The generic Hearts thread

[Waxy]

The whole football situation is brutal.
NHS workers what they are doing just now and for how much.
Then footballers.

[Ozyhibby]

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I presumed our back room staff are on the scheme but the players are deferring between 20% and 50% of their wages until its over and the club can pay back the missing wages. There is no mention of our players taking any furlough payments. I just find it ridiculous that a footballer earning more than the prime minister is willing to take hand outs from the government at this time. These benefactors will be back ploughing money into Hearts as soon as they see an angle to take advantage of teams who are struggling through, it boils my blood what they get away with, it’s years and years of spending beyond their means and getting bailed out. Then they ran it down your throat how big they are, it’s disgusting IMO.

Our players have been furloughed as well. It’s in the statement released by the club.


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[B.H.F.C]

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Over whom?

Raith Rovers and Arbroath?

Remember, no actually having a financial advantage doesn’t stop them spending money. They just spend it on the things they want to spend it on as opposed to paying their bills.

[Lee Marvin]

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I presumed our back room staff are on the scheme but the players are deferring between 20% and 50% of their wages until its over and the club can pay back the missing wages. There is no mention of our players taking any furlough payments. I just find it ridiculous that a footballer earning more than the prime minister is willing to take hand outs from the government at this time. These benefactors will be back ploughing money into Hearts as soon as they see an angle to take advantage of teams who are struggling through, it boils my blood what they get away with, it’s years and years of spending beyond their means and getting bailed out. Then they ran it down your throat how big they are, it’s disgusting IMO.

This is where iam.

f they dont receive a transfer embargo or some other type of punishment, I might chuck the toys our of the pram and be done with football for a while (after buying my season ticket fwiw)..

[malcolm]

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Hearts taking advantage of the furloughed option will then have a financial advantage when things go back to normal then no?

As will every club that is doing so (including Hibs who have confirmed this) but calling it an advantage is like saying throwing a drowning person a life belt is an advantage when not having fallen overboard, worn a life jacket or having learned to swim would have been the advantage.

[Real Emerald]

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Our players have been furloughed as well. It’s in the statement released by the club.


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The statement I read said the staff had been furloughed but the players were taking a wage cut? Sorry wage deferral!

[CropleyWasGod]

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The statement I read said the staff had been furloughed but the players were taking a wage cut? Sorry wage deferral!

The players are staff

Read it again, it's pretty clear. The only non-furloughed staff are a "core group."

[Lee Marvin]

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As has been said, we'd be daft not to.

Just because we haven't declared it, doesn't mean we aren't doing it.

We kind of of have said so. We said the majority of 'people' have been furloughed

[Ozyhibby]

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The statement I read said the staff had been furloughed but the players were taking a wage cut? Sorry wage deferral!

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[B.H.F.C]

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The statement I read said the staff had been furloughed but the players were taking a wage cut? Sorry wage deferral!

Hibernian FC today thanked all of its employees – staff and players – after the club reached mutual agreement to furlough the majority of its people following a period of constructive consultation in order to protect jobs and incomes. A core group, including some senior managers, ticket office and communications staff, are continuing to work from home to keep the club’s operations moving forward.

Based on the above I’d say the players have been furloughed. They would have been reference amongst those not furloughed if they hadn’t been.

Club can still pay over and above the £2,500 they will receive for them so still possible to defer part of the wage as well.

[Real Emerald]

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The players are staff

Read it again, it's pretty clear. The only non-furloughed staff are a "core group."

Well you obviously have a knack for reading these things but it certainly didn’t read to me the players had been furloughed. Not disagreeing just saying 😊

[CropleyWasGod]

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Well you obviously have a knack for reading these things but it certainly didn’t read to me the players had been furloughed. Not disagreeing just saying 😊

I did have to read it a couple of times, tbf.

So, we agreed.... we're getting Government cash for our players?

[jacomo]

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Uefa’s new plan to play the games (won’t happen) means the yams have to keep their players on board in case it actually happens.


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Make sense of this if you can. I can’t!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52160117

Much like their new main stand, appointment of sporting directors and signing policy, Budge is rudderless and adrift but still demanding to be addressed as captain.

[The 90+2]

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Hibs have furloughed the players as well. All clubs will. Be mad not too.
Hearts are having to top their players wages up to the full amount though, unlike us.


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What happened to the league clause allowing them to tear up contracts or suspend pay with a March 30 deadline?

[Real Emerald]

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“Senior staff and players have also agreed to defer a significant percentage of their income. This will help the club manage its finances through this difficult period. The Chairman has said that the club will repay any shortfall in earnings over an agreed period once things return to normal.

This bit sounded to me that the players were on a deferral not furlough but I agree it can be read the other way too. It isn’t clear that our players are furloughed from that statement, well not to me. 👍

[Real Emerald]

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I did have to read it a couple of times, tbf.

So, we agreed.... we're getting Government cash for our players?

If you say so 😊

[660]

Ann Budge - 18th March 2020 - https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/arti...nt-1-2-3-4-5-6

“We have asked all full-time employees, managers, coaches, players and player back-room staff, with effect from the beginning of April, to accept a 50% cut in their monthly salary”

Ann Budge - 3rd April 2020 - https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/arti...m-our-chairman

“I would like to make it clear that no employee, whether furloughed or working, at any level in the Club has been asked to take a 50% cut.”

What a despicable little organisation.

