General election 2019

[Moulin Yarns]

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According to Curtice their chances of a majority are 'virtually zero' so I guess there's no harm just throwing any old promise into the mix at this stage:

https://politicshome.com/news/uk/pol...st-zero-claims

The bit in bold rings a bell

https://images.app.goo.gl/aAdstT9fM64m3HFU6

[cabbageandribs1875]

Labour come out with some cracking promises, everything will be free, big increases in wages, the magic money tree has been well and truly shaken their meetings are better(and funnier) than the early xmas TV adverts so far, very much looking forward to a few days before voting day and if Labour are behind in the polls promising one free food day every month for everyone, but, it will take until 2030 to get organised

[Cataplana]

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Labour come out with some cracking promises, everything will be free, big increases in wages, the magic money tree has been well and truly shaken their meetings are better(and funnier) than the early xmas TV adverts so far, very much looking forward to a few days before voting day and if Labour are behind in the polls promising one free food day every month for everyone, but, it will take until 2030 to get organised

Can you sell oil for money? (This is not a trick question.)

It's just that there is a lot of money in our economy and to give up and say it can't be distributed more fairly is defeatest.

[marinello59]

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BT are ine of the worst companies I have ever dealt with. The very worst of a privatised monopoly. Take them back as a nationalised monopoly ? What could possibly go wrong? I can only imagine the cost overruns and delays will be even worse from them under the control of government.

So you'd agree that the service we currently get is unsatisfactory? Add in the slow roll out of superfast broadband compared to other countries and something needs to be done. The NHS is effectively a nationalised monopoly and nobody would seriously suggest we would have a better service under private ownership. Instead we have a service that many in Scotland hold up as an example of good practice so they can be made to work.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Can you sell oil for money? (This is not a trick question.)

It's just that there is a lot of money in our economy and to give up and say it can't be distributed more fairly is a bit silly.

The fact that a few people are sat on more money than they can ever hope to spend is outrageous, that money isn't going to reenter the economy anytime soon. A redistribution of wealth through higher taxes for billionaires will not make them destitute, instead it will put it back in the economy providing jobs, services and more self reliant taxpayers to keep the country ticking over.

[Cataplana]

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The fact that a few people are sat on more money than they can ever hope to spend is outrageous, that money isn't going to reenter the economy anytime soon. A redistribution of wealth through higher taxes for billionaires will not make them destitute, instead it will put it back in the economy providing jobs, services and more self reliant taxpayers to keep the country ticking over.

If we had accepted the status quo in the past, we'd still be living in houses with outside toilets and worrying about getting ill because we can't pay the bills.

[ronaldo7]

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I think currently that would get a majority of support in Scotland however my issue with it is that we were promised ultra devolution after the referendum and got the square root of f all.

I just don't trust them to actually deliver it, maybe it would be different with a Labour government supported by the SNP though.

Don't hold your breath. Labour were the worst culprits during the Smith commission discussions, wanting to keep everything in London.

[lapsedhibee]

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If we had accepted the status quo in the past, we'd still be living in houses with outside toilets and worrying about getting ill because we can't pay the bills.

Outside toilets? We had to dig a hole in the back yard!

[Cataplana]

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Outside toilets? We had to dig a hole in the back yard!

Things like that have ceased to be thankfully.

[Onceinawhile]

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Outside toilets? We had to dig a hole in the back yard!

You had a back yard? Luxury.

[Bristolhibby]

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You had a back yard? Luxury.

You mean you didn’t have a single room with 12 living in one bed?

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[southsider]

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If we had accepted the status quo in the past, we'd still be living in houses with outside toilets and worrying about getting ill because we can't pay the bills.

Down down

[Cataplana]

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Down down

That was a Piledriver.

[Fife-Hibee]

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If it meant staying in the EU and ultra devolution (with provision making it illegal for any of it to be rolled back by future UK goverments) then I might accept.

Devolution is a trap, because it still allows the UK Government to borrow and spend money on our behalf. There's things that they'll simply never devolve such as defence and control of our own borders, which will allow them to continue their economic pokery and make it appear like Scotland has a huge gaping deficit.

It's independence and independence only for me and I think that's where the vast majority on this side are at now.

[SHODAN]

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Devolution is a trap, because it still allows the UK Government to borrow and spend money on our behalf. There's things that they'll simply never devolve such as defence and control of our own borders, which will allow them to continue their economic pokery and make it appear like Scotland has a huge gaping deficit.

It's independence and independence only for me and I think that's where the vast majority on this side are at now.

