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View Poll Results: Should Scotland be an independent country?
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Undecided
29 4.38%
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Thread: Scottish Independence
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27-01-2020 07:13 PM #11671
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27-01-2020 07:34 PM #11672
Scottish Government told to gtf regarding having a say on immigration. Boris is going to look after our needs.
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27-01-2020 11:29 PM #11673This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
What's needed here is a conversation around exactly what Scotland became when it entered into the 'union' There is nothing in the act which said Scotland, or England for that matter, gave up their right's as individual nations, only that there was an agreement that both parliaments would sit in London as the parliament of Britain or the UK. 90% of the act of union deals with trade, taxation and the right of succession to the throne. Not the dissolution of the countries of Scotland and England for all time to create the country of Britain.
This isn't my theory, but it's an interesting take on things and having read the 'act' I can see where the proponents of it are coming from. If every Scottish seat at Westminster was occupied by an SNP MP what would there be to stop them all decanting to Edinburgh, saying they were reconvening the 'real' Scottish parliament and declaring an end to the union there and then?
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28-01-2020 09:28 PM #11674
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30-01-2020 04:02 AM #11675
Some comedy gold from the Village Idiot during yesterday’s independence debate in Holyrood:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1222543082362753025
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30-01-2020 06:08 AM #11676
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His partner in crime Alex Cole-Hamilton provided some comedy too as he tried to explain his vote against keeping the EU flag up at Holyrood.
From what I understand he voted in favour when it was unionist Dugsdale who proposed keeping it up, but voted against when it was an SNP motion
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30-01-2020 06:58 AM #11677This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Is he truly suggesting in that twitter rant that the European Flag being flown at Holyrood will promote violence akin to the NI troubles?
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30-01-2020 08:22 AM #11678This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThere is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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30-01-2020 12:04 PM #11679
Why have no opinion polls on independence been published since the election?
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30-01-2020 12:09 PM #11680
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https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...dence_Jan_2020Last edited by grunt; 30-01-2020 at 12:26 PM.
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30-01-2020 12:35 PM #11681
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It's a tricky situation for the SNP, there is a significant group within the Yes camp wanting a referendum asap this year but looking at that poll the best way to ensure a Yes vote would be to hold it in the next few years as demographics / Brexit take more of an effect.
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30-01-2020 12:40 PM #11682
That is before campaigning begins. Start of the last campaign had yes at 26%. it's coming and it can't come quickly enough.
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30-01-2020 01:06 PM #11683This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In reality, it continues the run of virtual dead heats but it's a psychological boost nonetheless.
Under the hood, the age profile stays much the same as usual: Yes well ahead under 50s but miles behind with 65+. Interestingly the ABC1 vs C2DE difference has disappeared.
Also, questionably, Yougov appear to still be weighting by 2014 ref vote which seems a bit suspect given it's almost 5 1/2 years ago.
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30-01-2020 01:07 PM #11684
Whichever way Scotland goes, the relationship between the EU and the UK is going to be quite an important factor.
I think it makes sense to wait to see what that looks like before considering another referendum.Mon the Hibs.
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30-01-2020 01:14 PM #11685
Like this YG graphic showing the churn going on underneath the relatively static headlines:
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30-01-2020 01:22 PM #11686
Interesting first poll since Johnson said No to Scotland. Wonder how long he will think this a good idea?
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30-01-2020 05:28 PM #11687This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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30-01-2020 06:54 PM #11689
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The age breakdown is mental (excluding DKs),
Under 50s
Yes: 66%
No: 34%
Under 65s
Yes: 59%
No: 41%
Over 65s
Yes: 25%
No: 75%
It's only a matter of time based on that, but is there anything the SNP / Yes campaign can do to turn some of that 75% of over 65s to Yes for a referendum in the next 1 to 2 years?
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30-01-2020 06:57 PM #11690
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30-01-2020 10:35 PM #11691This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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31-01-2020 01:53 AM #11692This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
All the other reasons are a bit of a nonsense. The economy could either be better or worse after independence but that will be down to the choices we make. Being independent and making your own decisions is more important. Especially now that we see democracy being taken away.
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31-01-2020 02:15 AM #11693
Haven't read the whole of this thread so don't know if this has been covered, but I was looking at some of the numbers recently. The No vote won last time, by 1.8M to 1.4M. A gap of 400,000 votes. A quick google search told me there are approx 209000 EU citizens in Scotland, who would of course have been more likely to vote No last time given what they were told about staying in the Union being the only path to ensuring EU membership. Now I'm no mathematician, but you subtract 200k from 1.8M and add it to 1.4M and it's 50/50. Now obviously it's not as clear cut as that, not all of them will be eligible to vote but those who are will be more motivated to do so given what's at stake, so I'd expect the turnout in this group to be higher than average.
Add in the changes in demographics that have been covered. However, sadly this also may not be as clear cut as first glance suggests. While it's true that it was the over 65's who voted overwhelmingly No, and that you'd expect that demographic to have a higher mortality rate (being replaced with 6 years of school leavers who are proportionately more likely to be Yessers) it's also true that it was lower socio-economic area's that voted Yes (Source - The Demographics of Independence - The Common Weal). It's also sadly true that lower socio-economic status has a large impact on life expectancy, so (again sadly, and in a wealthy country, disgracefully) the mortality rate among <65 year old Yesers is probably similar to the >65 No's.
In short, it's probably still 50/50, though maybe 50.01/49.99. Given that the Yes campaign started at about 30% in polls leading up to the referendum in 2014 and ended up at almost 45%, I think Yes will have the numbers this time.
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31-01-2020 06:48 AM #11694This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
With my friends in the same age bracket, I find it is roughly 50/50. I do sense a shift towards "yes" though, the reason being Brexit and Johnston. It would be easy, but a mistake IMO, to rush things at this stage through anger, 25 years after we achieve independence it won't have mattered that we waited say a year for the tide to have swung significantly.
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31-01-2020 07:19 AM #11695This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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31-01-2020 07:37 AM #11696This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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31-01-2020 07:54 AM #11697This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I suspect that there would have been very few that had given much thought to Independence, and therefore happy enough with the status quo, but would have formed an alternative opinion as they became more engaged in the campaigns. I don’t think there will be any where near that level of swing second time around, a lot more people will already be entrenched in their views.
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31-01-2020 08:25 AM #11698
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