General election 2019

[mjhibby]

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Latest YouGov poll, a bit of a squeese starting on Nigel and Jo,

CON: 42% (+3)
LAB: 28% (+2)
LDEM: 15% (-2)
BREX: 4% (-6)
GRN: 4% (-)

via @YouGov[COLOR=#14171A], 11 - 12 Nov
Chgs. w/ 08 Nov.[/CA

Another poll shows the Tories only 5 points ahead. I would discount any poll in the express and the mail. The questions they ask are loaded to make Johnson seem popular.The likes of Aaron banks wouldn't be asking farage to only stand in a few marginals if the Tories were home and dry. The ridiculous Keir starmer video and the massive demonisation of Corbyn shows the Tories know its a lot tighter than the polls are predicting. May had an average lead of 16 points ahead at roughly this time and Johnson is averaging 10. It's not an election where you can read into poll results and predict the no of seats. I'd love Johnson to miss a majority by ten or so and the dup will lose around 4 seats meaning the blond buffoon wouldn't be able to form a govt. John curtice has again stated the lib Dems will far outperform their current polls. We shall see. If it's about brexit he won't win a majority.

[ronaldo7]

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For YES to win indyRef2 we need to attract older people imho. How much would free TV licences for all pensioners cost. Not that much in the grand scheme of things I would suggest.

Ireland paid something in the region of £21 million in 2013. Not sure what the costs are these days.

The BBC raises hundreds of millions in, Scotland.

Free licences for all might be a better way to go. 👍

[Frankhfc]

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They’re also nailing on losing indyref2.

I think the rest of the UK is slowly but surely coming round to that idea anyway and are in the very early stages of planning for it. The mood music seems to me to be heading in that direction.

[Ozyhibby]

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I think the rest of the UK is slowly but surely coming round to that idea anyway and are in the very early stages of planning for it. The mood music seems to me to be heading in that direction.

The attitude of England towards Scottish independence will be very different in indyref2. It will move from bemusement last time out to ‘just F off’ next time.


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[Frankhfc]

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The attitude of England towards Scottish independence will be very different in indyref2. It will move from bemusement last time out to ‘just F off’ next time.


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There'll be a wide range of views across the rest of the UK but I do agree that in general more people would be inclined to shrug their shoulders and could be much more receptive for Scotland leaving the UK and to go its own way next time around.

[Smartie]

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Ireland paid something in the region of £21 million in 2013. Not sure what the costs are these days.

The BBC raises hundreds of millions in, Scotland.

Free licences for all might be a better way to go. 👍

Also, why would old folk bother about the age you get your pension? Surely that's of more interest to those who are yet to reach that age than those who are already in, those who might be happier to pull the ladder up once there and have more folk contributing to their pensions?

[Peevemor]

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Also, why would old folk bother about the age you get your pension? Surely that's of more interest to those who are yet to reach that age than those who are already in, those who might be happier to pull the ladder up once there and have more folk contributing to their pensions?

Those, like myself, born in the 60s baby boom are now arriving at a stage in life where retirement isn't just something that happens to other people.

[Smartie]

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Those, like myself, born in the 60s baby boom are now arriving at a stage in life where retirement isn't just something that happens to other people.

I appreciate that, so I can understand why the age at which you receive your pension will be an emotive subject for your demographic (a demographic who admittedly the SNP have failed to convince so far).

Your demographic is a different one to the one I was thinking of - those who are already pensioners - who are overwhelmingly against independence. We might need to come up with a different bribe for them.......

It is interesting that going by age, those who will likely to have to spend a long time "paying in" are more convinced in the merits of independence than those who are either currently receiving or soon to be receiving.

[Ozyhibby]

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I appreciate that, so I can understand why the age at which you receive your pension will be an emotive subject for your demographic (a demographic who admittedly the SNP have failed to convince so far).

Your demographic is a different one to the one I was thinking of - those who are already pensioners - who are overwhelmingly against independence. We might need to come up with a different bribe for them.......

It is interesting that going by age, those who will likely to have to spend a long time "paying in" are more convinced in the merits of independence than those who are either currently receiving or soon to be receiving.

The offer to bring all Scottish pensions up to the average level of EU pensions should convince those already receiving their pensions.
It’s a flat out bribe but we know we can afford it if the political will is there.


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[SHODAN]

Lib Dem candidate stands down in Canterbury (a Labour-Tory marginal) so Swinson says they'll just stand someone else, effectively guaranteeing a Tory gain.

They are not on the side of Remain and anyone who thinks they are is kidding themselves.

[Ozyhibby]

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Lib Dem candidate stands down in Canterbury (a Labour-Tory marginal) so Swinson says they'll just stand someone else, effectively guaranteeing a Tory gain.

They are not on the side of Remain and anyone who thinks they are is kidding themselves.

As I said earlier, why should they do it if Labour won’t do the same?


