General election 2019

[marinello59]

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I wouldn’t say landslide because the Tories are a deeply unpopular govt who have a massive track record of failure.
Which shows just how unpopular Corbyn is.


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A half decent opposition would have had this election won already. Sadly Corbyn's Labour have fallen well short of that. He had the youth vote last time round, I suspect he has blown that now with his dithering over Brexit.

[Fife-Hibee]

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It’s not how he come across that worries people. It’s the return to socialism that scares people. People don’t really want to see industry re-nationalised. They definitely don’t want their property confiscated or their kids school shut down. Fact is, when it comes down to it they would rather risk brexit than risk Corbyn.


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Where is your evidence that Labour have any plans to confiscate people's properties or to shut down schools?

No offense, but that's taken straight out of a tory campaign leaflet.

[Ozyhibby]

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Where is your evidence that Labour have any plans to confiscate people's properties or to shut down schools?

No offense, but that's taken straight out of a tory campaign leaflet.

Pretty sure Labour conference recently agreed that tenants should have the right to buy their landlords private property at price set by govt? And did they not also agree to close private schools and sell off their assets?


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[Fife-Hibee]

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Pretty sure Labour conference recently agreed that tenants should have the right to buy their landlords private property at price set by govt? And did they not also agree to close private schools and sell off their assets?

The proposal was to give tenants the opportunity to buy out rented property from landlords who own and rent a large number of homes. The proposal for private schools is to integrate them into the public sector, not to sell off the assets. Although it is just a proposal and not commited party policy.

[Ozyhibby]

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The proposal was to give tenants the opportunity to buy out rented property from landlords who own and rent a large number of homes. The proposal for private schools is to integrate them into the public sector, not to sell off the assets. Although it is just a proposal and not commited party policy.

You can see why that might scare people though? What is a large number of properties? 2?
And it can be taken for granted the people who send their kids to private school don’t want them integrated into the public sector. 7% of kids are educated privately. They mostly have two parents and grandparents, aunts uncles etc who would not wish for the kids school to close. And the proposal was for the endowments of the schools to be redistributed.
They have similar respect for private property to communist regimes of the past and that is a hard sell to people who value what property they have.


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[Fife-Hibee]

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You can see why that might scare people though? What is a large number of properties? 2?
And it can be taken for granted the people who send their kids to private school don’t want them integrated into the public sector. 7% of kids are educated privately. They mostly have two parents and grandparents, aunts uncles etc who would not wish for the kids school to close. And the proposal was for the endowments of the schools to be redistributed.
They have similar respect for private property to communist regimes of the past and that is a hard sell to people who value what property they have.


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7% of parents with kids have them educated privately, which means 93% don't.
20% of UK households are rented privately, which means 80% are not.

Do you honestly expect the Labour Party to pander to the private sector to the detriment of the public sector?

Some people might find their policies scary, but there are certainly plenty of people out there who find tory policies scary. Regardless of which party you are and what you're campaigning for, you're always going to scare some groups of people.

Labour scaring private landlords and owners of schools for the privileged doesn't worry me in the slightest. Neither applies to me.

[Frankhfc]

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A half decent opposition would have had this election won already. Sadly Corbyn's Labour have fallen well short of that. He had the youth vote last time round, I suspect he has blown that now with his dithering over Brexit.

Exactly this.

It was risibly embarrassing when forced into saying they'd both negotiate another deal with the EU then attempt to persuade people to vote against it in a second referendum. Brexit will have a profound effect on this GE despite Labour desperately trying to shift the debate. Hoping the other progressive parties benefit and not the tories.

[marinello59]

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7% of parents with kids have them educated privately, which means 93% don't.
20% of UK households are rented privately, which means 80% are not.

Do you honestly expect the Labour Party to pander to the private sector to the detriment of the public sector?

Some people might find their policies scary, but there are certainly plenty of people out there who find tory policies scary. Regardless of which party you are and what you're campaigning for, you're always going to scare some groups of people.

Labour scaring private landlords and owners of schools for the privileged doesn't worry me in the slightest. Neither applies to me.

