General election 2019

[G B Young]

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Doesn’t matter anyway. They can’t win with Corbyn.


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Chairman of Leicester East Labour Party quits, describing Corbyn as "the clown that leads the Labour Party":

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/elec...ost_type=share

[Jones28]

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Does anyone really care about these 'debates'? At least with the Lib Dems and the SNP involved it might have diluted the slanging match that these one-to-one events tend to descend into (witness the appalling Darling v Salmond shoutfests in 2014).

It’s like watching question time but nothing from the audience to break up the arguing and no Dimbleby with his big metaphorical stick.

[G B Young]

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It’s like watching question time but nothing from the audience to break up the arguing and no Dimbleby with his big metaphorical stick.

Indeed. I also loathe Question Time.

[Fife-Hibee]

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I would argue that the assumptions are correct. Brexit was swung by the older vote, those who voted Brexit but vote labour will turn away from labour and Corbyn and go to the nearest port for brexiteers, either the Brexit party or Boris.

Or something else entirely.

I have a horrible feeling the silent majority will vote the conservatives in by a landslide.

I've never really bought into this "silent majority" idea. I'm thinking this high 65+ turnout includes many people in care homes who won't have a clue that they just voted conservative.

[Mibbes Aye]

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I've never really bought into this "silent majority" idea. I'm thinking this high 65+ turnout includes many people in care homes who won't have a clue that they just voted conservative.

What a senseless and insulting post. And you won’t have a thing to back it up but it doesn’t stop you just making stuff up.

[G B Young]

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14-point lead for the Tories according to this:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...emy-corbyn-new

[G B Young]

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I've never really bought into this "silent majority" idea. I'm thinking this high 65+ turnout includes many people in care homes who won't have a clue that they just voted conservative.

Yep those pesky old folk, what could they possibly know about anything?

Pretty disrespectful to brush off anyone over 65 as 'care home' material.

[Jones28]

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I've never really bought into this "silent majority" idea. I'm thinking this high 65+ turnout includes many people in care homes who won't have a clue that they just voted conservative.

The same silent majority voted No in the referendum.

Otherwise the rest of your post is in pretty poor taste.

[Smartie]

My mum dragging my senile grandmother along to vote no was one of the most depressing things I've seen in my life.

[Hiber-nation]

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I've never really bought into this "silent majority" idea. I'm thinking this high 65+ turnout includes many people in care homes who won't have a clue that they just voted conservative.

Christ, 4 years to go then.

You really need to either go away or think before posting.

[Fife-Hibee]

It's in bad taste to suggest that electoral fraud happens?

90%+ of over 65's planning to vote? I'm not buying it at all.

[Fife-Hibee]

This no mark is all very positive about Scotland being put back in it's box. Doesn't it just warm your heart?

[Fife-Hibee]

In case anybody misses the ITV "debate" later...

[Cataplana]

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It's in bad taste to suggest that electoral fraud happens?

90%+ of over 65's planning to vote? I'm not buying it at all.

It wasn't your best joke.

[McSwanky]

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This no mark is all very positive about Scotland being put back in it's box. Doesn't it just warm your heart?

Who is that?

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[Fife-Hibee]

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Who is that?

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Just your average southern tory keeping the colony in check.

[DaveF]

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I've never really bought into this "silent majority" idea. I'm thinking this high 65+ turnout includes many people in care homes who won't have a clue that they just voted conservative.

That's just ****ing dire. Get this removed.

[Pretty Boy]

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I've never really bought into this "silent majority" idea. I'm thinking this high 65+ turnout includes many people in care homes who won't have a clue that they just voted conservative.

Even by your standards this post is an absolute ****ing shocker. Your are, to put it bluntly, a disgrace.

[Mr_F]

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That's just ****ing dire. Get this removed.

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Even by your standards this post is an absolute ****ing shocker. Your are, to put it bluntly, a disgrace.

