General election 2019

[Hibrandenburg]

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Do you not think your being slightly optimistic? Keep in mind that all 27 nations need to agree?

Does Scotland not need to meet a list of criteria before it is allowed to join?

Do we meet them all yet?

https://youtu.be/eQzm0FXXerM

[Fife-Hibee]

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Do you not think your being slightly optimistic? Keep in mind that all 27 nations need to agree?

Does Scotland not need to meet a list of criteria before it is allowed to join?

Do we meet them all yet?

Scotland can't meet the criteria as part of the UK. As even the UK technically doesn't meet the criteria, although that's never been a problem.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Erm I hope your not adopting a supremist mindset.

Why not? Wouldn't that just be very 'British' of us?

[Slavers]

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Why not? Wouldn't that just be very 'British' of us?

Well it would be very hypocritical.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Boris getting the dead cat out again.

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This post intrigues me.

I don't get it....

Rumour is he's enjoyed a lot of pussy.

[Fife-Hibee]

Another embarrassing defeat for the UK Government by the court - https://www.theguardian.com/society/...er-bedroom-tax

[Jones28]

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Oh wow. You could see it a mile off:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50405032

Corbyn wouldn’t even speak to him. His scarf is tartan ffs, any ****er should be able to take some nutter to task on that kind of comment.

[southsider]

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Erm I hope your not adopting a supremist mindset. I'm sure the people of North Macedonia and Albania are very proud of their nations and do not feel inferior to anyone.

The difference is that Scotland, abit tutu the UK, is a long standing member of the EU. Would the 27 throw us out if England/Wales left or would they give us, the same rights as NI until full membership came thru. Never heard of any Nation being expelled from EU.

[Ozyhibby]

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The difference is that Scotland, abit tutu the UK, is a long standing member of the EU. Would the 27 throw us out if England/Wales left or would they give us, the same rights as NI until full membership came thru. Never heard of any Nation being expelled from EU.

We would sail into the EU because we already meet all the criteria for entry.


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[SHODAN]

You have to laugh that the argument has gone from "Scotland might lose EU membership" to "Scotland won't get back in to the EU now we've dragged them out".

[CloudSquall]

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Erm I hope your not adopting a supremist mindset. I'm sure the people of North Macedonia and Albania are very proud of their nations and do not feel inferior to anyone.

In terms of EU membership I'd put us far above Albania and North Macedonia in terms of suitability.

[lucky]

If Scotland becomes independent and then applies for EU membership again then surely the terms of any agreement would need to put back to the people. This will take years so I can’t see Scotland joined the EU anytime soon. It would also lead to a hard border with a England.

[Ozyhibby]

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If Scotland becomes independent and then applies for EU membership again then surely the terms of any agreement would need to put back to the people. This will take years so I can’t see Scotland joined the EU anytime soon. It would also lead to a hard border with a England.

Depends if the UK ends up with a hard border with the EU. That’s not at all certain yet.


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[Moulin Yarns]

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BBC Reality Check

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50406110

[Cataplana]

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If Scotland becomes independent and then applies for EU membership again then surely the terms of any agreement would need to put back to the people. This will take years so I can’t see Scotland joined the EU anytime soon. It would also lead to a hard border with a England.

Why would they gave to be put back to the people, if we know what the terms are in advance?

Wouldn't England really have made an arse of it if they were completely surrounded by hard borders?

[Frankhfc]

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Why would they gave to be put back to the people, if we know what the terms are in advance?

Wouldn't England really have made an arse of it if they were completely surrounded by hard borders?

In my opinion independence is more likely to happen in the next five years than not. However, there will most definitely be extremely hard negotiations to encounter between not just ruk but also the EU as to budget deficits, currency convergence etc etc etc.

Also on your point regarding England and hard borders, it would no longer be our business whatever England would in the future decide as we would be on our own direction of travel both politically and ideologically post independence.

