The future of the Labour Party

[heretoday]

I'm sorry Thornberry is out. Looking at the four of them she's the only one I'd enjoy going for a pint with! She's a bit old school and could have matched Johnson at the dispatch box. The others are kind of narrow-ersed types.

[Frankhfc]

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I'm sorry Thornberry is out. Looking at the four of them she's the only one I'd enjoy going for a pint with! She's a bit old school and could have matched Johnson at the dispatch box. The others are kind of narrow-ersed types.

Thornberry was a sneering elitist snob of the worst kind and epitomised Labour's descent into obscurity.

Corbyn's policies of nationalision and a leader who has mainstream appeal combined with likeability would deliver in spades.

[heretoday]

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Thornberry was a sneering elitist snob of the worst kind and epitomised Labour's descent into obscurity.

Corbyn's policies of nationalision and a leader who has mainstream appeal combined with likeability would deliver in spades.

Well clearly we don't agree!

[Ozyhibby]

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Thornberry was a sneering elitist snob of the worst kind and epitomised Labour's descent into obscurity.

Corbyn's policies of nationalision and a leader who has mainstream appeal combined with likeability would deliver in spades.

That’s the big takeaway from the election? That everyone wants nationalisation?


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[Frankhfc]

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Well clearly we don't agree!

Yep, but there's nothing wrong in disagreeing with other people as long as its kept civil enough. Life would be very dull indeed if we all had the same opinion.

Corbyn's big policies were well received in general, however, the press and his own failings weren't enough to carry him forward. A leader with far greater charisma and likeability very well could though. Thornberry doesn't possess such attributes. Looking forward to seeing who does win the contest and what they can bring to table as we need a strong opposition no matter who you vote for.

[Cataplana]

Seems to be a real whiff of "ee bah goom" about the candidates standing to replace Corbyn. Personally, they'll struggle to get my vote as long as they continue to talk about how far they have "coom", what their plans for the "*****ry" are, and looking for stronger "goon control."

I find it incredibly patronising when people affect an accent to fit in with a particular group. Listen carefully and you'll hear them lapse into Received Pronounciation when they think nobody is listening. Thick Northerner accent when delivering the punchlines, but able to speak clearly and correctly whenever asked to give proper explanations.

[Future17]

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Seems to be a real whiff of "ee bah goom" about the candidates standing to replace Corbyn. Personally, they'll struggle to get my vote as long as they continue to talk about how far they have "coom", what their plans for the "*****ry" are, and looking for stronger "goon control."

I find it incredibly patronising when people affect an accent to fit in with a particular group. Listen carefully and you'll hear them lapse into Received Pronounciation when they think nobody is listening. Thick Northerner accent when delivering the punchlines, but able to speak clearly and correctly whenever asked to give proper explanations.

I do that and my wife gives me stick for it. The thing is, I rarely know it's happening. I hear the way the person I'm seeking to communicate with speaks and I automatically adapt to mirror it. I don't think it's a bad thing necessarily and it's actually hugely beneficial in my job.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Just heard RLB on Andrew Marr with her leadership pitch. Although she comes across as a confident and consistent performer, she seems to have a dilemma trying to distance herself from the continuity Corbyn candidate, when her political baggage that she carries shows her very much to be that. I am not sure that someone else, saying the same thing, is enough of a shift for the disaffected voters to come back to Labour.

[Cataplana]

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I do that and my wife gives me stick for it. The thing is, I rarely know it's happening. I hear the way the person I'm seeking to communicate with speaks and I automatically adapt to mirror it. I don't think it's a bad thing necessarily and it's actually hugely beneficial in my job.

I'm guilty of what you describe myself. The thing is, if it applied to the two women I saw on telly this morning they'd have been talking like Andrew Marr, not a minor character on Coronation Street.

They put me in mind of Lulu whenever she remembers the Glasgow accent she lost in 1966.