I'm the same but it's getting to the point where I have a mortgage and a family on the horizon and I'd be prepared to accept staying in the EU and shelving a referendum for a decade or so, just for a bit of stability. If Brexit happens then yeah, full steam ahead on independence.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Less worse than Wales. Even less worse than England.... and even less worse still than Northern Ireland.

If the targets were being hit in Scotland, the targets would be getting set even higher and unionists would be complaining about those targets not being hit either. The purpose of them is to push the Scottish NHS to it's absolute best. The SNP could quite easily lower the target to 90% and rub it in to the rest of the UK. But that's not why they set targets in Scotland.

If that’s the purpose then it shows a lack of competence on the part of Scottish Government because the targets consistently get missed. I wonder what that does for morale in the Scottish NHS.

You talk about percentage points but I think you miss the point that these aren’t percentage points, these are thousands of real people, with health conditions, possibly very painful and debilitating.

Lets not not forget it was the SNP who set legally-binding targets on themselves. They have broken their own law 150-200,000 times now. I am looking forward to someone explaining to me how that is either reasonable or competent.

[CloudSquall]

https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/st...049665/photo/1

Absolute belter of a graph from the Tories here.

For reference the 2017 results for Livingston were the below,

SNP 21k
Labour 17k
Tories 12k

[lucky]

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Devolution is a trap, because it still allows the UK Government to borrow and spend money on our behalf. There's things that they'll simply never devolve such as defence and control of our own borders, which will allow them to continue their economic pokery and make it appear like Scotland has a huge gaping deficit.

It's independence and independence only for me and I think that's where the vast majority on this side are at now.

Vast majority on side with independence, big statement. Not seen any polls that show that. The SNP are riding high in the polls and have been for years now but they are no nearer achieving a mandate for independence now as they were 5 years ago. This election is not about Brexit or even independence, it’s simple it’s an election on austerity. If people want more austerity vote Tory if you want to do it differently vote Labour. The SNP can’t win this election at best they may for part of a rainbow coalition but an SNP vote won’t give you independence or even a referendum on it regardless of Nicola’s comments.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Vast majority on side with independence, big statement. Not seen any polls that show that. The SNP are riding high in the polls and have been for years now but they are no nearer achieving a mandate for independence now as they were 5 years ago. This election is not about Brexit or even independence, it’s simple it’s an election on austerity. If people want more austerity vote Tory if you want to do it differently vote Labour. The SNP can’t win this election at best they may for part of a rainbow coalition but an SNP vote won’t give you independence or even a referendum on it regardless of Nicola’s comments.

Not what he said. Let me interpret for you:

The vast majority of those on the Yes side want nothing less than indy, ie. won't settle for a further devo compromise.

[G B Young]

Caption time?

[Fife-Hibee]

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If that’s the purpose then it shows a lack of competence on the part of Scottish Government because the targets consistently get missed. I wonder what that does for morale in the Scottish NHS.

You talk about percentage points but I think you miss the point that these aren’t percentage points, these are thousands of real people, with health conditions, possibly very painful and debilitating.

Lets not not forget it was the SNP who set legally-binding targets on themselves. They have broken their own law 150-200,000 times now. I am looking forward to someone explaining to me how that is either reasonable or competent.

There's no such thing as "legally binding targets". If that were the case, the Scottish Government, the UK Government and the Welsh/Nothern Ireland Assemblies would have the courts to answer to.

You can call it a lack of competence. But I personally think it makes more sense to set targets that are extremely difficult to hit in order to get the best out of a service as opposed to setting lower targets just for the sake of hitting them.

It demonstrates that the SNP are putting performance over politics. The targets under the current economic and social climate are near on impossible to hit. This is well known in Government departments across the UK. But Scotland does come the closest.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Vast majority on side with independence, big statement. Not seen any polls that show that. The SNP are riding high in the polls and have been for years now but they are no nearer achieving a mandate for independence now as they were 5 years ago. This election is not about Brexit or even independence, it’s simple it’s an election on austerity. If people want more austerity vote Tory if you want to do it differently vote Labour. The SNP can’t win this election at best they may for part of a rainbow coalition but an SNP vote won’t give you independence or even a referendum on it regardless of Nicola’s comments.

Voting Labour in Scotland is pointless as it simply divides the SNP vote and acts as a backdoor for tory candidates to take the seats. I'll tell you this much though. If a situation arises after the election where Labour have the opportunity to form a Government and Corbyn maintains his stance regarding another referendum in Scotland. Labour will not be forming the next Government. The SNP showed 40 years ago that they wouldn't be jerked around at the cost of Scotlands sovereignty and they certainly won't be jerked around this time either.

