The future of the Labour Party

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If you are a top earner you can reduce your tax bill for the benefits of others.



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I read an article recently but can’t find it now which said that 56% of people spend at least one year in the top 10% of earners. If that’s right then It’s possible that saying your only going to tax the top 10% of earners might not be that popular.

Saying you were going to tax the top 10% of earners would be very popular indeed.

Saying you were going to increase taxes for the top 10% would be less popular, though nobody did say that.

[Curried]

Lisa Nandy, Jess Phillips and Ian Murray all going Full Swinson over Scotland during the last few days:

https://twitter.com/stephenpaton134/status/1217558374092623874

https://twitter.com/jessphillips/sta...527168?lang=en

https://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP/stat...12766231887873

These red Tories really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.....No wonder Labour are deid in Scotland.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Lisa Nandy, Jess Phillips and Ian Murray all going Full Swinson over Scotland during the last few days:

https://twitter.com/stephenpaton134/status/1217558374092623874

https://twitter.com/jessphillips/sta...527168?lang=en

https://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP/stat...12766231887873

These red Tories really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.....No wonder Labour are deid in Scotland.

The last one where Murray throws softballs to the Tory SoS is the ultimate cringe.

On the other 2 though, I noticed Stephen Bush of the New Statesman on twitter saying they're coming over hardline Unionist because they think it will play well with CLPs in Scotland. To get onto the ballot, candidates have to be backed by 33 CLPs across the UK or 3 Labour affiliate organisations (trade unions etc).

[Northernhibee]

If Rebecca Long Bailey gets in - and Momentum are backing her - then we're ****ed. Already has the stench of Corbyn mk.2 about her and by saying that she backs Corbyn 100% it means Labour ain't winning back the areas in the north of England that they need to.

Momentum are a cancer on this country and the Labour party.

[Curried]

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The last one where Murray throws softballs to the Tory SoS is the ultimate cringe.

On the other 2 though, I noticed Stephen Bush of the New Statesman on twitter saying they're coming over hardline Unionist because they think it will play well with CLPs in Scotland. To get onto the ballot, candidates have to be backed by 33 CLPs across the UK or 3 Labour affiliate organisations (trade unions etc).

Indeed, the Murray-Jack interchange is truly cringe-worthy and looks like it’s one rehearsed on the training ground earlier. Also, fair call on the Nandy/Phillips no-surrender stance. It seems they’ve calculated this will win them sufficient backing from CPL branches south of the border.

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Indeed, the Murray-Jack interchange is truly cringe-worthy and looks like it’s one rehearsed on the training ground earlier. Also, fair call on the Nandy/Phillips no-surrender stance. It seems they’ve calculated this will win them sufficient backing from CPL branches south of the border.

It will likely win them backing north of the border as well. The local Labour parties are likely full on unionist now after all the independent thinkers left for the SNP.


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If Rebecca Long Bailey gets in - and Momentum are backing her - then we're ****ed. Already has the stench of Corbyn mk.2 about her and by saying that she backs Corbyn 100% it means Labour ain't winning back the areas in the north of England that they need to.

Momentum are a cancer on this country and the Labour party.

Only half of Momentum members say Long-Bailey is their preferred candidate, and only 10% of Labour Party members belong to Momentum.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...mentum-members

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It will likely win them backing north of the border as well. The local Labour parties are likely full on unionist now after all the independent thinkers left for the SNP.


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I can only hope that's not true.

BTW A see *********** gets an appearance around 25 secs into Murray’s Deputy Leader video pitch. No doubt this story on Edinburgh West will go down well in Red Morningside.

https://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP/stat...77887232843776

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If Rebecca Long Bailey gets in - and Momentum are backing her - then we're ****ed. Already has the stench of Corbyn mk.2 about her and by saying that she backs Corbyn 100% it means Labour ain't winning back the areas in the north of England that they need to.

Momentum are a cancer on this country and the Labour party.

The Momentum stitch up has been embarrassing. They recommended RLB and then gave their members a ballot with only Yes/No to RLB as the options. So much for democratising the movement.

[JeMeSouviens]

Momentum apparently has 40000 members, of whom just over 5000 endorsed RLB (70% of those who voted). I guess with only one candidate it was hardly worth bothering but her team will probably be a little concerned at such a small response?

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Couldn't believe my ears when RLB said in an interview that she was happy with the manifesto created for the last election and that she was proud to have been heavily involved in its creation.

That'll be the manifesto that resulted in Labour getting seriously pumped.

