means, sell them something that might never exist whether they can afford it at this present time or not.

I’m not getting the gist of this one Liam.

[Irish_Steve]

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A typo away from describing Drew Busby.

Porgie???? ;)

[Tyler Durden]

They want to be lauded for this “unique fan ownership model” but can’t deal with the realities of actually running a club.

They don’t seem to appreciate that they took on a debt the moment they signed the contracts of the huge number of player and coaching staff.

Pathetic.

[Iggy Pope]

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A typo away from describing Drew Busby.

. Not the Christ bit, obviously.

[CropleyWasGod]

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. Not the Christ bit, obviously.

Auntie Christ

[Iggy Pope]

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Auntie Christ

You’re on form.

[Waxy]

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Just pinched this from Brokeback - I highlighted the bit on bold

Dear Pledger

Following today’s club statement, the Foundation board has discussed the issues arising from that and I want to pass on to you our views.

There are two over-riding and linked principles which the statement makes clear. First, that the club’s business plan is geared to ensuring the sustainability of the club through and after the impact of Covid-19. Secondly, that decisions and actions taken now should not result in football debt being passed on to the next owners of the club. These are principles which, not surprisingly, we endorse wholeheartedly. We all know the impact of the club being burdened by debt and after the years of financial support which supporters have given to the club through the Foundation, to be placed in that situation once again at the very time that fan ownership becomes a reality would be quite intolerable

We therefore welcome the chairwoman’s stance on this and are in full agreement with the proposals she has outlined. We are very grateful to those players who have already declared their support and acceptance of the temporary measures. Others need time to process and discuss the situation based on their own personal circumstances and this too we absolutely appreciate.

We would also like to pay tribute to the staff of the club. They have gone the extra mile to help its long-term future and we truly appreciate that.

Everyone involved at this great club is making concessions right now, not least the fans who – in the most challenging of circumstances - are continuing to pledge and are supporting the club in other ways such as season ticket purchases. The lessons of the past are burned deeply in the Gorgie psyche. We have all learned from them, and the board of the Foundation will always support strategies which prevent past mistakes being repeated.

Together, with some challenges, we know, we can safeguard the future of Heart of Midlothian - something the Hearts community has done in the recent past and which I have no doubt we will all do again now.

Thank you for your unbelievable support, and please stay safe and stay well.

Kind regards
Stuart Wallace
Chair, Foundation of Hearts

Your talkin crap pal. You lot are paying double wages to we we are and we’re same size clubs. Cheats.