KP - Hibs Voting Intentions

[Onion]

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The vote is about so much more than that. Whatever happens to hearts is just collateral damage.

Collateral is something of value. Think you mean waste disposal.

[lord bunberry]

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That's not what this vote is about, though.

It’s not, but the model will almost certainly be used to decide the top league as well. There will have to be another vote on that, but it’s unlikely that clubs in the top flight would change their vote. Obviously we would then have another vote on reconstruction.

[CropleyWasGod]

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It’s not, but the model will almost certainly be used to decide the top league as well. There will have to be another vote on that, but it’s unlikely that clubs in the top flight would change their vote. Obviously we would then have another vote on reconstruction.

Is that the case, though? A couple of clubs might prefer to wait and see for a few weeks, at which point their view hardens.

[Gloucester Hibs]

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Woah, easy. I said that. I realised within about two seconds of the final whistle I was wrong but in the run up, all I cared about about was promotion.


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Appreciate that mate, wasn't meaning it as a dig or a smug "I told you so" at you or other fellow supporters, guess I could've worded it better

On the financials alone it probably comes to whether you believe the loss in revenue from one or possibly 2 derbies can be offset by selling extra seats e.g. against Dundee United and longer term further establishing ourselves as Edinburgh's premier club (more appealing to new fans etc). Although a large part of me does also just want to see Hearts suffer!

[mcfly]

Hibs are treading a dangerous path with their fans if they vote to keep hearts up. I would not be happy about it

How will fans feel when hearts overspend again on players they can’t afford and beat us at Easter road?

Just saying if we had done our job at home this year against them this wouldn’t be up for argument as they’d be down already.

[Ozyhibby]

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Appreciate that mate, wasn't meaning it as a dig or a smug "I told you so" at you or other fellow supporters, guess I could've worded it better

On the financials alone it probably comes to whether you believe the loss in revenue from one or possibly 2 derbies can be offset by selling extra seats e.g. against Dundee United and longer term further establishing ourselves as Edinburgh's premier club (more appealing to new fans etc). Although a large part of me does also just want to see Hearts suffer!

It’s more about risking the new tv deal and shortening next season by trying to finish this one in August/September. Club have just passed 3000 season tickets. Are they going to have to tell those fans that next season won’t be as long because we are determined to finish this one?


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[Peevemor]

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Look mate, I have nothing against you and I'm sure like me, you have the best interests of the Club at heart.

You went off on one for me posting a link to a newspaper article which summarises the premier club's positions. That is 100% relevant to the thread and I don't see why somehow it shouldn't be out in the open or covered up.

We clearly disagree on Hibs' approach on this and I'm happy to have a debate about it, but please leave personal slurs out of it.

That's my point though.

You seem to be criticising Hibs' approach. You're saying that the "vast majority" of supporters will be unhappy with it.

The thing is, we don't know what Hibs approach is (apart from Leeann Dempster saying that we shouldn't rush into things).

There's outrage for no reason.

[lord bunberry]

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Is that the case, though? A couple of clubs might prefer to wait and see for a few weeks, at which point their view hardens.

It’s possible if the virus clears away quicker than anticipated that clubs will change their minds and vote to wait and see if the games can be played. The vote today sets the precedent for the most likely outcome for the premiership though.

[The Harp Awakes]

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That's my point though.

You seem to be criticising Hibs' approach. You're saying that the "vast majority" of supporters will be unhappy with it.

The thing is, we don't know what Hibs approach is (apart from Leeann Dempster saying that we shouldn't rush into things).

There's outrage for no reason.

Ok, let's see how it goes today. I am concerned that the Club make the same mistake they made over the Rangers debacle, where we voted against an independent inquiry.

I don't want a them and us situation again between supporters and Club, and I am fearful that will happen if Hibs vote No today.

[Peevemor]

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Ok, let's see how it goes today. I am concerned that the Club make the same mistake they made over the Rangers debacle, where we voted against an independent inquiry.

I don't want a them and us situation again between supporters and Club, and I am fearful that will happen if Hibs vote No today.

Today's vote isn't only about relegating Hearts (which won't even be decided either way). There's more to it than that.

Some clubs may be happy to see Hearts relegated but will vote no for other reasons.

[Box 17]

With the overall Covid 19 situation changing by the day you can understand why they don't want to make a final decision at this point. The lockdown may well be relaxed in the next month or so and there might be an opportunity to play the remaining games, perhaps behind closed doors. Who knows?

I doubt if relegating Hearts is a major factor in LD's thoughts, she is probably more concerned about the financial cost of calling the season and having to refund season ticket holders for the un-played games.

[The Harp Awakes]

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Today's vote isn't only about relegating Hearts (which won't even be decided either way). There's more to it than that.

Some clubs may be happy to see Hearts relegated but will vote no for other reasons.

Agree that today's vote doesn't create any certainty, and that regardless of the outcome Hearts won't be relegated today.

However, a Yes vote today makes it likely Hearts will be relegated given that it is virtually certain games won't be completed. The decision would be ratified when UEFA accept this position.

League reconstruction is the only other way Hearts will be saved, which I've already said I wouldn't have a big problem with if it was for the good of Hibs and Scottish football. Can't see reconstruction happening though as 1 of the OF would need to be on board. No chance.

[Brightside]

What time is the vote?

[Caversham Green]

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How does saving Hearts ensure we finish 6th and receive an extra £130k??

It doesn't.