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My mum dragging my senile grandmother along to vote no was one of the most depressing things I've seen in my life.

[CloudSquall]

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Let's not ruin the mock outrage crew's time to shine

[DaveF]

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Let's not ruin the mock outrage crew's time to shine

What are you on about with the mock outrage crap? It's a crass, insensitive post and if you and the other poster can't see that then you are blind.

To spell it out though, feel free to laugh at my wife while telling her that her Dad was voting for anyone he was told to as his life was wasting away in a care home.

[Future17]

I can’t believe I find myself defending one of Fife’s posts on here, but I’ve personally spoken with people who believe that their elderly relatives, resident in care homes and the like, had votes cast on their behalf without their knowledge.

Quite why Fife considers this would be a crime perpetrated by (or, more accurately, on behalf of) the Conservative Party rather than any other party is beyond me but, given the title of the thread about that Party on this board, his post doesn’t strike me as an allegation worthy of the level of condemnation it has received.

[Smartie]

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If I may explain.......

My mum has power of attorney to over my gran. My gran left school at 8 to help look after her large family and has never been interested in politics. During the indendence referendum my mum made sure she registered for a vote so my mum could effectively have a second vote. It would be fair to say that my gran was not at the time the most mentally acute, nor was she particularly mobile.

I’m all for democracy but it wasn’t a particularly dignified spectacle, and it wouldn’t have been any more dignified had her loving grandson helped her along to put a tick in the yes column.

[southsider]

On GMB Reid showed her true colours. She called the Labour Leader Corbyn but the PM Boris. That’s not even his fecken name ! It’s pathetic and the ‘debate’ tonight will be a shoe-in for Johnston as the producers will make it so. God help us.

[JeMeSouviens]

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I would argue that the assumptions are correct. Brexit was swung by the older vote, those who voted Brexit but vote labour will turn away from labour and Corbyn and go to the nearest port for brexiteers, either the Brexit party or Boris.

Or something else entirely.

I have a horrible feeling the silent majority will vote the conservatives in by a landslide.

It is a well established fact that older voters are:

- far more likely to vote
- far more likely to favour Brexit
- far more likely to reject Indy
- far more likely to be Tories

[Cataplana]

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What are you on about with the mock outrage crap? It's a crass, insensitive post and if you and the other poster can't see that then you are blind.

To spell it out though, feel free to laugh at my wife while telling her that her Dad was voting for anyone he was told to as his life was wasting away in a care home.

"Wasting away" is a bit clumsy as well. I'm sure the care home staff don't think their residents live such a horrible existence.

Its easy to say the wrong thing when sticking up for others

[Mr_F]

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If I may explain.......

My mum has power of attorney to over my gran. My gran left school at 8 to help look after her large family and has never been interested in politics. During the indendence referendum my mum made sure she registered for a vote so my mum could effectively have a second vote. It would be fair to say that my gran was not at the time the most mentally acute, nor was she particularly mobile.

I’m all for democracy but it wasn’t a particularly dignified spectacle, and it wouldn’t have been any more dignified had her loving grandson helped her along to put a tick in the yes column.

The wasn't aimed at your post, was more to say that Fife-Hibee's comment probably isn't far from the truth.

[lapsedhibee]

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It is a well established fact that older voters are:

- far more likely to vote
- far more likely to favour Brexit
- far more likely to reject Indy
- far more likely to be Tories

- far more likely to feel the cold in December
- far more likely to break bones if they fall

[DaveF]

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"Wasting away" is a bit clumsy as well. I'm sure the care home staff don't think their residents live such a horrible existence.

Its easy to say the wrong thing when sticking up for others

Not really, given I watched it happen and you didn't.

Anyway, I'll let you bash on with the debate. If this the level of it then I won't be back to read it.

[DaveF]

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The wasn't aimed at your post, was more to say that Fife-Hibee's comment probably isn't far from the truth.

Maybe, maybe not but it is, IMO, completely inappropriate and insensitive.