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[Colr]

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Ireland paid something in the region of £21 million in 2013. Not sure what the costs are these days.

The BBC raises hundreds of millions in, Scotland.

Free licences for all might be a better way to go. 👍

Or make BBC subscription only.

There’s plenty of free to air TV for the biddies.

Might change the audience focus for QT!!!

[Colr]

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Lib Dem candidate stands down in Canterbury (a Labour-Tory marginal) so Swinson says they'll just stand someone else, effectively guaranteeing a Tory gain.

They are not on the side of Remain and anyone who thinks they are is kidding themselves.

Labour need to reciprocate but they won’t. It’s one way traffic

[SHODAN]

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Labour need to reciprocate but they won’t. It’s one way traffic

Yeah, fair enough.

[southsider]

See Corbyn gets called a terrorist sympathiser by some pathetic little minister in Scotstoun. Wonder if he will be on the next orange walk ?

[Ozyhibby]

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See Corbyn gets called a terrorist sympathiser by some pathetic little minister in Scotstoun. Wonder if he will be on the next orange walk ?

Nice guy.




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[Frankhfc]

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As I said earlier, why should they do it if Labour won’t do the same?


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I'm in general very uncomfortable with any party that stands down their candidates to give another party a free run. Its entirely undemocratic in my opinion by denying voters the right to choose and I'm passionate remainer.

[southsider]

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Nice guy.




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Thanks for putting that up. Like a wee sad man that was on late call.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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I'm in general very uncomfortable with any party that stands down their candidates to give another party a free run. Its entirely undemocratic in my opinion by denying voters the right to choose and I'm passionate remainer.

Me as well mate, I'm extremely uncomfortable with stuff like tactical voting and parties refusing to stand .....the option should be to vote for what you stand for, not against what you dont. But when you have a first past the post system its an open door to that happening. I doubt pure PR will ever fly, but a system like we have for the Scottish parliament might, at least in that system every vote matters.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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See Corbyn gets called a terrorist sympathiser by some pathetic little minister in Scotstoun. Wonder if he will be on the next orange walk ?

Saw that as well .... Mind you, when the prime minister does exactly the same thing in parliament is it any wonder our own dafties copy him.

[Ozyhibby]

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I'm in general very uncomfortable with any party that stands down their candidates to give another party a free run. Its entirely undemocratic in my opinion by denying voters the right to choose and I'm passionate remainer.

It’s not quite a free run as it will still be a two horse race. I can see the merit in it if you feel that another candidate has similar views to yours and he has a better chance of winning.


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[Frankhfc]

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It’s not quite a free run as it will still be a two horse race. I can see the merit in it if you feel that another candidate has similar views to yours and he has a better chance of winning.


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True. I could have worded it slightly better in the form of 'standing down to increase the electoral prospects of a different parties candidate' instead.

I'm very uncomfortable with it but its only my opinion and you're obviously entitled to yours too Oz. It makes for decent debate.

[Frankhfc]

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Me as well mate, I'm extremely uncomfortable with stuff like tactical voting and parties refusing to stand .....the option should be to vote for what you stand for, not against what you dont. But when you have a first past the post system its an open door to that happening. I doubt pure PR will ever fly, but a system like we have for the Scottish parliament might, at least in that system every vote matters.

I agree with most of this.

I'm not so sure about the electoral systems part though as I've never really given it any thought but I'm sure you're point on it isn't without merit.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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The offer to bring all Scottish pensions up to the average level of EU pensions should convince those already receiving their pensions.
It’s a flat out bribe but we know we can afford it if the political will is there.


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Politics is all about bribes though isnt it. Nothing appeals to voters more than pandering to their self interest ... sadly.

[Moulin Yarns]

A wee bit about different forms of proportional representation as it may be used in a UK wide election. Quite a long twitter thread.


Today in "Ballot Box Scotland talks about Proportional Representation, because it's a travesty that the UK doesn't use it when the other 3 Scottish elections do", what might PR constituencies for Scotland at Westminster look like?



https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1194637623224152064?s=19

[Fife-Hibee]

SNP pushing for legal action against ITV regarding their exclusion. Like the Lib Dems, i'm not really sure what legal grounds they'll have here. But there must be something if they're pursuing it.

[ronaldo7]

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SNP pushing for legal action against ITV regarding their exclusion. Like the Lib Dems, i'm not really sure what legal grounds they'll have here. But there must be something if they're pursuing it.

Parallel transmissions. Why should people in Scotland have to listen to English parties manifestos/ideas.

They do have Scottish branch offices don't they. 😉

[Hibernia&Alba]

I see Corbyn was heckled in Scotland today and called a 'terrorist sympathiser'. You can bet your last penny the clown responsible is one of our loyalist friends. Perhaps we could compare the history of the heckler with those of Corbyn in relation to terrorist sympathies and unsavoury views? It isn't difficult to guess the attitudes of radges in Scotland who shout this kind of stuff. Nice try, Billy boy.