US drone strike kills one of the most powerful men in Iran

[wpj]

Boris is doing his eh,uh, blustering stop start pish ruffling his hair act while saying nothing at all. What an absolutely useless prick. Corbyn asked some good reasonable questions, I am not a fan of both but these questions should be allowed in the house. Corbyn lacks the killing blow though. The legality issue is a justified question in international law. We have been there before with Blair.

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I'm still amazed that some fanatic/level headed person hasn't popped a cap in Trump yet.

Not that I would wish it on this idiot, but I can’t understand why he hasn’t been taken out yet. And, in terms of political and wartime protocol, how legal was Trump’s murder of the Iranian guy?

[Cataplana]

Trump did not look too cocky on tonight's news, and his language was reminiscent of somebody who had just had the sht kicked out of them, but still wanted to save face.

When he said Iran has stood down, it sounded more like a plea than a victorious statement. I suspect he wants this all to go away very quickly.

[Jim44]

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Not that I would wish it on this idiot, but I can’t understand why he hasn’t been taken out yet. And, in terms of political and wartime protocol, how legal was Trump’s murder of the Iranian guy?

My first statement still applies, but, ignorance confessed, I didn’t know that the Iranian guy was a designated terrorist. I thought he was a political leader.

[Smartie]

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I wouldn't be so sure Iran and it's allies would lose. However, they would sustain severe damage to their infrastructure, and that is a good enough reason to avoid war.

I suppose it would all be about how exactly you define winning and losing - it would be hard to see how anyone could really "win", but it would be easy to see how either side could lose.

[Jones28]

Deliberate attempt by trump to distract from impeachment?

[lapsedhibee]

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Deliberate attempt by trump to distract from impeachment?

And an attempt to bump up his approval ratings in an election year. And probably a bit of willie-waving as well.

Johnson is in a bit of bother though, as Trump has now publicly instructed him to withdraw from the nucular deal with Iran.

[Future17]

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Ukranian airliner crashes after take off in Tehran. 170 on board.

US media now reporting the Iranians shot this down with a missile.

[Cataplana]

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US media now reporting the Iranians shot this down with a missile.

Any reports on the lack of casualties they are claiming at their air bases. I would expect pictures to show that "all is well."

As for the plane, the only way they would know is if they were actually there. What proof are they offering?

[GlesgaeHibby]

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Any reports on the lack of casualties they are claiming at their air bases. I would expect pictures to show that "all is well."

As for the plane, the only way they would know is if they were actually there. What proof are they offering?

Satellite blips detecting two missile launches and one detecting an explosion.

Would tie in with the fact that the flight data shows a normal take-off and ascent, and the fact that no distress calls were sent.

Iranians were quick to jump in suggesting engine failure, when it was clear to see from flight data that an engine failure was highly unlikely to be the cause.

[Cataplana]

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Satellite blips detecting two missile launches and one detecting an explosion.

Would tie in with the fact that the flight data shows a normal take-off and ascent, and the fact that no distress calls were sent.

Iranians were quick to jump in suggesting engine failure, when it was clear to see from flight data that an engine failure was highly unlikely to be the cause.

Thanks, that makes sense, do they know where the missile was fired from.

[Mibbes Aye]

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US media now reporting the Iranians shot this down with a missile.

I’m going to throw in a spicy twist!

We are in 2020 and so much talk nowadays is about state actors carrying out assymetric and cyber warfare. All the major powers are reputed to be investing loads in how to get into other nations’ energy systems, communication systems, military command and control systems etc.

Would it take that much to hack into the tech of these missiles and have a go at steering it into international flight paths?

The question then would be who benefits? The Americans would be a simplistic answer but Russia have their history with Ukraine and want to retain influence in Iran as a proxy (while Iran probably don’t want to be anyone’s proxy).

Even more convoluted conspiracy theories on a postcard please. £5 book token for the most complicated yet slightly plausible!

[Cataplana]

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I’m going to throw in a spicy twist!

We are in 2020 and so much talk nowadays is about state actors carrying out assymetric and cyber warfare. All the major powers are reputed to be investing loads in how to get into other nations’ energy systems, communication systems, military command and control systems etc.

Would it take that much to hack into the tech of these missiles and have a go at steering it into international flight paths?

The question then would be who benefits? The Americans would be a simplistic answer but Russia have their history with Ukraine and want to retain influence in Iran as a proxy (while Iran probably don’t want to be anyone’s proxy).

Even more convoluted conspiracy theories on a postcard please. £5 book token for the most complicated yet slightly plausible!

