KP - Hibs Voting Intentions

[Onion]

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LOL - she absolutely should not. I think this thread illustrates perfectly why supporters should not have any input into the running of a football club.

Hibs is a football team - but it's also a business employing a large number of people. As such, I'm sure that the Board will make the decision based on what is best for the club - and not just to score a point against another team

Of course fans views need to be taken into account ! These are just 2 extremes where in reality the proper approach will often lie somewhere in between. Sometimes decisions need to made to protect sporting integrity or to ensure the game does not get brought into disrepute. Not everything needs to be or should be driven by short term finances.

Was it right to put Sevco into the 3rd tier when they went bust and everyone as screaming Armageddon? Absolutely. If money was the pure driver for all decisions, then we might as well have rules that no big club can be relegated or go out of business. Let's give Hearts a bunch of "get out of Jail" cards, interest-free loans. Throw games if their Prem position looks precarious or reconstruct the league so bad things don't happen.

Hearts put themselves in this position, no one else. Hibs tried their best to help them on the field, and it STILL wasn't good enough. No one can save them from themselves ! Their financial mismanagement, awful football, dreadful management decisions are the reason they find themselves in danger. We did nothing to put them there, so have no obligation to dig them out of a hole.

Hibs decision needs to balanced - finance (long & short term), sporting fairness, integrity of the league, expectation of fans incl value for money, other club behaviours and prudence, pragmatism all need to be weighed up. How fans feel about things absolutely MUST be part of that.

[Vault Boy]

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Even if the decision is ultimately the wrong one? There’s no be no questioning just blind faith it’s for the best regardless of what the support want?

Leeann Dempster is better qualified than you or any other supporter who just wants to end the season now because Hearts happen to be bottom.

Leeann might vote in line with what you want, she might not, but either way she's in a much better position to make that judgement call. That's my point. She won't (and shouldn't) make a decision based on pandering to the emotional reaction of our support.

[Caversham Green]

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And what’s best for the club? Surely it’s to vote for the proposal taking hearts out the equation.

Or do you mean some will back the clubs decision blindly and ask no questions believing it’s in the best interests?

I think some believe that Leeann Dempster and the board are in a better position to judge what's best for the club than some random internet nutters with an agenda.

Voting for the proposal that's currently on the table that also takes Hearts out of the equation costs us at least £130k. Hearts staying in the league costs us nothing but may benefit us from increased revenues from Derbies. It's not all about money but in these times money has to play a huge part. I don't see any material gain for Hibs arising purely from Hearts being relegated.

For the record I would love to see Hearts get what they deserve but the situation we are in now is far too serious to let petty local rivalries get in the way of getting the big decisions right. That's why I think LD is right in suggesting we take a step back. If she's also suggesting restructuring the league purely to accommodate Hearts then I think she is very wrong.

Do you really think that Hearts should be relegated regardless of the damage that does to Hibs?

[Radium]

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If the cash gets shared before the vote then the vote will never happen and we’ll be talking about this all summer.


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[AgentDaleCooper]

the league badly needs reconstruction IMO. I don't care if it lets them off the hook, it'll benefit everyone in the long run.

[Caversham Green]

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90% would say your wrong .

If the poll was anything like rational you'd have a point. In truth the question is hugely biased towards the vote that's been achieved. If the question was 'Do you want Hearts to be relegated' I would certainly have voted yes. If it was do you want the club to concede 6th place to St Johnstone and give them £130k I would say the outcome would be very different.

[CMurdoch]

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https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...y-calm-2533749

I dont think LD says anything particularly controversial in this article.

If anything, the underlying tone is - lets see what happens next in the lockdown and make a decision on this and next season.

For me, that seems to mean that (when, not if) the UK and Scottish govts tell us that we are effectively in lockdown for another X weeks that football and Hibs will make a decision then.

She is fairly clear that she doesnt see voiding the season as an option and has told Budge that.

I should say that I want Hearts relegated, they deserve to be relegated and I would hate it to be Hibs that saved them.