[Moulin Yarns]

I see that we have descended into the same talk about a female politician's accent. I can't remember the name of the short lived LibDem leader that got a load of stick on here for having a 'put on'accent, now it seems their real accent is seen as something to ridicule. You couldn't make it up, it's almost as if their policies don't matter any more.

Now Keir Stammer, there's an accent that every Labour voter can relate to.

[Cataplana]

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I see that we have descended into the same talk about a female politician's accent. I can't remember the name of the short lived LibDem leader that got a load of stick on here for having a 'put on'accent, now it seems their real accent is seen as something to ridicule. You couldn't make it up, it's almost as if their policies don't matter any more.

Now Keir Stammer, there's an accent that every Labour voter can relate to.

No, I wasn't singling out the females, as Budgen is just as guilty.

It is not the accent that is important it is whether it is genuine. It makes the politician appear less trustworthy.

[Moulin Yarns]

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No, I wasn't singling out the females, as Budgen is just as guilty.

It is not the accent that is important it is whether it is genuine. It makes the politician appear less trustworthy.

Both Rebecca Long-Bailey and Angela Rayner are from Greater Manchester, I wouldn't expect them to speak in anything other than a northern accent. Does Keir Starmer have a 'London ' accent?

Who is Budgen? Richard Burgon? Born in Leeds.

[Moulin Yarns]

Let's have a wee laugh.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ing-is-brewing

[Cataplana]

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Both Rebecca Long-Bailey and Angela Rayner are from Greater Manchester, I wouldn't expect them to speak in anything other than a northern accent. Does Keir Starmer have a 'London ' accent?

Who is Budgen? Richard Burgon? Born in Leeds.

You know what? I dont really care, it was a wry observation, that's all.

Yeah, it was Burgon, thanks for the heads up.

Just for the record though, nobody was singling out females.

[Hibrandenburg]

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No, I wasn't singling out the females, as Budgen is just as guilty.

It is not the accent that is important it is whether it is genuine. It makes the politician appear less trustworthy.

I grew up on the council estates of East Lothian, when I joined the army I got the nickname "Captain Caveman" because nobody could understand me. My accent evolved, it wasn't intentional but I guess having to constantly repeat yourself becomes a chore. It doesn't mean I've forgotten my roots or think I'm better in anyway, it's just another sign that I've evolved and adapted to my environment, nothing more, nothing less.

[Northernhibee]

A staggering video put up by Momentum this morning showing RLB speaking to a Brexit voting couple, Im guessing to blame Brexit for the Labour collapse rather than Corbyn.

What’s worst is that the couple pin waiting times for a GP on immigrants and RLB fails to challenge that.

For what is in effect a stage managed campaign video it’s an absolute howler.

[Cataplana]

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I grew up on the council estates of East Lothian, when I joined the army I got the nickname "Captain Caveman" because nobody could understand me. My accent evolved, it wasn't intentional but I guess having to constantly repeat yourself becomes a chore. It doesn't mean I've forgotten my roots or think I'm better in anyway, it's just another sign that I've evolved and adapted to my environment, nothing more, nothing less.

A similar experience to mine. I wouldnt dream of affecting my old accent to impress or curry favour though.

I still suffer in London though, where despite my attempts to speak slowly and enunciate correctly, I am still greeted by a fixed grin and much nodding by the time I reach the end of my first sentence.

My feeling is that these politicians, Jo Swinson was another, put on an accent to impress those they see as their voters

Well, a whole load of Tories won seats in the north without the need to pretend to be the same as the voters they were appealing to. Maybe it's just another example of Labour totally missing the point.

I have to say, it doesn't seem to be something that happens in Scottish politics, maybe because politicians up here learned from Thatcher's cringeworthy attempts to "get down with the Jockos."

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A staggering video put up by Momentum this morning showing RLB speaking to a Brexit voting couple, Im guessing to blame Brexit for the Labour collapse rather than Corbyn.

What’s worst is that the couple pin waiting times for a GP on immigrants and RLB fails to challenge that.