I have no problem with either of those policies. Tory policies will do a lot more harm to a lot more people than either of these ideas. (Which as you rightly say are just under discussion at the present time.and will not be in Labour's manifesto) .

[Fife-Hibee]

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I have no problem with either of those policies. Tory policies will do a lot more harm to a lot more people than either of these ideas. (Which as you rightly say are just under discussion at the present time.and will not be in Labour's manifesto) .

Besides, what votes are Labour really going to lose out on through such proposals?

Can't say I know too many private landlords with a multitude of properties or too many parents sending their kids to top prep schools who have ever really considered voting for the Labour Party.

[lapsedhibee]

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Exactly this.

It was risibly embarrassing when forced into saying they'd both negotiate another deal with the EU then attempt to persuade people to vote against it in a second referendum. Brexit will have a profound effect on this GE despite Labour desperately trying to shift the debate. Hoping the other progressive parties benefit and not the tories.

Did the Labour Party actually say that, or was that the spin that Brexity folk put on it?

Some individual Labour MPs said they would vote to remain, but that's different to what you're claiming.

[Ozyhibby]

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I have no problem with either of those policies. Tory policies will do a lot more harm to a lot more people than either of these ideas. (Which as you rightly say are just under discussion at the present time.and will not be in Labour's manifesto) .

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Besides, what votes are Labour really going to lose out on through such proposals?

Can't say I know too many private landlords with a multitude of properties or too many parents sending their kids to top prep schools who have ever really considered voting for the Labour Party.

And yet the Labour Party is languishing in the low 20’s in the polls against this Tory govt. Clearly there are people out there not keen on these policies.
Obviously you think it doesn’t affect you (erosion of property rights will affect everyone eventually) but that does not make it a good idea.


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[Colr]

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We had a referendum in 2011 to change to a form of proportional representation and the result was 68% no

I would vote differently if they had that one again.

However, wholesale reform is needed.

[Colr]

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I think Labour will do well. Corbyn comes across as more genuine than Johnson or Swinson anyway.

Take it you're not Jewish, then.

[Pete]

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Besides, what votes are Labour really going to lose out on through such proposals?

Can't say I know too many private landlords with a multitude of properties or too many parents sending their kids to top prep schools who have ever really considered voting for the Labour Party.

They certainly won't vote for Corbyn's Labour which they try and portray as swivel-eyed communists.

It won't work. Inequalities will reach such a level that it will become glaringly obvious that something needs to change

[Colr]

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I wouldn’t say landslide because the Tories are a deeply unpopular govt who have a massive track record of failure.
Which shows just how unpopular Corbyn is.


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They're also pitching to the extremes which may put a lot of One Nation Tories off. Not enough to vote Corbyn though, who is the other extreme.

[Fife-Hibee]

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And yet the Labour Party is languishing in the low 20’s in the polls against this Tory govt. Clearly there are people out there not keen on these policies.
Obviously you think it doesn’t affect you (erosion of property rights will affect everyone eventually) but that does not make it a good idea.


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You think they're in the low 20's because they're scaring people who would never consider voting anything other than conservative anyway?

Erosion of what right? The right to buy up hundreds of properties and charge overinflated rent? Landlords should either be limited to the amount of properties they can own and rent out, or there should be a cap in place to stop them charging extortionate rent rates for people who are desperate for a roof over their heads.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Take it you're not Jewish, then.

What's that got to do with anything? Are you suggesting that no jewish people will be voting for Labour in this election?

Not all jews are duped by the anti-semitism myth.

[Frankhfc]

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Did the Labour Party actually say that, or was that the spin that Brexity folk put on it?

Some individual Labour MPs said they would vote to remain, but that's different to what you're claiming.

I recall Emily Thornberry more or less stating that was the case on Question Time a few months ago.

I don't let myself be swayed by Brexity folk.

[Ozyhibby]

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You think they're in the low 20's because they're scaring people who would never consider voting anything other than conservative anyway?

Erosion of what right? The right to buy up hundreds of properties and charge overinflated rent? Landlords should either be limited to the amount of properties they can own and rent out, or there should be a cap in place to stop them charging extortionate rent rates for people who are desperate for a roof over their heads.