She's a female Corbyn and if elected as leader the Tories will be a very happy bunch indeed

[Bostonhibby]

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If Rebecca Long Bailey gets in - and Momentum are backing her - then we're ****ed. Already has the stench of Corbyn mk.2 about her and by saying that she backs Corbyn 100% it means Labour ain't winning back the areas in the north of England that they need to.

Momentum are a cancer on this country and the Labour party.

I agree, this cabal cost Labour 100% of the support amongst the labour supporters in my circle.

Their efforts at democratically selecting RLB as the candidate they're backing to the exclusion of all others looks like it came from the Robert Mugabe handbook of how to do democracy.

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[Colr]

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I agree, this cabal cost Labour 100% of the support amongst the labour supporters in my circle.

Their efforts at democratically selecting RLB as the candidate they're backing to the exclusion of all others looks like it came from the Robert Mugabe handbook of how to do democracy.

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You can imagine what they’d be like in power!! Frightening!!

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You can imagine what they’d be like in power!! Frightening!!

They're already in charge of what is the limit of their potential and are probably quite happy inwardly impressing each other.



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[Colr]

Apparently, RLB’s name was the only one on the ballot form that went out to Momentum members.

Can anyone confirm or refute that?

[JeMeSouviens]

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Apparently, RLB’s name was the only one on the ballot form that went out to Momentum members.

Can anyone confirm or refute that?

Yes, that's correct. Their executive decided to nominate RLB for leader and Angela Rayner for deputy and the membership were given a Y/N option for each.

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Yes, that's correct. Their executive decided to nominate RLB for leader and Angela Rayner for deputy and the membership were given a Y/N option for each.

Sounds very North Korean , but sadly might be true.

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Sounds very North Korean , but sadly might be true.

30% said they didn't want Long-Bailey, though, which I don't think you would get to do in NK.

Incidentally, how long do authorities keep GE ballot papers before destroying them? I don't necessarily want Cummings and his Ministry of Public Enlightenment checking back and finding out that I voted against their sorry asses. (As part of their 'constitutional reforms'.)

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30% said they didn't want her, though, which I don't think you would get to do in NK.

Incidentally, how long do authorities keep GE ballot papers before destroying them? I don't necessarily want Cummings and his Ministry of Public Enlightenment checking back and finding out that I voted against their sorry asses.

Aye, but I get the impression if 99% didn't want her the executive machine was delivering her anyway by their failure to offer the chance to support any other candidates.

If Cummings turns up at my door I swear I'll do time

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[Colr]

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30% said they didn't want Long-Bailey, though, which I don't think you would get to do in NK.

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Their names will have been added to “the list”!

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Amongst whom?

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Jess Phillips about to pull out of leadership race. Can only help Starmer.


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Amongst whom?

Labour members


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[JeMeSouviens]

Jess Philips gives up having got no unions onside and presumably struggling in the clps. Another resounding triumph for Blair McDougall

[Future17]

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30% said they didn't want Long-Bailey, though, which I don't think you would get to do in NK.

Incidentally, how long do authorities keep GE ballot papers before destroying them? I don't necessarily want Cummings and his Ministry of Public Enlightenment checking back and finding out that I voted against their sorry asses. (As part of their 'constitutional reforms'.)

It used to be one year but, as I understand it, since the introduction of GDPR there is technically no set period. Each Returning Officer (so effectively Council area in Scotland) is required to have their own policy on how long such documents will be retained for.

Technically, the minimum acceptable period would be 21 days but, in practice, I understand most are adhering to one year due to convention.

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It used to be one year but, as I understand it, since the introduction of GDPR there is technically no set period. Each Returning Officer (so effectively Council area in Scotland) is required to have their own policy on how long such documents will be retained for.

Technically, the minimum acceptable period would be 21 days but, in practice, I understand most are adhering to one year due to convention.

Ta.

[Bristolhibby]

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If Rebecca Long Bailey gets in - and Momentum are backing her - then we're ****ed. Already has the stench of Corbyn mk.2 about her and by saying that she backs Corbyn 100% it means Labour ain't winning back the areas in the north of England that they need to.

Momentum are a cancer on this country and the Labour party.

That said, was it not Corbyn himself that was putting people off voting Labour. His policies actually went down well in a blind taste test.

J

[Kato]

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That said, was it not Corbyn himself that was putting people off voting Labour. His policies actually went down well in a blind taste test.

J

This is true, Labour's policies were more popular than anyone else's when blind tested.

The last election, like many, was decided by emotions - not any kind of cerebral balancing of policies that might be best for the country.