KLM and the Dutch appear to have played a very long game.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'd imagine that the Iranian air defences were on high alert immediately after they'd bombed US targets in Iraq. Easy to imagine that someone might have mistakenly armed their GTA with wrong settings or there was a fault in the target recognition system. I don't think there's more to this appalling tragedy than that.

[Bristolhibby]

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Satellite blips detecting two missile launches and one detecting an explosion.

Would tie in with the fact that the flight data shows a normal take-off and ascent, and the fact that no distress calls were sent.

Iranians were quick to jump in suggesting engine failure, when it was clear to see from flight data that an engine failure was highly unlikely to be the cause.

Also I’ve seen some tell tail shrapnel holes in the wreckage that lines up with a surface to air missile hit.

I’ll have a look for the pics.

J

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I'd imagine that the Iranian air defences were on high alert immediately after they'd bombed US targets in Iraq. Easy to imagine that someone might have mistakenly armed their GTA with wrong settings or there was a fault in the target recognition system. I don't think there's more to this appalling tragedy than that.

This. My first thought when I heard about it. The Iranian Air Defence system would have been on high alert expecting an immediate US response.

J

[Billy Whizz]

British citizens onboard

[Ozyhibby]

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British citizens onboard

3 I think. Mostly Canadians though who had been to a wedding.


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3 I think. Mostly Canadians though who had been to a wedding.


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Absolutely shocking if they’ve been shot down. Do we lay the blame at Trump now

[Ozyhibby]

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Absolutely shocking if they’ve been shot down. Do we lay the blame at Trump now

Nah, this one is on the Iranians. I suppose flying airliners in and out of what is now a war zone is not such a great idea though. More than likely this is an accident.


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[Billy Whizz]

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Nah, this one is on the Iranians. I suppose flying airliners in and out of what is now a war zone is not such a great idea though. More than likely this is an accident.


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Who started it though

[RyeSloan]

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Who started it though

It’s not a playground fight!

How far back do you want to go with that question?

IF it was an Iranian missile then it’s pretty clear it’s on them. Or indeed we could blame the Russians for selling them the missiles.

Iranian flight 655 was shot down by the US in error after the cruiser had been attacked by Iranian speedboats...if we are to follow the Trump started it logic we would need to blame the Iranians for that one even although it was clearly a US missile fired from a US cruiser.

[Mr Grieves]

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena...ranian-suburb/

[Future17]

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I’m going to throw in a spicy twist!

We are in 2020 and so much talk nowadays is about state actors carrying out assymetric and cyber warfare. All the major powers are reputed to be investing loads in how to get into other nations’ energy systems, communication systems, military command and control systems etc.

Would it take that much to hack into the tech of these missiles and have a go at steering it into international flight paths?

The question then would be who benefits? The Americans would be a simplistic answer but Russia have their history with Ukraine and want to retain influence in Iran as a proxy (while Iran probably don’t want to be anyone’s proxy).

Even more convoluted conspiracy theories on a postcard please. £5 book token for the most complicated yet slightly plausible!

The Iranians apparently use Russian-made missile systems. Read into that what you will.

[Bristolhibby]

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The Iranians apparently use Russian-made missile systems. Read into that what you will.

Well they ain’t going to use an American or Israeli Air Defence System!

Russia is their only viable supplier. Especially as the Russians are being canny. They have sold the Turks some of their Air Defence Systems. Likewise the Syrians. I’d say they are building a formidable presence in the Middle East. They have a Mediterranean port in Syria now as well.

J

[Ozyhibby]

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Well they ain’t going to use an American or Israeli Air Defence System!

Russia is their only viable supplier. Especially as the Russians are being canny. They have sold the Turks some of their Air Defence Systems. Likewise the Syrians. I’d say they are building a formidable presence in the Middle East. They have a Mediterranean port in Syria now as well.

J

Not bad for a country with a smaller economy than Holland’s.


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[Slavers]

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Not bad for a country with a smaller economy than Holland’s.


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Russian Economy - GDP 1.578 trillion USD (2017)World Bank

Netherlands Economy - GDP 826.2 billion USD (2017) World Bank

[MagicSwirlingShip]

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Not bad for a country with a smaller economy than Holland’s.


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Reports are they’ve just discovered a 53 billion barrel oil field. To add to their 150billion barrel reserves. They’re no skint.

[Ozyhibby]

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Russian Economy - GDP 1.578 trillion USD (2017)World Bank

Netherlands Economy - GDP 826.2 billion USD (2017) World Bank

Italy then.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Reports are they’ve just discovered a 53 billion barrel oil field. To add to their 150billion barrel reserves. They’re no skint.

Venezuela and Saudi Arabia both have a lot more than them with much smaller populations to share it among but both are dirt poor.


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