Scottish Independence

[marinello59]

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What's the Twitter spat ongoing between a couple of fairly prominent Yes supporters all about? Marky Booth, who may or may not exist, and Cameron Archibald?

You can almost guarantee when a few people involved in grassroots politics get a sniff of both power and getting what they want that they will find a way to self destruct.

That’s an interesting read from Archibald. It gives Wag Wars a run for its money.

[Moulin Yarns]

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What's the Twitter spat ongoing between a couple of fairly prominent Yes supporters all about? Marky Booth, who may or may not exist, and Cameron Archibald?

You can almost guarantee when a few people involved in grassroots politics get a sniff of both power and getting what they want that they will find a way to self destruct.

Just seen this on twitter


Sorry to ruin the fun folks, but the user @MarkyBooth97 is actually a scammer called Michael Wright who has lied to you all.

Indy supporters who have donated to him have done so under false pretences. Time to call him out.

https://t.co/aDwehxCbN8

[bawheid]

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Just seen this on twitter


Sorry to ruin the fun folks, but the user @MarkyBooth97 is actually a scammer called Michael Wright who has lied to you all.

Indy supporters who have donated to him have done so under false pretences. Time to call him out.

https://t.co/aDwehxCbN8

Look like the Indy movement has their very own Irvine Jambo.

[CloudSquall]

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Just seen this on twitter


Sorry to ruin the fun folks, but the user @MarkyBooth97 is actually a scammer called Michael Wright who has lied to you all.

Indy supporters who have donated to him have done so under false pretences. Time to call him out.

https://t.co/aDwehxCbN8

Imagine being the poor guy in the US who has no idea his photos are being used for an account like that which is currently top news in the Scottish Indy Twitter world

[Peevemor]

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Look like the Indy movement has their very own Irvine Jambo.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if it turned out to be the same person. The similarities are uncanny.

[SHODAN]

Alister Jack on Radio Scotland pretty much saying absolutely nothing (majority of seats in UK or Scottish Parliament, or consistent support of 60%+ in opinion polls) is a mandate for a referendum, ever.

[Ozyhibby]

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Alister Jack on Radio Scotland pretty much saying absolutely nothing (majority of seats in UK or Scottish Parliament, or consistent support of 60%+ in opinion polls) is a mandate for a referendum, ever.

BBC started talking about a 60% figure yesterday morning and I wondered where they got that from? Now I’m wondering if it’s co-ordinated.


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[marinello59]

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BBC started talking about a 60% figure yesterday morning and I wondered where they got that from? Now I’m wondering if it’s co-ordinated.


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Wasn’t 60% supposedly the figure Sturgeon wanted to see the polls at before having another referendum? She certainly doesn’t want it right now based on the current figures, there is still a risk of losing.

[danhibees1875]

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BBC started talking about a 60% figure yesterday morning and I wondered where they got that from? Now I’m wondering if it’s co-ordinated.


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I posted last week that gathering momentum and taking 60%+ at the polls eventually would be a better way of achieving independence. Presumably the Tories and BBC have just stolen it from me.

[USAHibby]

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Alister Jack on Radio Scotland pretty much saying absolutely nothing (majority of seats in UK or Scottish Parliament, or consistent support of 60%+ in opinion polls) is a mandate for a referendum, ever.

Perhaps somebody should inform Alister Jack that there is already a pro-independence majority at Holyrood and has been since 2016. They voted through a mandate in 2017 and have just voted through the legislative process for handing referenda powers over to the Scottish Parliament yesterday. It amazes me how stupid they think people are.

[lapsedhibee]

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Perhaps somebody should inform Alister Jack that there is already a pro-independence majority at Holyrood and has been since 2016. They voted through a mandate in 2017 and have just voted through the legislative process for handing referenda powers over to the Scottish Parliament yesterday. It amazes me how stupid they think people are.

Lying works. He's just following a highly successful party policy.

[SHODAN]

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Lying works. He's just following a highly successful party policy.

Johnson is clearly trying to see how long this stonewalling thing will take him. Going to be a long hard battle to get this through; the courts will get involved.

[Cataplana]

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Johnson is clearly trying to see how long this stonewalling thing will take him. Going to be a long hard battle to get this through; the courts will get involved.

The longer he stonewalls, the more he proves Sturgeon's point that they treat us with disdain. She's in no hurry, his best bet would be to get it over quickly.

