Coronavirus

[greenlex]

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A demotion of some sort is inevitable now. She can’t carry on as CMO anymore. Her position is untenable in that role. She needs to step down now to allow the govt to quickly make a new appointment. We can’t be having a lame duck CMO at a time like this.


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Don’t think she needs sacked. She does need to be removed from the face of the information drive. Her daily position at the podium is certainly untenable.

[silverhibee]

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She’s not a silly girl, she’s a grown adult, an educated woman who should know better.

And she has a husband who I would think is staying at home and looking after the kids, he could have at any time last week went over on his own and checked the house so that she didn't have anything else to worry about, if she is doing 18 hours a day she should be getting as much sleep as possible and not out driving with the family to the second home, will say it again, is this the 1st time she has done it or has her and the family be doing this for the last few weekends, this is not a stupid mistake, she is advising a nation to stay indoors to help the NHS and save lives, but can't adhere to it herself, f***Ing selfish people.

[Coach Jon]

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Don’t think she needs sacked. She does need to be removed from the face of the information drive. Her daily position at the podium is certainly untenable.

Seriously, you cant have a CMO who is unable to stand at the podium due to the fact she has no credibility.

[lord bunberry]

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And she has a husband who I would think is staying at home and looking after the kids, he could have at any time last week went over on his own and checked the house so that she didn't have anything else to worry about, if she is doing 18 hours a day she should be getting as much sleep as possible and not out driving with the family to the second home, will say it again, is this the 1st time she has done it or has her and the family be doing this for the last few weekends, this is not a stupid mistake, she is advising a nation to stay indoors to help the NHS and save lives, but can't adhere to it herself, f***Ing selfish people.

I agree. I’d love to head to my second home, but the pubs ****in shut.

[Hibrandenburg]

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The current cabinet appears, sadly, ill equipped to deal with anything other than brexit, it's packed full of people who coat tailed in on the back of no dissent to Boris's pre-election mantra and on this occasion the problem isn't going to go away by throwing rhetoric at it.

There's a leadership void and when the real heroes of the day, the scientists, doctors, nurses,police, council workers, shop staff and all the other essential services eventually get on top of this the politicians will push their way back into the limelight.

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We have a government that got elected by ignoring and trashing expert advice. I don't expect them to change anytime soon.

[silverhibee]

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I don’t think we’ll have to worry much about people getting out to enjoy the good weather here, the weather is *****.

taps off, suns oot now.

My exercise for today will be doing the garden.

[G B Young]

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And selectively reactive. WHO were telling him for weeks and weeks and weeks how important testing was, but it wasn't until the Mail, Express and Telegraph were shouting it on their front covers that it became a thing for UK gov. They have only a campaign, not a plan, to deal with Covid-19.

I think most of the flak has, inevitably, come from hindsight merchants and those with a political axe to grind. Suddenly we're all experts in how best to handle a globla pandemic despite the fact medical advice seems to change on a daily basis (the latest being whether wearing facemasks might actually be advisable). The government is often having to second guess what's coming next and I'm impressed to see Sir Keir Starmer has already made it clear he won't be making "impossible demands" of them and has pledged to work in tandem. Sturgeon too has shown commendable professionalism in presenting a united front. Shame she's been so badly let down by her chief medical officer.

Of course we were under-prepared for this. As was pretty much every country in the world bar, perhaps, those Asian nations who had taken stronger measures in the wake of the Sars virus. In what way have we handled things worse than, say, Italy, Spain, France or the USA? Germany gets held up as an example of efficiency when it comes to keeping on top of testing, but on the flip side we have Sweden adopting Johnson's much-derided 'herding' approach. Whose approach is best? The mortality rate is grim pretty much across the board.

No denying the government has made mistakes but IMHO they're doing their best to correct them. Would any other recent UK or world leader have done any better in dealing with a crisis that touches every aspect of our lives? It's a monumental task and one for which there was never going to be some sort of prototype solution.

