US Election 2020

[Hibernia&Alba]

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I’m sure Trump will hold back on calling him a socialist, especially as Sanders calls himself that.



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And? He is hardly Leon Trotsky.

[Ozyhibby]

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And? He is hardly Leon Trotsky.

I agree but that won’t matter. It’s how he will be portrayed. He will be sold as the guy who wants to take away your medical insurance.
As far as American politics goes, he’s as far left as it gets and I don’t think they will vote for that.


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[lyonhibs]

I'm preparing myself for a dreadful repeat of BoJo.

5 more years of Trump - my god - is what I'm resigned to. People are idiots and showbiz/infantile slogans will win.

Would be ecstatic to be proven wrong though.

[Smartie]

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I'm preparing myself for a dreadful repeat of BoJo.

5 more years of Trump - my god - is what I'm resigned to. People are idiots and showbiz/infantile slogans will win.

Would be ecstatic to be proven wrong though.

I’d like to think the world will start to come to its senses soon, this would be a decent place to start.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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I agree but that won’t matter. It’s how he will be portrayed. He will be sold as the guy who wants to take away your medical insurance.
As far as American politics goes, he’s as far left as it gets and I don’t think they will vote for that.


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And give you free health care at the point of delivery instead, the evil commie

[CloudSquall]

Rather ironically a lot of what Sanders was saying 7 or 8 years ago on NAFTA and immigration was similiar to what Trump said in the election campaign and what won him the states around the lakes.


From what I know the American 401k savings plan is tied to stock market performance, if the economy keeps growing as it is and the stock market keeps making new highs it's going to be hard for the Democrats to get Trump out.


It's fashionable to rip on Trump, however if you are a working middle class American are you going to potentially risk the stock market and economy for a Democrat that (if not a centralist) could see markets tumble?

[Vault Boy]

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Rather ironically a lot of what Sanders was saying 7 or 8 years ago on NAFTA and immigration was similiar to what Trump said in the election campaign and what won him the states around the lakes.


From what I know the American 401k savings plan is tied to stock market performance, if the economy keeps growing as it is and the stock market keeps making new highs it's going to be hard for the Democrats to get Trump out.


It's fashionable to rip on Trump, however if you are a working middle class American are you going to potentially risk the stock market and economy for a Democrat that (if not a centralist) could see markets tumble?

The American economy has grown every year for 11 years though, so it was initiated by a Democrat in Obama, after a Republican oversaw their recession.

The issues with Trump are far more to do with the fact he's such a poor diplomat, the antithesis of a statesman and a volatile xenophobe. As a middle class American, I'd be embarrassed by that man running my country.

Oh and Merry Christmas everyone!!

[Ozyhibby]

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And give you free health care at the point of delivery instead, the evil commie

I know but as I said earlier, that looks like a risk to someone who has health insurance with their job. American are suspicious of universal healthcare. They think it can’t be done. And tearing down the current system results in lots of people thinking they are losing out.


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[JeMeSouviens]

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I'm preparing myself for a dreadful repeat of BoJo.

5 more years of Trump - my god - is what I'm resigned to. People are idiots and showbiz/infantile slogans will win.

Would be ecstatic to be proven wrong though.

Prepare for ecstasy! (US presidents only get 4 year terms )

[Ozyhibby]

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Prepare for ecstasy! (US presidents only get 4 year terms )

I’m not convinced this one would go quietly if he lost an election.


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[Haymaker]

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I’m not convinced this one would go quietly if he lost an election.


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Correct.

[Haymaker]

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Why would any working class American oppose universal healthcare?

You'd be surprised.

[Cataplana]

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And give you free health care at the point of delivery instead, the evil commie

It's only free if you don't pay anything towards it.

[Mibbes Aye]

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I meant Hilary in 2016.

I know. I meant that Bill and Barack tacked more to the centre that Bernie and that was how they ensured the electoral arithmetic.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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It's only free if you don't pay anything towards it.

The poor still deserve healthcare. Almost everybody pays national insurance at some point in life. When someone is unable to do that for a period, they still deserve the care.

And non-profit system much cheaper to run. The USA spends roughly twice its GDP on health care than the UK, France, Germany, Scandinavian countries, yet has sixty million people without any coverage. The American system is incredibly bureaucratic.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

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You'd be surprised.