Now would be a good time when it seems most people have had enough of politics.

[marinello59]

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Johnson is clearly trying to see how long this stonewalling thing will take him. Going to be a long hard battle to get this through; the courts will get involved.

On what basis will the courts get involved? All Sturgeon can do is apply slow steady political pressure. It will pay off eventually but it is going to take time, there will be no magic bullet.
Johnson on the other will be hoping that the Brexit bounce for independence doesn’t really kick in and will be cynically wishing for the Salmond trial to do major damage. This has a couple of years at least to run.

[marinello59]

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Perhaps somebody should inform Alister Jack that there is already a pro-independence majority at Holyrood and has been since 2016. They voted through a mandate in 2017 and have just voted through the legislative process for handing referenda powers over to the Scottish Parliament yesterday. It amazes me how stupid they think people are.

Sturgeon cleverly isn’t claiming there is a majority for Independence. She is claiming there is a majority for a second referendum. We shouldn’t let Westminster try and shift the emphasis from that.

[Ozyhibby]

I think the plan is to get Johnson to set the terms by which another referendum is granted. So far it’s just now is not the time. That can’t last because it’s not democratic. There has to be a road map and they have put it on him to set that. He could set an impossible target but that carries political risk. Will be interesting to hear the uk govt reply.


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[lapsedhibee]

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On what basis will the courts get involved?

Might try to push for something based on the 1989 Claim of Right.

[marinello59]

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Might try to push for something based on the 1989 Claim of Right.

I don’t think it carries any legal recognition.

[grunt]

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Might try to push for something based on the 1989 Claim of Right.

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I don’t think it carries any legal recognition.

Oh well that's that argument destroyed then!!

[lapsedhibee]

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I don’t think it carries any legal recognition.

Nonetheless, a court in Scotland may be sympathetic to what Sturgeon is trying to argue.

[marinello59]

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Oh well that's that argument destroyed then!!

Hardly, the Scottish Government might find something worth following there. I ain’t pinning my hopes on a magic fix though.

[Peevemor]

As I've posted before, I'm fairly certain that the SNP know exactly how to take this through the courts. It could well involve texts that are 100s of years old but that makes no difference if they haven't been superseded.

[Cataplana]

Does anybody really think using arcane tactics to achieve an objective will play well with the electorate?

As we saw in England, it just looks like people being smart arsed to get things in through the back door.

[Peevemor]

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Does anybody really think using arcane tactics to achieve an objective will play well with the electorate?

As we saw in England, it just looks like people being smart arsed to get things in through the back door.

Is the union itself not founded on the arcane?

Do people know why we're governed from London?

[marinello59]

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As I've posted before, I'm fairly certain that the SNP know exactly how to take this through the courts. It could well involve texts that are 100s of years old but that makes no difference if they haven't been superseded.

Baldrick and his cunning plan springs to mind.
I hope you are right though I am far from convinced there is anything to be gained from going down that route. The key to this may turn out to be the next Holyrood elections.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Might try to push for something based on the 1989 Claim of Right.

The 1689 claim of right became an act of the Scottish Parliament in 1703 and was retained in the 1707 act of union.

It has reference to parliamentary superiority over the crown. (as well as lots of anti Catholic rhetoric) whether it gives Scottish people a right to self determination is not very clear, but as it has been useful to stop the prorogation of Parliament then the government lawyers can probably argue the point.

[Cataplana]

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Is the union itself not founded on the arcane?

Do people know why we're governed from London?

Depends on what "that bloke on the telly" says.

[Mibbes Aye]

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As I've posted before, I'm fairly certain that the SNP know exactly how to take this through the courts. It could well involve texts that are 100s of years old but that makes no difference if they haven't been superseded.

Well that is just nonsense. Mobile phones were only developed in the last few decades. Unless you are one of those tin foil hat-types and you are suggesting our reptilian overlords have had the technology since the 17th century but only just shared it with us.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Well that is just nonsense. Mobile phones were only developed in the last few decades. Unless you are one of those tin foil hat-types and you are suggesting our reptilian overlords have had the technology since the 17th century but only just shared it with us.

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[JeMeSouviens]

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Well that is just nonsense. Mobile phones were only developed in the last few decades. Unless you are one of those tin foil hat-types and you are suggesting our reptilian overlords have had the technology since the 17th century but only just shared it with us.

Reptilian overlords are all on whatsapp.