Its easy to spin biased opinions on both sides of the argument, however, I think there should also be a spoken reality with grown up debate as to the pragmatic aftermath. The songs of freedom will only reverberate for so long before the dust would settle on the new independent Scotland and the verity of the situation at hand.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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They possibly don't want a hard border between the two nations separating them from family and friends?

If such a border ever comes into being its not going to have searchlights and barbed wire, it will be a normal international border just like any other .. my friends daughter lives in Australia and I cant recall her or her daughter moaning about having to cross a hard border when they visit each other, or having any problem doing so.

The way some folk go on you would think a day after independence the Scottish or UK government will start building something akin to the Berlin wall with me and my 3 brothers on one side waving our tear stained hankies at our brother who lives in England on the other hoping that some day we will see each other again. Given the number of people on both sides of the border with family on the other side the truth is that both Scotland and the rump UK will move heaven and earth to make movement between the two ( at least of people ) as frictionless as possible.

[JeMeSouviens]

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In my opinion independence is more likely to happen in the next five years than not. However, there will most definitely be extremely hard negotiations to encounter between not just ruk but also the EU as to budget deficits, currency convergence etc etc etc.

Also on your point regarding England and hard borders, it would no longer be our business whatever England would in the future decide as we would be on our own direction of travel both politically and ideologically post independence.

Its easy to spin biased opinions on both sides of the argument, however, I think there should also be a spoken reality with grown up debate as to the pragmatic aftermath. The songs of freedom will only reverberate for so long before the dust would settle on the new independent Scotland and the verity of the situation at hand.

Notwithstanding your vaguely insulting "songs of freedom" soundbite, I agree.

There's no getting around it (haha), a hard border with rUK is likely to be a significant economic problem. To be clear, I expect the border to end up looking like the Swiss-EU one. Individuals cross freely but lorries carrying goods require paperwork and inspections. This will be a significant economic drag on trade with rUK. In the longer term, Scottish exporters need to target the EU and further afield. Even if Scotland stayed in the UK, it will be a declining, diminishing market to sell into. We need to go on the same journey Ireland has, reduce our dependency on one other country's economic performance.

As regards negotiation for EU membership, the picture is much clearer. Scotland will most probably have to commit in theory to joining the Eurozone but in practice, the EU is in no rush to take new Euro members anyway and they have stated via Juncker, the commission president, that they won't force any of the existing 7 EU countries who are not in the Euro but are theoretically committed to join (Sweden since 1995!)

I think the overwhelming likelihood is that Scotland would join the EEA and Customs Union immediately (as Norway, Sweden, Austria and Finland did), pending ratification of full membership. In the case of the 4 countries mentioned, they all joined the EEA on its creation in 1992 and 3 of the 4 joined as full members 2 years later. Norway chose not to.

[southsider]

The whole things resolved round engerland not wanting any more immigrants and the downright lies like Turkey is going to be a member and there will be 15 million Turks waiting at the border. That and the Ted bus were just lies but if u say the same thing over and over it become a FACT. We up here are not so dumb.

[Cataplana]

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If such a border ever comes into being its not going to have searchlights and barbed wire, it will be a normal international border just like any other .. my friends daughter lives in Australia and I cant recall her or her daughter moaning about having to cross a hard border when they visit each other, or having any problem doing so.

The way some folk go on you would think a day after independence the Scottish or UK government will start building something akin to the Berlin wall with me and my 3 brothers on one side waving our tear stained hankies at our brother who lives in England on the other hoping that some day we will see each other again. Given the number of people on both sides of the border with family on the other side the truth is that both Scotland and the rump UK will move heaven and earth to make movement between the two ( at least of people ) as frictionless as possible.

The key is the length of time we can keep our legislation in line with the EU.

[Moulin Yarns]

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The key is the length of time we can keep our legislation in line with the EU.

Anything that is devolved is not a problem, anything that is reserved can be made to remain in line with legislation at holyrood fairly quickly if the will of the parliament is there.


I worked within the 3 levels of legislation, the EU law was the umbrella legislation, this was embedded in the UK law and finally the Scottish legislation, which was stronger than the UK law.

