General election 2019

[heretoday]

Actually, I'll stick my neck out and say the vast majority of the voting public couldn't give a monkey's about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party or anywhere else. The whole thing is part of the game of political whiff-whaff played out in TV studios.

[Ozyhibby]

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Actually, I'll stick my neck out and say the vast majority of the voting public couldn't give a monkey's about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party or anywhere else. The whole thing is part of the game of political whiff-whaff played out in TV studios.

On its own I agree, it’s not people’s number 1 concern but it helps paint a picture of incompetence that it’s not been dealt with. Are they really up to building a super fast broadband network and run a railway if they can’t sort what should have been a really simple issue within the party?


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[G B Young]

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Actually, I'll stick my neck out and say the vast majority of the voting public couldn't give a monkey's about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party or anywhere else. The whole thing is part of the game of political whiff-whaff played out in TV studios.

Do you mean most of the voting public don't see it as a key electoral issue or that most of the voting public don't care about racism?

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[One Day Soon]

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What is the source of this document?

[Ozyhibby]

Corbyn on TV handing out inredacted documents showing that the NHS would be included in trade talks with US. Dramatic stuff.


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[SHODAN]

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Corbyn on TV handing out inredacted documents showing that the NHS would be included in trade talks with US. Dramatic stuff.


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I look forward to this being all over the press, especially the "impartial" ones like the BBC.

Wait, nope, the BBC front page has (ironically) the SNP manifesto as the headline. Maybe tomorrow they'll claim Johnson handed out documents about Corbyn selling off the NHS instead as their latest "mistake".

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[Sylar]

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Corbyn on TV handing out inredacted documents showing that the NHS would be included in trade talks with US. Dramatic stuff.


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Currently watching him dissecting these documents live on Twitter. I'm not a fan of Corbyn, and I'm not a Labour man, but he's utterly hammering the Conservatives using their own documents.

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[marinello59]

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I look forward to this being all over the press, especially the "impartial" ones like the BBC.

Wait, nope, the BBC front page has (ironically) the SNP manifesto as the headline. Maybe tomorrow they'll claim Johnson handed out documents about Corbyn selling off the NHS instead as their latest "mistake".

From the front page of the BBC website. Obviously they are hiding this stuff in full view again .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572454

[lapsedhibee]

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From the front page of the BBC website. Obviously they are hiding this stuff in full view again .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572454

Including the usual Kuenssberg pro-Tory angle, which is certainly never hidden.

[SHODAN]

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From the front page of the BBC website. Obviously they are hiding this stuff in full view again .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572454

It's on the front page but it isn't the top story was what I was implying.

[Ozyhibby]

To be fair, it’s only just been released by Labour so all media outlets will be playing catch up trying to read it. It’s a pretty big leak right in the middle of an election campaign.


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[Ozyhibby]

It will take time to find all the little gems in it.



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[One Day Soon]

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It will take time to find all the little gems in it.



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I'm not clear what you think this means.

[Ozyhibby]

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I'm not clear what you think this means.

It means the Americans will be pushing us towards no deal as it helps them.


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[JeMeSouviens]

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I'm not clear what you think this means.

If the UK has no commitment to alignment with EU standards then everything can be dropped to the lowest common denominator. The Brexiteers' wet dream.

[One Day Soon]

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It means the Americans will be pushing us towards no deal as it helps them.


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If the UK has no commitment to alignment with EU standards then everything can be dropped to the lowest common denominator. The Brexiteers' wet dream.

Yes but neither of these things means that the NHS is up for grabs. It may be up for grabs - may be, though I doubt that very much - but this isn't evidence of it. Not even the current mentalist version of the Tories is politically suicidal enough to attempt to dismantle the NHS.

These are minutes summarising the negotiating position being taken by the US side.

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Truss's response: Corbyn is lying about what's in the documents because he's an anti-Semite.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Yes but neither of these things means that the NHS is up for grabs. It may be up for grabs - may be, though I doubt that very much - but this isn't evidence of it. Not even the current mentalist version of the Tories is politically suicidal enough to attempt to dismantle the NHS.

These are minutes summarising the negotiating position being taken by the US side.

The NHS is just a political soundbite hook to hang it on (although US healthcare providers will want in to the UK where they can get in), the implications of a US-UK deal are much more wide ranging. The UK side will be desperate for a trade "win" and dwarfed by the economic might of the US. It will cause a degradation of rights and protections for consumers, workers, the environment, etc etc across the board in all sorts of ways. ****** great if you're a small state, low regulation, worker squeezing Tory ******* though.

[The Harp Awakes]

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Including the usual Kuenssberg pro-Tory angle, which is certainly never hidden.

She's not even trying to hide her bias now. The only thing she hates more than the Labour Party is the SNP.

[Ozyhibby]

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Yes but neither of these things means that the NHS is up for grabs. It may be up for grabs - may be, though I doubt that very much - but this isn't evidence of it. Not even the current mentalist version of the Tories is politically suicidal enough to attempt to dismantle the NHS.

These are minutes summarising the negotiating position being taken by the US side.

If it was not on the table then it would say so on page 1 of this document. The fact that these documents cover 6 meetings and they are still talking about the NHS means it is most definitely not off the table.


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[G B Young]

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Including the usual Kuenssberg pro-Tory angle, which is certainly never hidden.

In what way was it biased to ask whether the documents actually provide any evidence that the governement has offered the NHS for sale as part of a trade deal? The fact Corbyn was unable to answer that inidcates that while there might have been all sorts of issues discussed around trade post-Brexit with the US (and the documents apparently emcompass a great deal more than just the NHS) there not any evidence of such an agreement.

Not surprising Labour are trying to steer the conversation back in this direction after yesterday's fiasco mind you.

[G B Young]

I watched a bit of the SNP manifesto launch. What struck me was how scathing she is about Corbyn and described choosing between him and Johnson as as choice between "the devil and the deep blue sea". If she regards him with such disdain why keep pursuing the possibility of supporting Labour in government? Would she really trust him to back down on independence in the unlikely event he was to become PM?

[One Day Soon]

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That post is an absolute disgrace.

[Ozyhibby]

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In what way was it biased to ask whether the documents actually provide any evidence that the governement has offered the NHS for sale as part of a trade deal? The fact Corbyn was unable to answer that inidcates that while there might have been all sorts of issues discussed around trade post-Brexit with the US (and the documents apparently emcompass a great deal more than just the NHS) there not any evidence of such an agreement.

Not surprising Labour are trying to steer the conversation back in this direction after yesterday's fiasco mind you.

Of course there is no agreement but it is being discussed. That can’t be denied. The NHS is on the table in our trade deal with the US.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Why are Jewish brits responsible for Israel?


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[One Day Soon]

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Of course there is no agreement but it is being discussed. That can’t be denied. The NHS is on the table in our trade deal with the US.


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Really? Show some evidence of that then.

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Why are Jewish brits responsible for Israel?


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Indeed. Not even Israeli Jews are responsible for the actions of the state of Israel.