[JeMeSouviens]

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I think most of the flak has, inevitably, come from hindsight merchants and those with a political axe to grind. Suddenly we're all experts in how best to handle a globla pandemic despite the fact medical advice seems to change on a daily basis (the latest being whether wearing facemasks might actually be advisable). The government is often having to second guess what's coming next and I'm impressed to see Sir Keir Starmer has already made it clear he won't be making "impossible demands" of them and has pledged to work in tandem. Sturgeon too has shown commendable professionalism in presenting a united front. Shame she's been so badly let down by her chief medical officer.

Of course we were under-prepared for this. As was pretty much every country in the world bar, perhaps, those Asian nations who had taken stronger measures in the wake of the Sars virus. In what way have we handled things worse than, say, Italy, Spain, France or the USA? Germany gets held up as an example of efficiency when it comes to keeping on top of testing, but on the flip side we have Sweden adopting Johnson's much-derided 'herding' approach. Whose approach is best? The mortality rate is grim pretty much across the board.

No denying the government has made mistakes but IMHO they're doing their best to correct them. Would any other recent UK or world leader have done any better in dealing with a crisis that touches every aspect of our lives? It's a monumental task and one for which there was never going to be some sort of prototype solution.

Mortality rate not so bad in Germany which is standing out among the Europeans as doing the right thing. They are closest to the who advice. It’s not a coincidence.

[Beefster]

Completely untenable now.

https://twitter.com/policescotland/s...154405888?s=21

[lord bunberry]

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taps off, suns oot now.

My exercise for today will be doing the garden.

It’s still cloudy here, it must be on it’s way though. The beers are chilling nicely for its arrival

[JeMeSouviens]

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Completely untenable now.

https://twitter.com/policescotland/s...154405888?s=21

She’s been (frankly, deservedly) humiliated completely.

[greenlex]

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Seriously, you cant have a CMO who is unable to stand at the podium due to the fact she has no credibility.

Her job isn’t to stand at the podium. Her job is to be chief medical officer. From all accounts she is very good at that. She’s ****ed up. Not broken the law but ****ed up. She doesn’t need sacking.

[Coach Jon]

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Her job isn’t to stand at the podium. Her job is to be chief medical officer. From all accounts she is very good at that. She’s ****ed up. Not broken the law but ****ed up. She doesn’t need sacking.

She is also the face on the TV adverts telling everyone to stay at home!!!
Who is going to take her seriously now?

[Future17]

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The biggest problem for me is that the SG have tried to justify her actions. I believe she has apologised which is commendable. That doesn't fit with the govt spokesman seeming to suggest she had done nothing wrong, mixed messages and all that.

There should have been a joint statement, an unreserved apology and a clarification of the rules. Fwiw I don't want her to lose her job. It's generally believed she is performing well and I have no expertise to dispute that so removing a competent person for an error of judgement seems daft to me. More than anything this has become a communications issue.

Same for me. Some baffling decision-making going on here, which is worrying. What did they think they would achieve with that statement?

[greenlex]

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She is also the face on the TV adverts telling everyone to stay at home!!!
Who is going to take her seriously now?

Yup that needs to be stopped.

[danhibees1875]

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She is also the face on the TV adverts telling everyone to stay at home!!!
Who is going to take her seriously now?

One of them popped up on my TV about an hour ago. I laughed, but didn't take the message any less seriously.

[marinello59]

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Same for me. Some baffling decision-making going on here, which is worrying. What did they think they would achieve with that statement?

Police Scotland have released a statement as well now.

[Smartie]

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Her job isn’t to stand at the podium. Her job is to be chief medical officer. From all accounts she is very good at that. She’s ****ed up. Not broken the law but ****ed up. She doesn’t need sacking.

“Do as I say but not as I do” is not a great long-term message in any context.

Re context - I agree that her credibility has been seriously undermined, possibly fatally. But isn’t it a funny world we live in where someone who is clearly very good at their job can undo everything by going away to Elie for the night with her family? It’s not exactly snorting coke off hookers breasts or getting caught with a bag over your head and an orange up your hoop, is it? As I say, all about context and those actions may have carried consequences, serious ones.