Yeah many Americans regard universal healthcare as some sort of socialist/communist ideal and is fundamentally wrong and evil.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Yeah many Americans regard universal healthcare as some sort of socialist/communist ideal and is fundamentally wrong and evil.

This is true. They've been fed that line by big business and the conservative media for decades.

[lyonhibs]

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Prepare for ecstasy! (US presidents only get 4 year terms )

Ahhh, 2024 let the good times roll.........

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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I’m always amazed just how old the candidates can be!

I mean good on them but boy how do they find the energy at nearly 80 to go on a year long campaign?

That aside it’s an interesting race for the Democrats. Contrary to some I believe Biden could beat Trump but Warren would have no chance.

Yang is an interesting one but he’s tied himself to a few very large but rather wonky policies so not sure that was too wise.

In the end though I’m sure .net will be 95% on the ‘anyone but Trump’ side of the argument. As a poster said earlier US politics makes Johnson look like a leftie!

But even left / right aside I’m amazed anyone could vote for Trump this time around. Last time yeah, I get why some bought into his bombastic approach and ridiculous rhetoric. But this time? No way. Just one read of his twitter feed should be enough to tell you that.

People get entrenched, just like people are entrenched with Bolsonaro and in time Johnson. It then becomes a pride thing. We’re ****** until these clowns see out their respective times in office the worrying thing tho is less the figureheads of Trump, Bolsonaro and Johnson more those behind them enabling this mayhem.

[Vault Boy]

Biden still topping most of the polls, Bernie closing in rather quickly though. Warren dropping like a stone, nearly sub 10% in some polls now, with Yang climbing from >5% to 7% recently too.

I think Sanders might nip this.

[Colr]

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Biden still topping most of the polls, Bernie closing in rather quickly though. Warren dropping like a stone, nearly sub 10% in some polls now, with Yang climbing from >5% to 7% recently too.

I think Sanders might nip this.

He’s the American Corbyn and only a Democrat when it suits him.

Trump will be delighted.

[Vault Boy]

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He’s the American Corbyn and only a Democrat when it suits him.

Trump will be delighted.

Agreed. I think he stands more of a wildcard chance than perhaps Biden, however I really think one of millennial candidates would have been a truer opposition.

[Colr]

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Agreed. I think he stands more of a wildcard chance than perhaps Biden, however I really think one of millennial candidates would have been a truer opposition.

OAC looks an interesting prospect.

[Vault Boy]

Yang has qualified for the next debate now. Mon the Yang Gang.

Agreed re OAC, Colr.

[Ozyhibby]

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OAC looks an interesting prospect.

Literally too young.
It’s a poor field of candidates.


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[JeMeSouviens]

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OAC looks an interesting prospect.

AOC? As in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? Interesting but already demonised by the US media. If she runs in future it will be very difficult for her to get a fair hearing.

[Ozyhibby]

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AOC? As in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? Interesting but already demonised by the US media. If she runs in future it will be very difficult for her to get a fair hearing.

She is also way too left to ever win nationwide in America. I think Bernie is as well and if he wins the nomination I think trump wins.
I think Biden is a poor candidate but if he avoids looking like a ditsy old man could probably beat Trump.


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[SHODAN]

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Prepare for ecstasy! (US presidents only get 4 year terms )

Who says he won't try and scrap term limits?

[JeMeSouviens]

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Who says he won't try and scrap term limits?

I can't believe I overlooked that screamingly obvious point!

If Putin can do it, why not Trumpy?

[Vault Boy]

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I can't believe I overlooked that screamingly obvious point!

If Putin can do it, why not Trumpy?

All joking aside this is a perfect example of why the American political structure is in *some* ways very admirable. It mitigates against unconstitutional acts very strongly and holds its president to account rather thoroughly. It's exactly why Trump never could pull a Putin, for example.

Of course there are many more inherent problems with persisting with the legal doctrine of a ~250 year old document, however ultimately I think 4 year terms, a constitution, an elected head of state and a secular democracy are all rather good things, many of which the UK would benefit from adopting.

That was quite a tangent from myself. Next debate is 7th Feb in New Hampshire. Looking forward to Yang being back on the stage.