General election 2019

[Mibbes Aye]

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It has tax powers that would be grossly irresponsible to use without the leverage to control other tax powers still reserved at Westminster. No use in raising taxes if it's only to then be deducted from the 50% or so we get back from our tax contributions to the UK treasury already.


All part of 'partial' devolution. At the time the Scottish Government only had the power to freeze council tax for everybody or nobody at all. So they chose to freeze it for everybody. Sure, it helped out rich people.... but it still helped out everybody else as well.



You talk about the health boards as if they are the SNP. The SNP simply gives the health board targets to meet. It's up to the health board to either agree to these targets or to appeal against them. They didn't put an appeal in against the proposed targets despite being fully aware of the budget they were being given. So the axe really falls on the health board, not the Scottish Government.



Hmm yes. Remind me, who is actually accusing the health minister again? Because all we keep hearing is "NHS whistleblower", but no name.

The claim that the death 'may have' been connected with hospital water supplies in 2017 haven't been backed up with a single shred of evidence.

Considering the sheer lack of evidence, I find it disgraceful that the tories are trying to gain political capital over the death of a child. Especially considering their own 'proven' failures on the NHS in England leading to multiple deaths. Deaths that the SNP never sink to a level low enough to try and seek political capital out of.


I agree. That's why they're looking to take ownership by removing ownership from London.

Where to start.

Your council tax freeze didn’t benefit the poorest as they were exempt and didn’t benefit the poor as they were on a lower rate anyway. So it helped out the better-off more than it helped out the worse off.

Public money as a middle class bribe. Great.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Where to start.

Your council tax freeze didn’t benefit the poorest as they were exempt and didn’t benefit the poor as they were on a lower rate anyway. So it helped out the better-off more than it helped out the worse off.

Public money as a middle class bribe. Great.

Probably played a pretty big part in keeping them in power all of these years. No wonder you're raging.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Probably played a pretty big part in keeping them in power all of these years. No wonder you're raging.

No raging on my part. Just critiquing and commentating.

They are failing on health.

[Fife-Hibee]

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No raging on my part. Just critiquing and commentating.

They are failing on health.

If they're failing, then they'll soon be replaced. If enough people are satisfied with their performance, they'll add to their 12 year tally.

[Mibbes Aye]

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If they're failing, then they'll soon be replaced. If enough people are satisfied with their performance, they'll add to their 12 year tally.

You cant commentate on their health performance because you don’t know what you would be talking about, do you?

For those of us who do know what we are talking about, performance has failed, and doesn’t show any sign of getting better.

[Ozyhibby]

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If they're failing, then they'll soon be replaced. If enough people are satisfied with their performance, they'll add to their 12 year tally.

That’s the thing. When people are asked about their personal experience on Health they all say how great the NHS were. And they know it’s better than England and that’s all it can really be compared with because other systems are very different with a lot more private providers.
MA is probably right about areas where it is failing but politically it doesn’t matter because the general public think it’s going great.



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[Fife-Hibee]

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You cant commentate on their health performance because you don’t know what you would be talking about, do you?

For those of us who do know what we are talking about, performance has failed, and doesn’t show any sign of getting better.

Well the SNP have been in government for 12 years. It's only a matter of time before a majority catch up with your superior level of intellect on the matter and vote them out of government, right?

[Moulin Yarns]

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You either break the law or you don’t. One of the means SG avoids it is by health boards paying BUPA or other private providers to step in and make up for the lack of capacity in the statutory sector. Yet people on here criticise BoJo for wanting to privatise the NHS but don’t speak up when Nicola Sturgeon pumps money to the private sector.

I’m glad to have you accepted it is written in law and I’m glad you have accepted that the law has been broken something approaching 200,000 times by the government that created that law

You forgot to mention the workplace parking levy. 😉

[DaveF]

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Droll and informative.

I have no interest in a legal battle, but I do know that the SNP government made a law that they have broken 150-200,000 times. Can you refute that?