[greenlex]

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Police Scotland have released a statement as well now.

Thats quite obviously for public consumption to let us know they’ve taken her to task and show everyone she isn’t exempt from the rules. Rightly so too.

[Bishop Hibee]

Calderclown II should be suspended like any other disciplinary and dealt with in due course whether that’s dismissal or not. What she did is indefensible if the Scottish Government are serious with the advice they are giving us.

[Future17]

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Her job isn’t to stand at the podium. Her job is to be chief medical officer. From all accounts she is very good at that. She’s ****ed up. Not broken the law but ****ed up. She doesn’t need sacking.

I initially shared your view, but having read up on the role of CMO I think she needs to go.

A massive part of her role is to give advice and her credibility in doing so has been destroyed in my opinion.

Also, she's a figurehead for the health profession. If I'm a nurse or a doctor who has been putting myself in harm's way and hearing about colleagues dying, I'd be extremely angry at having a figurehead whose deliberate actions could well have made the situation worse. What does that do for NHS morale?

I like Sturgeon but she needs to act quickly to remove Calderwood.

[Billy Whizz]

Just saw this on Linkedkin, post by a Doctor

I discharged home 3 patients who kicked corona’s butt this week. All significantly over 70 and with underlying health problems.

I downstaged 2 more, who will go home after a wee bit of rehab.

That’s more than we wrote death certificates for.

[greenlex]

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I initially shared your view, but having read up on the role of CMO I think she needs to go.

A massive part of her role is to give advice and her credibility in doing so has been destroyed in my opinion.

Also, she's a figurehead for the health profession. If I'm a nurse or a doctor who has been putting myself in harm's way and hearing about colleagues dying, I'd be extremely angry at having a figurehead whose deliberate actions could well have made the situation worse. What does that do for NHS morale?

I like Sturgeon but she needs to act quickly to remove Calderwood.

I see where you’re coming from but IMO continuity behind the scenes is more important right now. Down the line might be a different story mind.

[Future17]

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I see where you’re coming from but IMO continuity behind the scenes is more important right now. Down the line might be a different story mind.

I'm not sure. She has a Deputy who can surely provide that continuity?

For all the talk of her doing a good job - how is that measured?

[Billy Whizz]

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I see where you’re coming from but IMO continuity behind the scenes is more important right now. Down the line might be a different story mind.

I’m with you on that, she’s been plain daft, but we need her brains to help us through this

[Future17]

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I’m with you on that, she’s been plain daft, but we need her brains to help us through this

FWIW, I think she has had an extremely impressive career and we should all be grateful for the work she's undertaken and the process she has been credited with.

However, the current challenge of her role is a niche one and she's proven she's not up to that specific challenge.

[RyeSloan]

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I'm not sure. She has a Deputy who can surely provide that continuity?

For all the talk of her doing a good job - how is that measured?

Good question that I reckon few can answer with any detail.

I think it probably comes down to her measured and professional approach in the daily conferences.

One that will now of course sound rather hollow and completely two faced.

She’s totally undermined her own authority and in doing so should have done the right thing and stood down this morning.

[Billy Whizz]

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FWIW, I think she has had an extremely impressive career and we should all be grateful for the work she's undertaken and the process she has been credited with.

However, the current challenge of her role is a niche one and she's proven she's not up to that specific challenge.

Your opinion. She’s not a politician, she’s a medic and we need all the good ones
Think we shouldn’t have her on ad’s, but we need her skills

[B.H.F.C]

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I see where you’re coming from but IMO continuity behind the scenes is more important right now. Down the line might be a different story mind.

She won’t have a long term future in her current role now, I wouldn’t think.

I don’t know how easy it is to replace someone in that level of position but my guess would be that it isn’t easy. Particularly in the middle of a global pandemic.

What she has done is really damaging but there is definitely an argument that it could damage things even further if she is removed.

[Sir David Gray]

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Completely untenable now.

https://twitter.com/policescotland/s...154405888?s=21

She's toast after that now. Sturgeon has no option but to replace her.