This issue doesnt really impact on the ST renewal as I dont have the cash (and am self emp with zero income) to get one right now.

Everything she says in this acticle makes sense.

[JimBHibees]

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Everything she says in this acticle makes sense.

Makes complete sense some hysteria on the back of sensible comments imo.

[steviehibsleith]

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I think some believe that Leeann Dempster and the board are in a better position to judge what's best for the club than some random internet nutters with an agenda.

Voting for the proposal that's currently on the table that also takes Hearts out of the equation costs us at least £130k. Hearts staying in the league costs us nothing but may benefit us from increased revenues from Derbies. It's not all about money but in these times money has to play a huge part. I don't see any material gain for Hibs arising purely from Hearts being relegated.

For the record I would love to see Hearts get what they deserve but the situation we are in now is far too serious to let petty local rivalries get in the way of getting the big decisions right. That's why I think LD is right in suggesting we take a step back. If she's also suggesting restructuring the league purely to accommodate Hearts then I think she is very wrong.

Do you really think that Hearts should be relegated regardless of the damage that does to Hibs?

For Hearts to remain in the SPL - Assuming that Dundee Utd are coming up then the only option is allowing 2 up to balance the League.

So we lose £130 k Derby revenue if they are relegated

If they stay up with 1 other we lose £600k per year for the next 5 years....

Th New Sky Sports deal with only The SPL to show 48 Premier league fixtures is worth £150 MILLION over 5 years. This is only for SPL - Money for SPL Teams .Cup games Is BT and BBC is separate and this starts in August.

Aberdeen chairman in Sportsound at weekend spoke about this deal and reason he believed no reconstruction would go ahead as every SPL team stood to Lose£600 K per year if two more teams were added.

[Hibs90]

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Thanks for the sample poll and feedback, fantastic insight - genuinely appreciate all of them, very helpful. It is always difficult to represent every view and I would never state we (the collective) are X or Y exclusively. The aim of the role is there is a “supporter voice” on the Board and I’ll pass these comments on as verbatim/as is.

I don’t want to give a politician answer about making decisions remembering the legal and financial responsibilities to the club, I want to give more than that - Hibs will do what is right thing to do and what is right for us (club and support). I’ve not seen anything that would make me doubt they would.

Still a long way to go - this week isn’t the end game on this, still too many moving parts. The club taking the lead to ask for clarity, understand all specifics and call for purposeful conversations to make big decisions is sensible but doesn’t nail their colours to any decision.

I suspect if you put the sample poll across the overall fanbase the results would be similar. Perhaps other forums and social media could run a poll.

I agree with others, I won't be renewing if Hibs vote saves Hearts from relegation.

[Scotty Leither]

Having had a look at the statement from LD online it's pretty bland stuff to be honest, I find the Aberdeen chairman's comments more telling about every club losing £600k if we let 2 more teams in the league, and if that is this indeed the case I suspect there's only one way Hibs and the majority of the SPL will be voting as regards league reconstruction.

What I would say about this thread though, is that those with blind faith in our Board to make the "right or morally correct decision" is not a healthy stance to take, and an internet forum is the standard vehicle these days to take an opposite view or share your opinion.

If that filters back to the Board, then all well and good as that's healthy and democratic - just think if we'd let a previous administration have their way and move us to Straiton, then we might well have been playing if front of sub-7k crowds, and praying for league reconstruction ourselves.

[Caversham Green]

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For Hearts to remain in the SPL - Assuming that Dundee Utd are coming up then the only option is allowing 2 up to balance the League.

So we lose £130 k Derby revenue if they are relegated

If they stay up with 1 other we lose £600k per year for the next 5 years....

Th New Sky Sports deal with only The SPL to show 48 Premier league fixtures is worth £150 MILLION over 5 years. This is only for SPL - Money for SPL Teams .Cup games Is BT and BBC is separate and this starts in August.

Aberdeen chairman in Sportsound at weekend spoke about this deal and reason he believed no reconstruction would go ahead as every SPL team stood to Lose£600 K per year if two more teams were added.

