Josh Vela

**FilipinoHibs** · 15-01-2020 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Northernhibee

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I really want him to come good. There is a very good player in there.

Agree saw signs away to Aberdeen and Celtic at home. You don't play that many games in the Championship without being a reasonable player.

***SteveHFC*** · 15-01-2020 11:30 PM

Deserves another chance.

***Allant1981*** · 16-01-2020 05:14 AM

Vela is no where near as bad as some make out on here. He came in unfit, didnt play well and the team weren't playing well at all. Did anyone really look that much better than him(possibly allan) get him fit and let him show the new manager what he can do, if JR doesnt rate him then move him on in the summer

***green day*** · 16-01-2020 05:40 AM

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Vela is no where near as bad as some make out on here. He came in unfit, didnt play well and the team weren't playing well at all. Did anyone really look that much better than him(possibly allan) get him fit and let him show the new manager what he can do, if JR doesnt rate him then move him on in the summer

He signed in July. How long does a motivated professional footballer need to get up to speed?

Contrast with Boyle - recurrence of knee problem in July, into rehab etc and back in October, fully up to speed by December, voted POTM.

I have never thought Vela is a crap footballer, but maybe a good footballer with a crap attitude (to being at Hibs).

**Smartie** · 16-01-2020 05:53 AM

Did he not have quite a lot of injury problems at Bolton?

Maybe he was still not fully fit after those problems? Maybe he never will be?

He gets a clean slate from me, given how much the likes of Doidge and Newell improved during the 2nd quarter of the season.

***JimBHibees*** · 16-01-2020 05:58 AM

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Vela is no where near as bad as some make out on here. He came in unfit, didnt play well and the team weren't playing well at all. Did anyone really look that much better than him(possibly allan) get him fit and let him show the new manager what he can do, if JR doesnt rate him then move him on in the summer

Agree he isn't as bad however there have been a number of occasions when he has let himself down jogging back into position and then half heartedly getting nick for Derby winner. Being skinned at hampden then jogging back then subbed at half time. Turning back and not closing when Ross county scored in last minute. He wasn't at all the only one however he certainly contributed significantly to the weakness of our midfield. Looks like he has some talent and could be better under Ross but personally think parting of the ways better for both parties.

**SquashedFrogg** · 16-01-2020 06:09 AM

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Agree he isn't as bad however there have been a number of occasions when he has let himself down jogging back into position and then half heartedly getting nick for Derby winner. Being skinned at hampden then jogging back then subbed at half time. Turning back and not closing when Ross county scored in last minute. He wasn't at all the only one however he certainly contributed significantly to the weakness of our midfield. Looks like he has some talent and could be better under Ross but personally think parting of the ways better for both parties.

Did he not win the ball to set up Mallans goal in that same derby?

***JimBHibees*** · 16-01-2020 06:16 AM

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Did he not win the ball to set up Mallans goal in that same derby?

Yes he did and has done well in spells but generally imo has been disappointing

***Allant1981*** · 16-01-2020 06:37 AM

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He signed in July. How long does a motivated professional footballer need to get up to speed?

Contrast with Boyle - recurrence of knee problem in July, into rehab etc and back in October, fully up to speed by December, voted POTM.

I have never thought Vela is a crap footballer, but maybe a good footballer with a crap attitude (to being at Hibs).

I meant get him fit now seeing as he is injured

**Since452** · 16-01-2020 07:02 AM

I gave him MOTM against Celtic at ER. There is a player there there's no doubt. Some players take longer to settle. Everyone is different. The guy was at Bolton since he was a young kid. Moving up to Edinburgh to a new league is a big change. I've not written him off just yet. Big chance for him now with Mallan out

**SquashedFrogg** · 16-01-2020 07:06 AM

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Yes he did and has done well in spells but generally imo has been disappointing

As did many of the first team under our previous manager.

I'd prefer to judge him fully fit and in a Ross team, playing in a system/position that suits him, before writing him off. Same with James. Vela played at times as a number 10 at Bolton and done well by all accounts.

Many players have looked suspect early in the ER careers and come good. No reason in my mind why he can't either.

**SquashedFrogg** · 16-01-2020 07:08 AM

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I gave him MOTM against Celtic at ER. There is a player there there's no doubt. Some players take longer to settle. Everyone is different. The guy was at Bolton since he was a young kid. Moving up to Edinburgh to a new league is a big change. I've not written him off just yet. Big chance for him now with Mallan out

He was very good against Celtic that day.

***JimBHibees*** · 16-01-2020 08:57 AM

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As did many of the first team under our previous manager.

