KP - Hibs Voting Intentions

[Ozyhibby]

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Fans spiteful emotions don't count when it comes to running a successful football club, no. The best possible Hibs team is what I want, if we have a good team then the support will be happy.

You happy to vote for a horrendous solution to this problem that massively hurts Hibs as long as Hearts go down and we can banter them off a bit on twitter?

Spiteful may be correct. There is a significant amount of bad blood in Scottish football that stems from the actions of Hearts and Rangers.
Hibs decision to look the other way then means they are not being given much leeway from fans now. You can call it spiteful if you like but it’s not without foundation.


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[Hibs4185]

So when I started this poll, I put votes yes and relegate hearts. I maybe should’ve put vote yes and relegate the bottom team instead. I genuinely believe ending the season as it stands allows a clean slate for the start of next season.

I may be in favour of reconstruction if it was a permanent solution, and it benefited all of Scottish football and allows us to create a better product on the park and better players. A prime example would be summer football where we go into Europe in the middle of our season and we don’t get pumped by Maltese minnows because they are up to speed.

I would save hearts if that was a serious and lasting proposal.

The reconstruction idea as it stands is a half *rsed compromise in order to save the bottom club and keep the peace. Two wrongs don’t make a right and if it was St Mirren, Hamilton or anyone else I would argue the same.

The fact is, it is hearts, and they would have no hesitation in relegating us and taking great delight with their already inflated egos and grandeur.

For those who talk about loss of income. A few points. First we will benefit from the new tv deal sooner. Extra cash.

Secondly- imagine young kids at school wondering what team to support. If hearts are championship and hibs are premier league then we may win hundreds of new fans. Also applies to the many new residents of Edinburgh. Potential for bigger fan base.

There are many positives form Hearts demise that I won’t list but we would have the opportunity to become the undoubted dominate club in Edinburgh.

As far as I’m concerned there is only one option, vote yes and send them down.

[WhileTheChief..]

LD should have a read of Kickback before making any decision.

The abuse that she has taken from them along with all of them calling us vermin etc should make it easy for her to make the right decision.

Even now, their talk is all about threats and boycotts. Not one bit of humility or an acceptance that they need a favour.

Originally I thought it would be unfair to see them relegated. Now I think it’s fully deserved.

[Sioux]

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LD should have a read of Kickback before making any decision.

The abuse that she has taken from them along with all of them calling us vermin etc should make it easy for her to make the right decision.

Even now, their talk is all about threats and boycotts. Not one bit of humility or an acceptance that they need a favour.

Originally I thought it would be unfair to see them relegated. Now I think it’s fully deserved.

Thankfully Hibs will make their decision on the issues they face without reference to a few baw bags on a football fans' internet forum.

[Tobias Funke]

Vote yes and give those horrible maroon ballbags the relegation they deserve. That club and their FTB ex owner tried to wipe our club off the face of the earth and that should NEVER be forgotten.

Get them to ****.

[Vault Boy]

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Thankfully Hibs will make their decision on the issues they face without reference to a few baw bags on a football fans' internet forum.

Exactly. This decision is about reason, not emotion.

[The 90+2]

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Says who? Maybe some would prefer them to stay up and struggle so we can play/beat them 3 times next season?

You think the majority of the support want to keep hearts up? Seriously?

Some, a handful will. The rest will want them to get what they deserve.

[The 90+2]

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Fans spiteful emotions don't count when it comes to running a successful football club, no. The best possible Hibs team is what I want, if we have a good team then the support will be happy.

You happy to vote for a horrendous solution to this problem that massively hurts Hibs as long as Hearts go down and we can banter them off a bit on twitter?

I will it massively hurt Hibs? Them in the championship goosed for money will be incredibly beneficial to us long term.

[Yorkshire HFC]

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LD should have a read of Kickback before making any decision.

The abuse that she has taken from them along with all of them calling us vermin etc should make it easy for her to make the right decision.