I said voting for the proposal that's on the table would cost us £130k - there are other options that don't seem to have been explored. I would simply go for taking the table as it currently stands and relegate Hearts while Hibs retain the position they've achieved on the field but that option doesn't seem to be available and I'm probably biased there anyway. Alternatively I would look at a model that either predicts results of the fixtures that won't be played or allocates points based on previous results. For example we were due to play St Johnstone next and we've previously won one drawn one with them so we get (say) 2.5 points for the fixture and they get 0.5 (please don't get hung up on the maths here a different allocation might well be fairer).

My view is that a 14 club Premiership next season does not solve any of the problems that the current situation presents and should not be up for consideration.

[we are hibs]

Livi will be voting in favour.

[The 90+2]

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Leeann Dempster is better qualified than you or any other supporter who just wants to end the season now because Hearts happen to be bottom.

Leeann might vote in line with what you want, she might not, but either way she's in a much better position to make that judgement call. That's my point. She won't (and shouldn't) make a decision based on pandering to the emotional reaction of our support.

Did I say otherwise? I wouldn’t just blindly accept what she votes without any reasoning though. Which seems to be a line trotted by some with the “club knows best” motto.

[Hibs90]

Livingston confirm they are voting in favour.

[hibeerealist]

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Why can't you (and others) just accept what she's saying at face value - ie. the goalposts are shifitng all the time and there's no way a decision should be made right now?

It needs to be made by 5pm tomorrow in order to save a number of clubs.

Why delay? There will be no football before July / August then you need to get the players fit to play and of course we have to take into account the new season with the new TV deal which is due to start in August!

As a director of HFC she will know much more than we do however, it is NOT realistic to finish the season nor void it therefore it needs to be called.

[The 90+2]

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I think some believe that Leeann Dempster and the board are in a better position to judge what's best for the club than some random internet nutters with an agenda.

Voting for the proposal that's currently on the table that also takes Hearts out of the equation costs us at least £130k. Hearts staying in the league costs us nothing but may benefit us from increased revenues from Derbies. It's not all about money but in these times money has to play a huge part. I don't see any material gain for Hibs arising purely from Hearts being relegated.

For the record I would love to see Hearts get what they deserve but the situation we are in now is far too serious to let petty local rivalries get in the way of getting the big decisions right. That's why I think LD is right in suggesting we take a step back. If she's also suggesting restructuring the league purely to accommodate Hearts then I think she is very wrong.

Do you really think that Hearts should be relegated regardless of the damage that does to Hibs?

They are yes. But I wouldn’t just back the board blindly against voting against what happens should the Premier League have to end.

Voting for the proposal doesn’t cost us anything - it isn’t a vote on the top league at all. It’s a vote on the lower leagues with the extension to the premiership if the league cannot get complete at a later date.

I think Hearts should be relegated if the season has to end and they find themselves bottom, of course, it’s the fairest way. Losing a derby is the price to pay then that’s that. We try our best to sell out the Dundee Utd home games.

[weecounty hibby]

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Livingston confirm they are voting in favour.

Big Marv is a legend. Clearly has a big say on things at Livingston!!!

[WhileTheChief..]

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Exactly. This decision is about reason, not emotion.

Take the emotion away and we’re left with nothing.

My point is that if Hearts has approached this is a different manner they might have had some sympathy from other clubs.

They chose to speak about lawyers from the get go. Threats of legal action by Budge as well as the nonsense spoken on Kickback.

If you want to focus on reason though, how is it in Hibs best interest for Hearts to stay in the league when they continue to spend money they don’t have to improve their chances of qualifying for Europe?

[Since452]

Livingston using common sense

[The 90+2]

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Livingston using common sense

Boycotts from the maroon and blue £ all round then.

[EVENTUALLY]

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I think some believe that Leeann Dempster and the board are in a better position to judge what's best for the club than some random internet nutters with an agenda.