And as it goes I like the Calderwood/Butcher analogy. It sums up the situation pretty aptly.

FFS, I used a smiley MA. Surely even you could see it was in jest.

You are getting so wrapped up in politics you are losing sight of any light humour.

[Colr]

Liberal surge from Labour in Tory seats reported in London

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...-lib-dem-surge

Suggestions of this as a trend around the home counties as well where Tories are also dropping support. Not enough on these figures to lose seats but signs that the Tories might fall short around London and in Scotland but Labour won’t benefit.

Really does start to look like this election will be decided in the midlands and northern cities. Could well be another hung parliament.

[Ozyhibby]

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Liberal surge from Labour in Tory seats reported in London

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...-lib-dem-surge

Suggestions of this as a trend around the home counties as well where Tories are also dropping support. Not enough on these figures to lose seats but signs that the Tories might fall short around London and in Scotland but Labour won’t benefit.

Really does start to look like this election will be decided in the midlands and northern cities. Could well be another hung parliament.

All the polls still point to a Tory majority. If anything they are getting better for Johnson.


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[allmodcons]

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The SNP government has control over the health service in Scotland.

The SNP government has tax raising powers it has chosen not to use.

The SNP government oversaw a council tax freeze for many years which benefitted the richest over the poorest and forsake tax-raising income, as some form of middle-class bribe.

The SNP government was in charge for the omnishambles that was QEII, the Sick Kids, the massive overspend that has to be written off by various health boards, the toxic bullying cultures in a number of health boards.

The SNP government has a minister in charge of health who is accused of a cover-up over child deaths in our flagship hospital.

You are right, they have been in power a long time. Therefore time they took ownership.

This is a little out of date but it's a decent record for the party of Government. It goes some way to explaining why so many voters put their cross against the SNP.

https://theferret.scot/fact-check-sn...cal-broadcast/

I get that you'd never vote SNP but do you really think there is a better alternative in Scotland right now?

God forbid a Tory Administration at Holyrood and can you imagine the omni-shambles that is Scottish Labour at the helm.

[Future17]

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Labour now copying the Lib Dem ploy in Scotland to mislead people with graphs that try to take us all for idiots.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...sWZdS1esWt5LeM

So much for the electoral commission.

I'm not following the criticism of the Electoral Commission here?

[Cataplana]

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Liberal surge from Labour in Tory seats reported in London

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...-lib-dem-surge

Suggestions of this as a trend around the home counties as well where Tories are also dropping support. Not enough on these figures to lose seats but signs that the Tories might fall short around London and in Scotland but Labour won’t benefit.

Really does start to look like this election will be decided in the midlands and northern cities. Could well be another hung parliament.

The Midlands will vote for Boris, he's their kind of guy.

[Ozyhibby]

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This is a little out of date but it's a decent record for the party of Government. It goes some way to explaining why so many voters put their cross against the SNP.

https://theferret.scot/fact-check-sn...cal-broadcast/

I get that you'd never vote SNP but do you really think there is a better alternative in Scotland right now?

God forbid a Tory Administration at Holyrood and can you imagine the omni-shambles that is Scottish Labour at the helm.

There is no alternative in Scotland just now. And that is a problem medium term. Last thing we need is the SNP getting complacent.


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[Colr]

Britain Elects website has regional polls showing Labour vote collapsing across the midlands but Tories being eaten into by Brexit.

[marinello59]

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Britain Elects website has regional polls showing Labour vote collapsing across the midlands but Tories being eaten into by Brexit.

if Crobyn has caved on free movement then their vote is going to collapse further.

[Colr]

Watching London Politics this morning talking about Alexander de Pfeffel’s slim majority in Uxbridge.

What happen’s if Boris loses his seat but the Tories get a majority.

The Tories didn’t have a deputy PM and don’t have a deputy leader? Who would be PM?