Even now, their talk is all about threats and boycotts. Not one bit of humility or an acceptance that they need a favour.

Originally I thought it would be unfair to see them relegated. Now I think it’s fully deserved.

LOL - she absolutely should not. I think this thread illustrates perfectly why supporters should not have any input into the running of a football club.

Hibs is a football team - but it's also a business employing a large number of people. As such, I'm sure that the Board will make the decision based on what is best for the club - and not just to score a point against another team

[Caversham Green]

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You think the majority of the support want to keep hearts up? Seriously?

Some, a handful will. The rest will want them to get what they deserve.

Not true.

A few will want to keep Hearts up. Some will want them to go down regardless of how much it hurts Hibs. The rest - the vast majority IMO - will want what's best for the club they support and will have little or no regard for any club they don't support. I'm firmly in the third category.

[Dashing Bob S]

The heart says: send 'em down and into administration!











The head says: send 'em down and liquidate 'em!

[The 90+2]

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Not true.

A few will want to keep Hearts up. Some will want them to go down regardless of how much it hurts Hibs. The rest - the vast majority IMO - will want what's best for the club they support and will have little or no regard for any club they don't support. I'm firmly in the third category.

And what’s best for the club? Surely it’s to vote for the proposal taking hearts out the equation.

Or do you mean some will back the clubs decision blindly and ask no questions believing it’s in the best interests?

[silverhibee]

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So what are folk's views on Partick being relegated? Is that fair?

For what it's worth, I don't think so.

Yes.

They are bottom of the table just like hertz Stranraer & Brechin.

[Vault Boy]

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And what’s best for the club? Surely it’s to vote for the proposal taking hearts out the equation.

Or do you mean some will back the clubs decision blindly and ask no questions believing it’s in the best interests?

Putting trust in our qualified, experienced and reputable CEO to make a better decision than a bunch of fans on an online forum isn't blind loyalty, it's rational.

[hibeerealist]

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LD does seem to like having a good working relationship with Budge which is admirable, but Budge takes great delight in taking sly digs at every opportunity. I can’t be bothered listing them all but we all know the examples.

The big question for me is whether if the scenario was reversed and we were bottom, would Budge save us?

Not a hope in hell.

It is only good as it suits her for now, IF she were put in our position Hibs would be down end of.

[erin go bragh]

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Not true.

A few will want to keep Hearts up. Some will want them to go down regardless of how much it hurts Hibs. The rest - the vast majority IMO - will want what's best for the club they support and will have little or no regard for any club they don't support. I'm firmly in the third category.

90% would say your wrong .

[hibeerealist]

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If Dundee Utd, Liverpool, Newcastle, Sheff Wed, Bristol City etc voted to send their local rivals down when they were just 4 pts adrift with 8 games left, I'd think they were an absolute disgrace.

Think about it.

You think about it, its not about voting them to get relegated they have done that themselves!!

Are you prepared to risk NEXT season and the new TV deal, if so you are a disgrace?

[hibeerealist]

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Id be ok with league reconstruction, as long as it's not just to 14, and as i read somewhere else, only for a season to even things out.

It has to be a 16, 18 or even 20 top flight.

id prefer 18.

3 up and 3 down.

Im not sure about keeping the split either, ive never been the biggest fan.

If it saves Hearts, then so be it.

18 teams, and NOT for one season only, then I would support that anything else is no good. However, the TV companies will not agree to it sadly.

[Peevemor]

If we were in Hearts position (which could easily have happened) we'd be going daft.

However, I do think Hearts should be relegated, but I don't think Partick Thistle should.

I've no idea how I would vote this week if it was down to me.

[Jim44]

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Not true.

A few will want to keep Hearts up. Some will want them to go down regardless of how much it hurts Hibs. The rest - the vast majority IMO - will want what's best for the club they support and will have little or no regard for any club they don't support. I'm firmly in the third category.

