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I’m an SNP supporter than the the CMO made a serious mistake and error in judgement and deserves to be heavily criticised for it, just like Hancock (although he seems to have got off lightly) but I don’t think either would have deserved to lose their job.
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05-04-2020 10:25 AM #4411
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05-04-2020 10:27 AM #4412This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If the public are going to be forced indoors and maybe even have further restrictions forced upon them over the coming weeks and months then it's going to be hard enough to get people to comply.
To have any chance at all, the public need to see that those in charge who are imposing and recommending such restrictions are practicing what they are preaching.
There's a trust issue at play here and you cannot have the Chief Medical Officer flouting the rules when it suits her but yet have her fronting daily briefings and adverts all the time spelling out to people the limited reasons they must have for being able to leave their homes.
Her position's untenable in my opinion, at least from a public facing perspective and if she's not removed from her position then the government are going to find it impossible to get the cooperation from the public.
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05-04-2020 10:28 AM #4413This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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05-04-2020 10:29 AM #4414This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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05-04-2020 10:31 AM #4415This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I would sack her for that alone.
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05-04-2020 10:39 AM #4417
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My 80yo uncle is currently in hospital with it. He’s doing ok but they trying to keep his temperature under control.
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05-04-2020 10:44 AM #4419
Perhaps the easy answer for the CMO is to allow her to work in the background if she is doing a good job but take her away from public engagements and television appeals.
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05-04-2020 10:48 AM #4420This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Anyway, that aside it’s spectacularly ill judged. What was she thinking?
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05-04-2020 10:48 AM #4421This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I suspect she is working 18 hour days. Hardly ever sees her family. Goes to bed thinking about deaths. Wakes up thinking about deaths. The collective weight of 5m people on her shoulders.
As I say she has been a silly girl. But bigger picture of where we are she should continue in role.
That would be my view.
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05-04-2020 10:51 AM #4422This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
United we stand here....
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05-04-2020 10:51 AM #4423This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The Queen, for example, never says "I and my husband".
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05-04-2020 10:54 AM #4424This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
United we stand here....
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05-04-2020 11:00 AM #4428
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05-04-2020 11:01 AM #4429This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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05-04-2020 11:03 AM #4430This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
United we stand here....
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05-04-2020 11:04 AM #4431This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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05-04-2020 11:05 AM #4432
I don’t think we’ll have to worry much about people getting out to enjoy the good weather here, the weather is *****.
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05-04-2020 11:05 AM #4433
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05-04-2020 11:25 AM #4434This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They have clearly buggered off (like most of the top laywers and doctors in Edinburgh do in normal times) to their usual "weekend holiday homes" in Elie / Earlsferry.
So she has not been spending days and nights away from the family at all, they have decided to take a few days off in Fife - and this is 100% against the Scottish Government policy on 2nd homes during the CV19 outbreak.
...........and all this on a weekend when the UK Govt are saying the police will be struggling to keep people out of large groups because of the warmer weather ! Jesus Christ
There simply cant be one rule for the plebs and another for the likes of her / Prince Charles etc - frankly she may have caused deaths by her action, its disgraceful and she should be sacked.
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05-04-2020 11:26 AM #4435This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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05-04-2020 11:35 AM #4436This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The type of thinking that if everybody adopted would cost possibly thousands of lives.
I don't necessarily think that her position was immediately untenable, and I think HibbyBairn makes some very good and interesting points. I'm not a "head on a stick" type and would generally prefer to allow people to make mistakes - as long as they are prepared to learn from them.
This has actually been turned into a PR disaster when it could have been dealt with in a positive way, in a way that ultimately turned a negative into a positive.
The apology should have been grovelling and unequivocal instead of the usual "sorry if you're all annoyed at what I've done" non-apology that seems to be all the rage these days. She could and should have acknowledged how difficult it can be to stick to the rules and that momentary lapses sometimes happen. Then, she should have reiterated the consequences that such actions may carry, not just for those carrying out the actions but on those further down the chain of infection by the virus.
Then, having demonstrated an express and deep-seated understanding of what she had done wrong, she can get back to doing a day job that so far she has been impressive in - knowing that her coat is hanging by the shoogliest of nails and that no more "mistakes" can be tolerated.
Her actions are typical of a bigger problem though and it is a problem that makes me furious. TBH, it's not the kind of thing I would suggest is remotely appropriate right now, but I don't think a bit of civil disobedience should be out of the question - that we, the public, are fed up being held to a different standard of behaviour to those who rule. This is a big issue, a huge one.Last edited by Smartie; 05-04-2020 at 11:39 AM.
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05-04-2020 11:41 AM #4437This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In a time when we’re bombarded with messages about how selfish and dangerous not following the rules is, for the person playing a critical part in devising those rules to disregard them is the worst kind of hypocrisy, I’m afraid. The SG trying to explain it away doesn’t reflect particularly well on it either tbh.Last edited by Beefster; 05-04-2020 at 11:44 AM.
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05-04-2020 11:41 AM #4439
A demotion of some sort is inevitable now. She can’t carry on as CMO anymore. Her position is untenable in that role. She needs to step down now to allow the govt to quickly make a new appointment. We can’t be having a lame duck CMO at a time like this.
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05-04-2020 11:48 AM #4440
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