I'd prefer to judge him fully fit and in a Ross team, playing in a system/position that suits him, before writing him off. Same with James. Vela played at times as a number 10 at Bolton and done well by all accounts.

Many players have looked suspect early in the ER careers and come good. No reason in my mind why he can't either.

Do we have the time to wait and see if he does?

**SquashedFrogg** · 16-01-2020 09:07 AM

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Do we have the time to wait and see if he does?

Yes. He signed a long term deal.

**Renfrew_Hibby** · 16-01-2020 09:20 AM

I couldn't care less if there's 'a player in there' if he hasn't got the correct attitude. If he were to think he's just up here to pick up a wage and that it's only a pub league then so what, then he can do one!

Im not saying he is thinking that but we do know that Scottish football and indeed Scotland in general is regarded as some sort of distant backwater and for some players that come up here from England, subconsciously at least, these thoughts are there.

***Northernhibee*** · 16-01-2020 09:36 AM

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I couldn't care less if there's 'a player in there' if he hasn't got the correct attitude. If he were to think he's just up here to pick up a wage and that it's only a pub league then so what, then he can do one!

Im not saying he is thinking that but we do know that Scottish football and indeed Scotland in general is regarded as some sort of distant backwater and for some players that come up here from England, subconsciously at least, these thoughts are there.

There's no evidence that's the case, the best thing to do is to let him come back, give him a chance (FWIW I'd have Joe Newell in my starting eleven now and we had people on here saying he wasn't even lowland league level) and go from there.

It clearly wasn't an easy team to do well in early this season so he deserves a clean slate like everyone else. He's not had a Matt Doherty moment so I think we have to take it at face value.

**MrRobot** · 16-01-2020 09:40 AM

Would like to see him get a shot under Ross before moving him on, if thats the clubs intention.

**SquashedFrogg** · 16-01-2020 10:16 AM

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I couldn't care less if there's 'a player in there' if he hasn't got the correct attitude. If he were to think he's just up here to pick up a wage and that it's only a pub league then so what, then he can do one!

Im not saying he is thinking that but we do know that Scottish football and indeed Scotland in general is regarded as some sort of distant backwater and for some players that come up here from England, subconsciously at least, these thoughts are there.

Not really sure how to discuss your point any further tbh.

Quite incredible.

***blackpoolhibs*** · 17-01-2020 10:25 AM

There might be a player in there that others have seen when playing for Bolton, but as a Hibs player we've not seen that player.

JR has not picked him, Eddie May dropped him straight away when we got rid of the last clown. Apparently he's injured now and still at the club, if JR can get him playing well then good, but in my opinion, i dont see that happening.

**Brooster** · 17-01-2020 05:24 PM

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There might be a player in there that others have seen when playing for Bolton, but as a Hibs player we've not seen that player.

JR has not picked him, Eddie May dropped him straight away when we got rid of the last clown. Apparently he's injured now and still at the club, if JR can get him playing well then good, but in my opinion, i dont see that happening.

Absolutely spot on. I can't figure out how some people think "there's a player in there'. He is garbage.

**~~Dunbar Hibee~~** · 17-01-2020 05:26 PM

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Absolutely spot on. I can't figure out how some people think "there's a player in there'. He is garbage.

Agreed. With the heart of a mouse too.

**sean04** · 17-01-2020 05:34 PM

Wouldn’t mind seeing him under Ross, Really has to perform to save his career

***JimBHibees*** · 18-01-2020 08:31 AM

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Yes. He signed a long term deal.

Other option is moving him on and getting better value from someone else.

**Andy74** · 18-01-2020 08:35 AM

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Agreed. With the heart of a mouse too.

This continues to one of the most pathetic things people say on here.

***J-C*** · 18-01-2020 08:35 AM

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Other option is moving him on and getting better value from someone else.

Only bonus in all this was he was a free agent so only cost us a signing on fee, I'd assume we'd be happy to allow him to go.

***J-C*** · 18-01-2020 08:38 AM

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This continues to one of the most pathetic things people say on here.

I agree but he's one of those players who runs around a lot without actually doing anything, like a janitor with a screwdriver and a cloth, always looks like he's working

***green day*** · 18-01-2020 08:41 AM

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I agree but he's one of those players who runs around a lot without actually doing anything, like a janitor with a screwdriver and a cloth, always looks like he's working

***tamig*** · 18-01-2020 10:26 AM

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This continues to one of the most pathetic things people say on here.

Agreed. See it so many times. Newell had it plastered all over him for weeks.

***blackpoolhibs*** · 18-01-2020 10:38 AM

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I agree but he's one of those players who runs around a lot without actually doing anything, like a janitor with a screwdriver and a cloth, always looks like he's working