This board is far from the voice of Hibs but I think it is a reasonable indicator of grassroots opinion. Looking at the figures in this poll, 90% would prefer to see Hearts relegated. Now that’s not as definitive as you might think, as folk on here tend to be vocal and forthright, but I think it’s a fair stretch of the imagination to say that “the vast majority will want what's best for the club they support and will have little or no regard for any club they don't support.” I think a fairly big majority will hold the opposite view.

[Tommy75]

Robbed us of potential league places over the years with their shameful overspending. Their attitude during, and since, their administration has been disgusting and embarrassing. Send them down and let them rot.

[hibeerealist]

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A reasonable reply mate. From my POV it's not just about Hearts as a club, who without a doubt have been so badly run they can't complain about the position they find themselves in. I'm purely looking at this from two angles:

Firstly I just can't in all honesty see the fairness in relegating a club, even them with their history, in circumstances which are so unbelievably unique and with so much of the season still to play, nor can I see how it would be fair on any club's supporters, even theirs .. said through gritted teeth I assure you.

Secondly, The only way I can see which will satisfy as many clubs fans as possible, never mind the clubs themselves, is for a league set up next season which includes the top two in the championship .... it's no secret that ICT are teetering on the brink and a season in the premiership will probably save them from going under ... folk don't even seem to be thinking about them ... in all honesty beaten to the championship title by a club whose spending is no less excessive than Hearts for the league they are in.

Can anybody in all honesty, hand on heart, say they would have seen any fairness in Hibs being relegated if we had been bottom of the league when play stopped in these circumstances ... I sure as hell couldn't.

The justification is in your post - UNIQUE, unprecedented there really is no other way of calling an end to this season, so they go down.

Your idea of running into next year, eh and risk the TV deal why would ANY of the SPL clubs support that?

[silverhibee]

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Thankfully Hibs will make their decision on the issues they face without reference to a few baw bags on a football fans' internet forum.

It's not just on a fans forum, the only ground where she doesn't take her seat in the directors box and decides to sit/stand with Hibs fans in the away end during derbies at the farm, because she knows what kind of abuse she would get sitting in the directors box.

[hibeerealist]

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What she says is in line with the SPFL's statement yesterday, ie. wait for further news on when there will be matches before making a decision. Therefore we're obviously going to accept the proposition.

She's also right to say that 40 minutes of conference call isn't enough - especially if there are 12-20 participants. That's probably the equivalent of a 15-20 'normal' minute meeting.

Speaking about never going back if Hibs vote to save Hearts is nonsense IMO. How Hibs vote further down the line will be in accordance with what the board think is right 1. for Hibs and 2. for the SPFL going forward. Whether this eventually saves or relegates Hearts will be an afterthough, which is how it should be.

How would a 14 team league be better for Hibs, it seems its that, call as is or void season - i am all ears???

[CockneyRebel]

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Some of the comments and input on this thread depress the hell out of me, not just as a Hibs fan or a fitba fan, but as a human being.

Folk are going on about Hibs being 'soft' if they miss this chance to relegate Hearts, saying all this talk about 'this is our city' is hogwash if we don't make ensuring Hearts are relegated our number one priority. Whatever happened to there being 'class, first class and Hibs class' ..... how much nonsense will that be if the club like half the fans on here make ensuring Hearts go down through a situation that's probably as close to the Zombie apocalypse as we will ever see our number one priority, when the future of our whole game is at stake.

Then you have the ... Hearts wouldn't think twice if the shoe was on the other foot folk ... The whole point is we aren't Hearts, the whole point is that what Hearts would do should never be a factor in how we think and how we act as a club ... or a support for that matter. If we genuinely think that Hearts would delight in taking advantage of what is nothing short of the biggest natural disaster to hit humanity since the 1919 flu pandemic which killed millions to put the boot into Hibs then Hibs doing the same thing would to me make us no better than them.