[Keith_M]

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Ann Budge - 18th March 2020 - https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/arti...nt-1-2-3-4-5-6

“We have asked all full-time employees, managers, coaches, players and player back-room staff, with effect from the beginning of April, to accept a 50% cut in their monthly salary”

Ann Budge - 3rd April 2020 - https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/arti...m-our-chairman

“I would like to make it clear that no employee, whether furloughed or working, at any level in the Club has been asked to take a 50% cut.”

What a despicable little organisation.

"we would like to make it clear that since the introduction of the Job Retention Scheme,

no player has been asked to take more than a 30 per cent reduction in wage."


So they have actually tried to get players to take a 50% pay cut, until the Government announced the Job Retention Scheme.

After that, they tried to get them to take a 30% pay cut (presumably only because the players had already refused the 50% cut).


The devil is in the details

[Greenworld]

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I did have to read it a couple of times, tbf.

So, we agreed.... we're getting Government cash for our players?

I had to re read it also I never
noticed that. That to me indicates the season is over .

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[Iggy Pope]

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Ann Budge - 18th March 2020 - https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/arti...nt-1-2-3-4-5-6

“We have asked all full-time employees, managers, coaches, players and player back-room staff, with effect from the beginning of April, to accept a 50% cut in their monthly salary”

Ann Budge - 3rd April 2020 - https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/arti...m-our-chairman

“I would like to make it clear that no employee, whether furloughed or working, at any level in the Club has been asked to take a 50% cut.”

What a despicable little organisation.

A ****ing lying old hound.

[Aldo]

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A ****ing lying old hound.

Yip classy as ever.

Lie after lie yet she spouts more every spouts more with every statement.


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[Iggy Pope]

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The players are staff

Read it again, it's pretty clear. The only non-furloughed staff are a "core group."

Does that mean, in your take, that the players, or some of them. get a basic government furlough payment and have deferred the balance of their pay until better times?

[mjh]

Am i correct in my reading of the statement in concluding that the majority of hearts players & the PFA have not agreed to her revised proposals ?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Does that mean, in your take, that the players, or some of them. get a basic government furlough payment and have deferred the balance of their pay until better times?

TBH, I don't know the answer to that. But bear with me.....

The statement says "Individual arrangements remain confidential, however employees have agreed to defer salaries by between 20 per cent and 50 per cent.".

If some (presumably the higher earners) have deferred 50%, and were "only" getting paid the basic £2,500 per month, that would mean that they were on about £75k pa. £1,400 pw... probably not the case.

In short, I think they will be getting more than the £2,500.

[DJ HIBBY]

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I had to re read it also I never
noticed that. That to me indicates the season is over .

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Not really, you can be taken off furlough at any time, it doesn’t have to be a fixed period.

[Real Emerald]

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TBH, I don't know the answer to that. But bear with me.....

The statement says "Individual arrangements remain confidential, however employees have agreed to defer salaries by between 20 per cent and 50 per cent.".

If some (presumably the higher earners) have deferred 50%, and were "only" getting paid the basic £2,500 per month, that would mean that they were on about £75k pa. £1,400 pw... probably not the case.

In short, I think they will be getting more than that £2,500.

I actually wonder just how much clubs are short? The bonus of a SC semi
Is just a bonus and there is obviously the away crowds that would have seen a full away end on maybe a couple of occasions. There must be loads of other costs we and others don’t have to pay out though. With only eight games remaining and presuming 50% being at home, it does sound like extreme measures given 80% (pure guess) of our tickets have been sold as ST’s. Obviously if this goes beyond this season then everyone will be in the 💩. Not trying to underestimate the problem but we’ve got around 13,000 already paid in for our remaining home games. A few seasons ago that would have been brilliant .

As a post script, I had tickets for the Grand National tomorrow which I’ve had a full refund, I wouldn’t ask or want a refund for my missed ST games but it makes you think.

[Iggy Pope]

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TBH, I don't know the answer to that. But bear with me.....

The statement says "Individual arrangements remain confidential, however employees have agreed to defer salaries by between 20 per cent and 50 per cent.".

If some (presumably the higher earners) have deferred 50%, and were "only" getting paid the basic £2,500 per month, that would mean that they were on about £75k pa. £1,400 pw... probably not the case.

In short, I think they will be getting more than the £2,500.

The club making up the individual’s deficit on the government furlough payment to another set percentage maybe, then making up the rest later as the deferred part. Sounds like that to me and level thinking from employer and employees.

[Hibs4185]

So as an employer myself. You pay your furloughed staff member 80% of their wage or 100% if you so wish.

The government gives you back 80%. You actually have to pay the salary for the month though then the government is paying you back at the end of April.

The question is, do hearts have the money to pay the wages until April?

[jacomo]

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Yip classy as ever.

Lie after lie yet she spouts more every spouts more with every statement.


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As usual she is woefully out of her depth.

[Green Badger]

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Ann Budge - 18th March 2020 - https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/arti...nt-1-2-3-4-5-6

“We have asked all full-time employees, managers, coaches, players and player back-room staff, with effect from the beginning of April, to accept a 50% cut in their monthly salary”

Ann Budge - 3rd April 2020 - https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/arti...m-our-chairman

“I would like to make it clear that no employee, whether furloughed or working, at any level in the Club has been asked to take a 50% cut.”

What a despicable little organisation.

Has there ever been such a blatant example of undeniable bare faced lying in Scottish Fitba?