[Moulin Yarns]

A new version of Chicken Run


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/elec...ost_type=share

The article says it was cancelled on the advice of the police. Presumably they didn't have the manpower.

[Ozyhibby]

Scottish NHS comes out top again.


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[Frankhfc]

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Notwithstanding your vaguely insulting "songs of freedom" soundbite, I agree.

There's no getting around it (haha), a hard border with rUK is likely to be a significant economic problem. To be clear, I expect the border to end up looking like the Swiss-EU one. Individuals cross freely but lorries carrying goods require paperwork and inspections. This will be a significant economic drag on trade with rUK. In the longer term, Scottish exporters need to target the EU and further afield. Even if Scotland stayed in the UK, it will be a declining, diminishing market to sell into. We need to go on the same journey Ireland has, reduce our dependency on one other country's economic performance.

As regards negotiation for EU membership, the picture is much clearer. Scotland will most probably have to commit in theory to joining the Eurozone but in practice, the EU is in no rush to take new Euro members anyway and they have stated via Juncker, the commission president, that they won't force any of the existing 7 EU countries who are not in the Euro but are theoretically committed to join (Sweden since 1995!)

I think the overwhelming likelihood is that Scotland would join the EEA and Customs Union immediately (as Norway, Sweden, Austria and Finland did), pending ratification of full membership. In the case of the 4 countries mentioned, they all joined the EEA on its creation in 1992 and 3 of the 4 joined as full members 2 years later. Norway chose not to.

Good post.

I genuinely didn't mean to sound at all insulting re songs of freedom . It was simply a reference pointing out the fact that after the expected exuberance of gaining independence that it could very well usher in a period of instability and a need for cool calm heads until the instability settles down and we can see how the picture then looks. What I cannot be bothered with and tend to ignore is those of any side who make outlandish predictions that cannot be substantiated. Of course there will be turbulence and some chaos post independence, however, I think independence will happen within the next 5 years or so.

[Bristolhibby]

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If Scotland becomes independent and then applies for EU membership again then surely the terms of any agreement would need to put back to the people. This will take years so I can’t see Scotland joined the EU anytime soon. It would also lead to a hard border with a England.

Not necessarily, first government in IScotland could run on a mandate of “we will get membership ASAP”. No need for a Plebicite.

J

[lyonhibs]

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Notwithstanding your vaguely insulting "songs of freedom" soundbite, I agree.

There's no getting around it (haha), a hard border with rUK is likely to be a significant economic problem. To be clear, I expect the border to end up looking like the Swiss-EU one. Individuals cross freely but lorries carrying goods require paperwork and inspections. This will be a significant economic drag on trade with rUK. In the longer term, Scottish exporters need to target the EU and further afield. Even if Scotland stayed in the UK, it will be a declining, diminishing market to sell into. We need to go on the same journey Ireland has, reduce our dependency on one other country's economic performance.

As regards negotiation for EU membership, the picture is much clearer. Scotland will most probably have to commit in theory to joining the Eurozone but in practice, the EU is in no rush to take new Euro members anyway and they have stated via Juncker, the commission president, that they won't force any of the existing 7 EU countries who are not in the Euro but are theoretically committed to join (Sweden since 1995!)

I think the overwhelming likelihood is that Scotland would join the EEA and Customs Union immediately (as Norway, Sweden, Austria and Finland did), pending ratification of full membership. In the case of the 4 countries mentioned, they all joined the EEA on its creation in 1992 and 3 of the 4 joined as full members 2 years later. Norway chose not to.

Not all the time they don't, I can say from personal experience.

[cabbageandribs1875]

work has already started on the border

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[cabbageandribs1875]

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Scottish NHS comes out top again.


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Boris might lose the right to run the english NHS

[The Tubs]

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If Scotland becomes independent and then applies for EU membership again then surely the terms of any agreement would need to put back to the people. This will take years so I can’t see Scotland joined the EU anytime soon.

Why would it?


It would also lead to a hard border with a England.

This is far from a certainty.