It's take it or leave it Labour as far as the SNP are concerned.

[Slavers]

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There's no such thing as "legally binding targets". If that were the case, the Scottish Government, the UK Government and the Welsh/Nothern Ireland Assemblies would have the courts to answer to.

You can call it a lack of competence. But I personally think it makes more sense to set targets that are extremely difficult to hit in order to get the best out of a service as opposed to setting lower targets just for the sake of hitting them.

It demonstrates that the SNP are putting performance over politics. The targets under the current economic and social climate are near on impossible to hit. This is well known in Government departments across the UK. But Scotland does come the closest.

Except the SNP done the exact opposite with Education? They set lower targets so they could meet them?

[Fife-Hibee]

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Except the SNP done the exact opposite with Education? They set lower targets so they could meet them?

The attainment targets are no lower here than anywhere else in the UK. Besides, having higher targets isn't going to make individual students try any harder in their exams.

[stoneyburn hibs]

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Except the SNP done the exact opposite with Education? They set lower targets so they could meet them?

Please show your workings.

[Cataplana]

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If that’s the purpose then it shows a lack of competence on the part of Scottish Government because the targets consistently get missed. I wonder what that does for morale in the Scottish NHS.

You talk about percentage points but I think you miss the point that these aren’t percentage points, these are thousands of real people, with health conditions, possibly very painful and debilitating.

Lets not not forget it was the SNP who set legally-binding targets on themselves. They have broken their own law 150-200,000 times now. I am looking forward to someone explaining to me how that is either reasonable or competent.

Believe me, missed targets are not a source of low morale in the NHS. Low wages, and a patronising "it's not your fault" attitude from public and politicians do much more harm.

A typical example is when the health service says "keep us out of the election" only to be passed around like a football by people who have neither the ability to understand health care, or the desire to do anything about it.

The NHS seems to have become the universal panacea for all our problems. We have an imbalance in the distribution of wealth, but both sides would rather focus on how hospitals are run than doing something about improving people's lot.

If people had hope, they wouldn't be so worried about getting unwell.

[CloudSquall]

Inverness Central (Highland) result:

SNP: 45.2% (+12.3)
CON: 15.3% (+2.9)
IND: 12.3% (+12.3)
LDEM: 10.5% (+6.0)
GRN: 9.8% (+3.7)
LAB: 6.9% (-10.0)

SNP HOLD.

No Ind(s) (-27.3) as prev.


I know it's a council by-election but F me, Labour in 6th..

[DaveF]

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Inverness Central (Highland) result:

SNP: 45.2% (+12.3)
CON: 15.3% (+2.9)
IND: 12.3% (+12.3)
LDEM: 10.5% (+6.0)
GRN: 9.8% (+3.7)
LAB: 6.9% (-10.0)

SNP HOLD.

No Ind(s) (-27.3) as prev.


I know it's a council by-election but F me, Labour in 6th..

Maybe the Independent was ex Labour looking at their increase against Labour decrease?

[Fife-Hibee]

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Inverness Central (Highland) result:

SNP: 45.2% (+12.3)
CON: 15.3% (+2.9)
IND: 12.3% (+12.3)
LDEM: 10.5% (+6.0)
GRN: 9.8% (+3.7)
LAB: 6.9% (-10.0)

SNP HOLD.

No Ind(s) (-27.3) as prev.


I know it's a council by-election but F me, Labour in 6th..

That along with the 2 by-election victories in Fife shows things are beginning to swing back towards them again. Wouldn't be surprised to see the SNP return 50+ seats again.

[Mibbes Aye]

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There's no such thing as "legally binding targets". If that were the case, the Scottish Government, the UK Government and the Welsh/Nothern Ireland Assemblies would have the courts to answer to.

You can call it a lack of competence. But I personally think it makes more sense to set targets that are extremely difficult to hit in order to get the best out of a service as opposed to setting lower targets just for the sake of hitting them.

It demonstrates that the SNP are putting performance over politics. The targets under the current economic and social climate are near on impossible to hit. This is well known in Government departments across the UK. But Scotland does come the closest.

The Patient Rights Act (Scotland) Act 2011 is maybe what you haven’t read. In no small part, this is why the NHS in Scotland spends money on private providers.

I agree with setting exacting targets, but when you clearly are missing them by a country mile, then it becomes less about the target and more about what the hell you are doing to address under-performance.