Prices are going up because we are not building enough houses. Demand is rising due to the massive increase in Edinburgh’s population which increases competition for property. Until they free up the planning system and allow more house building then it will continue.
Landlords don’t really set prices, they accept them. The market sets them. There are plenty places in Britain where rents haven’t gone up in years.


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[Pete]

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Erosion of what right? The right to buy up hundreds of properties and charge overinflated rent? Landlords should either be limited to the amount of properties they can own and rent out, or there should be a cap in place to stop them charging extortionate rent rates for people who are desperate for a roof over their heads.

10/10

We need to shift away from seeing shelter in primarily economic terms

[lapsedhibee]

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I recall Emily Thornberry more or less stating that was the case on Question Time a few months ago.

When she gets a bit carried away she does tend to blur her personal opinion with party policy. Don't think it's ever been anything other than a personal goal though.

Labour's front bench isn't good.

[Frankhfc]

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When she gets a bit carried away she does tend to blur her personal opinion with party policy. Don't think it's ever been anything other than a personal goal though.

Labour's front bench isn't good.

Hopefully the other progressive parties pick up the seats Labour will lose instead of the tories.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Prices are going up because we are not building enough houses. Demand is rising due to the massive increase in Edinburgh’s population which increases competition for property. Until they free up the planning system and allow more house building then it will continue.
Landlords don’t really set prices, they accept them. The market sets them. There are plenty places in Britain where rents haven’t gone up in years.


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I would argue that the lack of social housing sets the market value for private rented properties. People will pay just about anything these days just so they can have the basic human right of a roof over their heads. Private landlords are taking full advantage of that desperation and a Conservative Government and their opposition to social housing and rent capping is allowing them to do so. If rent isn't rising in certain places, it's because they're already squeezing every penny they can out of the people living there.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Hopefully the other progressive parties pick up the seats Labour will lose instead of the tories.

They won't though. Because it'll simply be split between those "progressive" parties and Labour, paving the way for more Tory MPs.

[Frankhfc]

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They won't though. Because it'll simply be split between those "progressive" parties and Labour, paving the way for more Tory MPs.

A genuine concern.

Labour have been worse than useless on Brexit which was the number one issue for the last few years. We can only hope voters decide letting in a tory is too bitter a pill to swallow.

[lapsedhibee]

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They won't though. Because it'll simply be split between those "progressive" parties and Labour, paving the way for more Tory MPs.

Chin up man. Fully five weeks to go, plenty of time for Johnson and Rees-Mogg to make (further) ****s of themselves in public.

[Ozyhibby]

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I would argue that the lack of social housing sets the market value for private rented properties. People will pay just about anything these days just so they can have the basic human right of a roof over their heads. Private landlords are taking full advantage of that desperation and a Conservative Government and their opposition to social housing and rent capping is allowing them to do so. If rent isn't rising in certain places, it's because they're already squeezing every penny they can out of the people living there.

Lack of housing is correct. Doesn’t matter who owns it but I’m all for the council building more if they want to. To get prices to fall you either need to increase supply or suppress demand.
As for your last sentence, it’s nonsense. When rent prices are stagnant it’s because population growth is stagnant or more houses are being built than are needed. It’s rarely the latter.


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[Fife-Hibee]

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Chin up man. Fully five weeks to go, plenty of time for Johnson and Rees-Mogg to make (further) ****s of themselves in public.

Problem is, the more they make a mockery of themselves, the more "popular" they become. UK politics is very quickly turning into the US circus show.

[StevieC]

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I know I should know who, but who is the green candidate in Perth and North perthshire? That is my constituency.

It’s former SNP councillor Elspeth Maclaughlan.
She was deselected at the last council elections (for very good reasons imo), and has been grinding an axe ever since. She ran as an Independent for the council elections, but has since got in tow with the Greens. I suspect she will also be the Greens candidate for the next Holyrood election, and then the council elections, until such time as she gets elected.

[Colr]

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Where is your evidence that Labour have any plans to confiscate people's properties or to shut down schools?

No offense, but that's taken straight out of a tory campaign leaflet.

They said they’ll shut down private schools.