Accepting the recommendations on the table (assuming it eventually extends to the premiership) promotes St Johnstone to sixth place and costs us the extra prize money. My post was suggesting that if the poll question was worded in that way rather than implying that the vote was all about relegating Hearts - which it isn't and never will be - then the results would have been very different. Not accepting the recommendations means that other methods of assessing the final placings will have to be considered. Assuming some sort of outcome prediction for the missed games is not feasible my choice would be to take the tables as they stand rather than applying the points per game method. No course of action can be 100% fair but the proposed course of action is unfair on our club IMO.

PS I see someone over on JKB has suggested penalty shootouts with social distancing precautions to settle the remaining games - if the scores are level after all the penalties have been taken the game is a draw. Not sure how feasible that is but it's not a bad idea on the face of it.

[we are hibs]

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I'd prefer it if you didn't put words in my mouth.

How massively ironic.

[JeMeSouviens]

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What time is the vote?

Deadline for clubs getting votes to the SPFL is 5pm. No idea when they'll announce the result.

[Peevemor]

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How massively ironic.

Explain?

[The 90+2]

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Deadline for clubs getting votes to the SPFL is 5pm. No idea when they'll announce the result.

So it will be the Good Friday or No Friday agreement then?

[The Baldmans Comb]

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With the overall Covid 19 situation changing by the day you can understand why they don't want to make a final decision at this point. The lockdown may well be relaxed in the next month or so and there might be an opportunity to play the remaining games, perhaps behind closed doors. Who knows?

I doubt if relegating Hearts is a major factor in LD's thoughts, she is probably more concerned about the financial cost of calling the season and having to refund season ticket holders for the un-played games.

There is no football in Scotland until at earliest 1st August being 6 weeks after the 10th June legal date given and that is just being hugely optimistic.

Hence there is no time to complete this season unless you shorten next season and that isn't on anyone's agenda.

Its null and void or call it as it stands unless a miracle solution is found.

I had actually forgotten about season tickets money for this year being refunded but don't remotely think that is on Hibs agenda either which is fair enough in the circumstances.

[Hibs90]

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Today's vote isn't only about relegating Hearts (which won't even be decided either way). There's more to it than that.

Some clubs may be happy to see Hearts relegated but will vote no for other reasons.

Might not be decided today but will point the SPFL in the right direction. Stop pretending otherwise.

[Peevemor]

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Might not be decided today but will point the SPFL in the right direction. Stop pretending otherwise.

Great. Another one!

[RoYO!]

League reconstruction= TV deal reconstruction.

Yes or no?

Simply put the OF derbies are the highlight for sky- by a distance. Second place... Edinburgh derby?

Theres no chance sky are going to agree to a league format where they dont get their 4 OF league games a season.

Going back to ask them to consider this may even jeopardize the current deal.

So what are we left with? Finish the games before next season- not possible. Void season- not happening..

Bye hearts!

[Ozyhibby]

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[neilf27]

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There is no football in Scotland until at earliest 1st August being 6 weeks after the 10th June legal date given and that is just being hugely optimistic.

Hence there is no time to complete this season unless you shorten next season and that isn't on anyone's agenda.

Its null and void or call it as it stands unless a miracle solution is found.

I had actually forgotten about season tickets money for this year being refunded but don't remotely think that is on Hibs agenda either which is fair enough in the circumstances.

Would next season need to be shortened though, if the current season was played to the end whenever it's safe. If 20/21 won't be finished by next May/the Euro Championships, can't we just conclude it after next summer? Just push everything back and slightly compress it until we're back to 'normal' timelines. Nobody really knows when we can resume, so if we end this season now there's no guarantee next season will be on schedule anyway.

For the player contracts side of things mentioned, I'm maybe not understanding that either. There's can be a lot of squad rotation in January transfer window and no talk of unfairness. Transfer windows could be relaxed or shifted. It's a team game regardless of who's available.

In terms of prize money/finances, couldn't clubs be paid out the majority now with the rest of the cash to follow? I think I saw Motherwell were awarded top 6 money as that was guaranteed?

For the TV deal, the games would all be played, we just don't know when, that's the case regardless of ending this season now or in 6 months time.

I've been avoiding most of this so may be repeating old arguments but haven't seen anything to convince me we can't resume the season with someone sitting down and re-planning timelines, as and when we know more.

[greenginger]

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Appreciate that mate, wasn't meaning it as a dig or a smug "I told you so" at you or other fellow supporters, guess I could've worded it better

On the financials alone it probably comes to whether you believe the loss in revenue from one or possibly 2 derbies can be offset by selling extra seats e.g. against Dundee United and longer term further establishing ourselves as Edinburgh's premier club (more appealing to new fans etc). Although a large part of me does also just want to see Hearts suffer!

At the AGM Ron Gordon said his aim was to double commercial revenue for the club.

Having our Gorgie chums out of the top tier for a season or more would give us a great opportunity to secure some new deals.

However , if we are seen as a partisan club leading the call to relegate our rivals, that might not go down well in the corporate world .

Ours should be seen as a considerate approach and their relegation as An unavoidable consequence of circumstance.

No no blood on our hands. !

[Lee Marvin]

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Carnage about to unfold on here

[Ozyhibby]

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Carnage about to unfold on here

By keeping quiet we are going to be seen as the deciding vote.


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[Lee Marvin]

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By keeping quiet we are going to be seen as the deciding vote.


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Exactly. Massive moment for LD, absolutely massive

[Greenworld]

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Exactly. Massive moment for LD, absolutely massive

Don't let us down thousands of season tickets are riding on this

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[Lee Marvin]

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Don't let us down thousands of season tickets are riding on this

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I genuinely believe there are. Myself included.