Then you have the I wont renew brigade, including some posters on here I have a great deal of respect for normally. I've seen comments from some folk saying this is like the Sevco situation and fans of other clubs will join the outrage if any decision made saves Hearts. Well I've got news for them, no it isn't ... to fans of other teams Hearts are just another club, probably not a very popular one for sure if comments I've seen from other fans over the years are to be believed, but to them in this situation just another club ... they will be thinking of their own clubs and hopefully how to ensure football continues with as little damage as possible to every club .... If any decision saves Hearts it wont be anywhere near as big a deal to them as it appears to be to a lot of us .... and to think otherwise is having an inflated idea of our own importance that would do credit to our city neighbours.

If you seriously are talking about damaging Hibs by consciously not renewing your season ticket over this issue then your hatred of Hearts truly does outweigh your love of Hibs. Something we delight in accusing Hearts fans of in reverse all the time .. and yet here we are doing exactly the same thing.

I have on many occasions stated that what Hearts did during the Mercer era was possibly the most disgusting act any football club anywhere could have ever undertaken ... To try and end another club, and even worse a direct rival, by killing them off the pitch should have made Hearts very name a swear word in football, a byword for disgusting underhanded behaviour, even to fans who previously had no thought for them either way, if at all.

In my opinion raving at our club to vote a certain way in an overall decision for Scottish football which will affect not just us, not just Hearts, but the whole future of our game based on no other consideration than how much damage it can do to Hearts, be that deserved payback, karma or whatever when the club in question were in a position where relegation through their efforts on the pitch was a long way from certain is in the same ballpark .... not the same, but the same ballpark ... as what Hearts tried to do to us all those years ago.

The ****ing Yams have always been unbearable with their inflated sense of self importance and entitlement ... nobody least of all me would deny that ... they truly think they are God's gift to the beautiful game. The thought of ramping that up to 11 by handing them the chance to play the martyr as well is a far worse outcome to this situation than any idea of a decision Hibs make keeping them in the premiership.

Rant over GGTTH.

Although I tend to agree with much that you say, the highlighted part above is wrong - what Mercer tried to do was to exterminate not relegate and those two outcomes are about as far apart as you can get on the same planet never mind a ballpark.

[hibeerealist]

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Whether or not we renew our STs hinges on this vote. Vote to save them and they can shove it.

I also can't understand why she thinks starting the games again in Aug/Sep is an appropriate solution as that would mean the current season would finish in what, November? What a farce that would be.

Call it and move on to next season Hibs.

She would have been best advised to say nowt Franck, that way there would have been none of this speculation as to what she MIGHT be saying!

Let Chemical Annie do all the spouting as she is doing a great job turning folk against them.

[neil7908]

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Putting trust in our qualified, experienced and reputable CEO to make a better decision than a bunch of fans on an online forum isn't blind loyalty, it's rational.

Yup. There's a hilarious irony here in us tearing into Hearts and Sevco for pandering to their fans and failing to behave professionally.

And our solution? Let's pander to our support who just want to see our neighbours suffer.

[Peevemor]

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How would a 14 team league be better for Hibs, it seems its that, call as is or void season - i am all ears???

I never said it would be, and neither did Leeann Dempster.

People should stop getting so uptight over speculation.

[Peevemor]

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She would have been best advised to say nowt Franck, that way there would have been none of this speculation as to what she MIGHT be saying!

Let Chemical Annie do all the spouting as she is doing a great job turning folk against them.

Why can't you (and others) just accept what she's saying at face value - ie. the goalposts are shifitng all the time and there's no way a decision should be made right now?

[The 90+2]

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Putting trust in our qualified, experienced and reputable CEO to make a better decision than a bunch of fans on an online forum isn't blind loyalty, it's rational.

Even if the decision is ultimately the wrong one? There’s no be no questioning just blind faith it’s for the best regardless of what the support want?