[G B Young]

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All the polls still point to a Tory majority. If anything they are getting better for Johnson.


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Comfortable Tory lead across the latest polls:

https://politicshome.com/news/uk/pol...ion-polls-give

[marinello59]

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Watching London Politics this morning talking about Alexander de Pfeffel’s slim majority in Uxbridge.

What happen’s if Boris loses his seat but the Tories get a majority.

The Tories didn’t have a deputy PM and don’t have a deputy leader? Who would be PM?

He could be made a member of the House of Lords which would enable him to remain as PM until he won a seat somewhere else. He would need a deputy to speak for him in the commons though.

[Colr]

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He could be made a member of the House of Lords which would enable him to remain as PM until he won a seat somewhere else. He would need a deputy to speak for him in the commons though.

How long does it take to be made a Lord, I wonder? Who would propose him. The Queen would have to agree. Would put her in a difficult position (he’s done that before).

I wonder who the official second in command is in the Tories.

[Jack Hackett]

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He could be made a member of the House of Lords which would enable him to remain as PM until he won a seat somewhere else. He would need a deputy to speak for him in the commons though.

The possibility of being Lord Boris would no doubt be an appealing prospect, as would avoiding PMQ's

[Fife-Hibee]

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Comfortable Tory lead across the latest polls:

https://politicshome.com/news/uk/pol...ion-polls-give

How is their lead looking in Scotland?

[heretoday]

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if Crobyn has caved on free movement then their vote is going to collapse further.

He's advocating filling important vacancies with people from outwith Britain, I think. Boris is talking about an Australian points system also. Same idea.

Free Movement is a term we've grown used to since Brexit started but it's not something you can just turn off. If fewer EU folk come here after Brexit, we'll have to get folk from elsewhere. Unfortunately, we can't hope to fill posts from our own employment pool.

Actually, I admire Corbyn for coming up with radical policy proposals that sound something like government taking an interest in its people. If the Labour vote collapses because of that then more fool the electorate, say I.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Actually, I admire Corbyn for coming up with radical policy proposals that sound something like government taking an interest in its people. If the Labour vote collapses because of that then more fool the electorate, say I.

Many people don't want government "taking an interest in them". They want government to stay out of their lives as much as possible.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Comfortable Tory lead across the latest polls:

https://politicshome.com/news/uk/pol...ion-polls-give

When you look at the policy proposals of the two major parties, combined with the rank incompetence of Johnson and his hardline Brexit government, I find this astonishing. Perhaps I'm just way outside mainstream opinion (I probably am) but I find this poll baffling. Perhaps it's wrong, like at the last general election when the polls predicted a Conservative majority of over one hundred. I don't know.

[Ozyhibby]

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When you look at the policy proposals of the two major parties, combined with the rank incompetence of Johnson and his hardline Brexit government, I find this astonishing. Perhaps I'm just way outside mainstream opinion (I probably am) but I find this poll baffling. Perhaps it's wrong, like at the last general election when the polls predicted a Conservative majority of over one hundred. I don't know.

Only brexit is keeping Corbyn competitive which is amazing considering he personally would rather be out.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

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Only brexit is keeping Corbyn competitive which is amazing considering he personally would rather be out.


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Yet there are a number of innovative and exciting policy proposals from Labour, in contrast to the Tories' more of the same neoliberalism. This election represents the first opportunity in a generation to move away from Thatcherism.

[Ozyhibby]

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Yet there are a number of innovative and exciting policy proposals from Labour, in contrast to the Tories' more of the same neoliberalism. This election represents the first opportunity in a generation to move away from Thatcherism.

Your assuming people want that? I don’t think there is much appetite for a return to nationalised industries and socialism in the UK.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

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Your assuming people want that? I don’t think there is much appetite for a return to nationalised industries and socialism in the UK.


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Yet the Corbyn proposals would improve the lives of the vast majority, both personally and as a society. The majority of people would be financially better off, if nothing else. It's baffling to me.