For what is in effect a stage managed campaign video it’s an absolute howler.

Hard not to credit the Tories election victory to Brexit when it was the central slogan of their campaign.

[Smartie]

Most Scottish politicians adopt that nondescript generic Scottish accent that defies region and social class.

Occasionally you get the Gove and Swinson types who realise that they need to appeal to a greater number of voters down South and get elocution lessons to make themselves sound frankly ridiculous.

I don’t have that much of a problem with folk who alter their accents depending on circumstances. It would be ridiculous for me to converse with Lords and Ladies at my work in the same vernacular that I use to demand Paul Heckingbottom’s departure from Hibernian.

[Cataplana]

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Most Scottish politicians adopt that nondescript generic Scottish accent that defies region and social class.

Occasionally you get the Gove and Swinson types who realise that they need to appeal to a greater number of voters down South and get elocution lessons to make themselves sound frankly ridiculous.

I don’t have that much of a problem with folk who alter their accents depending on circumstances. It would be ridiculous for me to converse with Lords and Ladies at my work in the same vernacular that I use to demand Paul Heckingbottom’s departure from Hibernian.

I suppose Stewart Cosgrove is a prime example, he talks like someone from Letham when he's on with Tam, but has a much softer accent when taking part in arts programmes.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I suppose Stewart Cosgrove is a prime example, he talks like someone from Letham when he's on with Tam, but has a much softer accent when taking part in arts programmes.

He has to bring a balance to the rough accent from Tam.

[Hibbyradge]

I like my accent, but I think it softens when I haven't been to Edinburgh or seen my mates for a while.

I'm very broad Edinburgh when I come back from being up the road for a weekend.

[Cataplana]

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He has to bring a balance to the rough accent from Tam.

[Northernhibee]

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Hard not to credit the Tories election victory to Brexit when it was the central slogan of their campaign.

Nah, much as the Tories stuck to soundbites, the Labour campaign was beyond atrocious.

To this day I still don't know if Corbyn was for or against EU membership, for or against a second referendum in Scotland and other key issues such as that. You don't get protests that start "WHAT DO WE WANT?" "We don't know!".

[Smartie]

Just came into this debate halfway through.

Really impressed with Starmer so far.

[Northernhibee]

Who is the best Labour leader of the last fifty years?

Wrong Daily’s answer to that - of the last fifty years - was Atlee.

Genuinely thick as mince.

[Hibbyradge]

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Who is the best Labour leader of the last fifty years?

Wrong Daily’s answer to that - of the last fifty years - was Atlee.

Genuinely thick as mince.

Ridiculous.

[Cataplana]

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Who is the best Labour leader of the last fifty years?

Wrong Daily’s answer to that - of the last fifty years - was Atlee.

Genuinely thick as mince.

What did Atlee ever do for us?

[G B Young]

Corbyn's 'posh Commie' advisory team beginning to disband:

https://www.ft.com/content/dc552842-...1-482eed0038b1

I see he's described as "the scion of a Scottish aristocratic dynasty". Could it be that for all Corbyn's bluster about standing up for the many, the reason he was so decisively rejected at the ballot box is because he and his team were utterly out of touch with those he claimed to represent? Seamus Milne (educated at Winchester College and Oxford) is hardly what you'd regard as a man of the people, while Corbyn himself is of relatively affluent stock himself.

Not saying privately-educated folk who were brought up in comfortable circumstances can't connect with the many (Jim Morrison and Joe Strummer spring to mind) but it's pretty damning that Labour's 'red wall' was brought down by working class voters who felt Boris Johnson understood their needs better than Corbyn.

[Hiber-nation]

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Who is the best Labour leader of the last fifty years?

Wrong Daily’s answer to that - of the last fifty years - was Atlee.

Genuinely thick as mince.

He died more than 50 years ago!!

[HiBremian]

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When did Atlee ever do for us?

Fixed that for you