Voting for the proposal that's currently on the table that also takes Hearts out of the equation costs us at least £130k. Hearts staying in the league costs us nothing but may benefit us from increased revenues from Derbies. It's not all about money but in these times money has to play a huge part. I don't see any material gain for Hibs arising purely from Hearts being relegated.

For the record I would love to see Hearts get what they deserve but the situation we are in now is far too serious to let petty local rivalries get in the way of getting the big decisions right. That's why I think LD is right in suggesting we take a step back. If she's also suggesting restructuring the league purely to accommodate Hearts then I think she is very wrong.

Do you really think that Hearts should be relegated regardless of the damage that does to Hibs?

At the recent AGM our chairman made it clear that he wants Hibs to be the biggest sporting institution in the city, he said it was very important.
It will be a lot easier to take the 1st steps of that ambition if Hearts are playing in a lower division. I think Hibs will vote in favour, look out for themselves and not worry about the consequences of Hearts financial difficulties and sporting failure.

[The 90+2]

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Take the emotion away and we’re left with nothing.

My point is that if Hearts has approached this is a different manner they might have had some sympathy from other clubs.

They chose to speak about lawyers from the get go. Threats of legal action by Budge as well as the nonsense spoken on Kickback.

If you want to focus on reason though, how is it in Hibs best interest for Hearts to stay in the league when they continue to spend money they don’t have to improve their chances of qualifying for Europe?

Exactly and the bottom bits a great point, they stay up they will spend money they don’t have to beat us to players as per usual. I can’t see why that would be in our clubs best interests? A weakened Hearts would be great news for the club.

[Vault Boy]

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Take the emotion away and we’re left with nothing.

My point is that if Hearts has approached this is a different manner they might have had some sympathy from other clubs.

They chose to speak about lawyers from the get go. Threats of legal action by Budge as well as the nonsense spoken on Kickback.

If you want to focus on reason though, how is it in Hibs best interest for Hearts to stay in the league when they continue to spend money they don’t have to improve their chances of qualifying for Europe?

Take emotion away and you have reason.

I'm not saying Hearts staying up IS in Hibs best interest, I've not said anything like that. I've said Leeann is in a much better position to weigh up the options than any fan is. The decision won't be made lightly and it'll be made with the best intentions for the club.

There are plenty of pros and cons for any potential outcome, it's not reasonable to act as if there's only one option just because it's Hearts.

[c31]

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Leeann Dempster is better qualified than you or any other supporter who just wants to end the season now because Hearts happen to be bottom.

Leeann might vote in line with what you want, she might not, but either way she's in a much better position to make that judgement call. That's my point. She won't (and shouldn't) make a decision based on pandering to the emotional reaction of our support.<

She really should. If the support don't support her, she is finished...

[Vault Boy]

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She really should. If the support don't support her, she is finished...

No she shouldn't. The fans aren't experts on running a professional football club, Leeann is.

[Caversham Green]

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They are yes. But I wouldn’t just back the board blindly against voting against what happens should the Premier League have to end.

Voting for the proposal doesn’t cost us anything - it isn’t a vote on the top league at all. It’s a vote on the lower leagues with the extension to the premiership if the league cannot get complete at a later date.

I think Hearts should be relegated if the season has to end and they find themselves bottom, of course, it’s the fairest way. Losing a derby is the price to pay then that’s that. We try our best to sell out the Dundee Utd home games.

If you agree that the board are in a better position than you to judge the best course of action then why would you not back them? I could see your point if they wanted to award the league to "Rangers" but in a position where there is no perfect answer but they have better information why go against them?

While it's not a vote for the Premiership it's going to have a significant effect on what happens when a decision has to be made for it.

I also think Hearts should be relegated, but only on the fairest possible basis so they can have no real complaints.

[Hibs90]

Usual 'Hibs can do no wrong' users out in force in this thread I see.

[Peevemor]

You are all aware that it's the board and not just Leeann who'll decide how we vote?

[Peevemor]

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Usual 'Hibs can do no wrong' users out in force in this thread I see.

Why does that surprise you, it being a Hibs supporters' forum?