General election 2019

[marinello59]

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SNP (3rd largest party in the UK) getting white washed from yet another "debate".



What are the establishment so fearful of?

Sky only invited Swinson after her attacks on ITV for excluding her. Love her or loathe her she has played this one well and if she performs as well as she has been doing in the Commons recently she will pick up a lot of votes.
I suspect Sturgeon will be secretly pleased to be excluded, it sends out the message that Scotland is already a different country fighting a different campaign from the rest of the UK. It looks like a bonus for the SNP to me.

[Ozyhibby]

Tories hiding report on Russian interference in elections.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-po...mpression=true



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[Hibrandenburg]

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Tories hiding report on Russian interference in elections.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-po...mpression=true



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So let me get this right. Boris Johnson is an unelected PM of a leave government that has been found guilty of manipulating a leave referendum vote and is now postponing the publication of a report into cheating in a national vote until after a national vote?

Just another grievance, nothing to see here, move along now.

[Moulin Yarns]

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It could be you . They’ll tell you later.

Green candidate for Perth and North perthshire is ex snp councillor Elspeth Maclachlan. It might make the difference between Pete wishart keeping the seat for the snp or gifting it to the tories.

[lapsedhibee]

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Green candidate for Perth and North perthshire is ex snp councillor Elspeth Maclachlan. It might make the difference between Pete wishart keeping the seat for the snp or gifting it to the tories.

You might almost be hinting that FPTP is not an ideal electoral arrangement for a four- or five-party system.

[CloudSquall]

I would like to see the Greens rational behind agreeing to a "Remainers pact" with the Lib Dems / Plaid down south while putting up candidates against the SNP in Scottish seats where the Tories could get in.

[Mr Grieves]

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I would like to see the Greens rational behind agreeing to a "Remainers pact" with the Lib Dems / Plaid down south while putting up candidates against the SNP in Scottish seats where the Tories could get in.

The Scottish greens are a different party.

[SHODAN]

The ****ing Lib Dems are going to let the Tories in. AGAIN.

[Bristolhibby]

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You might almost be hinting that FPTP is not an ideal electoral arrangement for a four- or five-party system.

This is so apparent. Voter reform is an necessity.

Unfortunately turkeys for Christmas springs to mind.

J

[Moulin Yarns]

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This is so apparent. Voter reform is an necessity.

Unfortunately turkeys for Christmas springs to mind.

J

We had a referendum in 2011 to change to a form of proportional representation and the result was 68% no

[Fife-Hibee]

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Sky only invited Swinson after her attacks on ITV for excluding her. Love her or loathe her she has played this one well and if she performs as well as she has been doing in the Commons recently she will pick up a lot of votes.
I suspect Sturgeon will be secretly pleased to be excluded, it sends out the message that Scotland is already a different country fighting a different campaign from the rest of the UK. It looks like a bonus for the SNP to me.

Yeah, except the SNP can't get the message across that they're fighting a different campaign if they're not getting the media representation to present that message to the electorate...

[Ozyhibby]

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This is so apparent. Voter reform is an necessity.

Unfortunately turkeys for Christmas springs to mind.

J

There are arguments for both systems. I like the fact that there is one person who represents my area. Also how do you take into account local parties? The SNP, DUP, SDLP, independents would all lose out. A popular independent MP would lose his seat because he is not tied to a party.
And how do you get rid of an unpopular mp who is protected by being high up on the parties list system?
Even with the Holyrood set up which is a hybrid of both, if Ruth Davidson’s constituents wanted to get rid of her as it appears she has switched her focus to lining her own pockets then they can’t because she is number one on the national Tory list system.
FPTP is not perfect but I still prefer it.


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[JeMeSouviens]

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We had a referendum in 2011 to change to a form of proportional representation and the result was 68% no

Alternative Vote is not proportional. It's more of a tweak than a proper reform and the Libs were extremely weak in accepting it as part of their coalition sell out.

[JeMeSouviens]

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There are arguments for both systems. I like the fact that there is one person who represents my area. Also how do you take into account local parties? The SNP, DUP, SDLP, independents would all lose out. A popular independent MP would lose his seat because he is not tied to a party.
And how do you get rid of an unpopular mp who is protected by being high up on the parties list system?
Even with the Holyrood set up which is a hybrid of both, if Ruth Davidson’s constituents wanted to get rid of her as it appears she has switched her focus to lining her own pockets then they can’t because she is number one on the national Tory list system.
FPTP is not perfect but I still prefer it.


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I think multi-member STV as used in both the NI assembly and Ireland's Dail is the best compromise.

[marinello59]

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The ****ing Lib Dems are going to let the Tories in. AGAIN.

If the Tories win it's Labour to blame, not the LibDems. They've been up against a shambolic split Governing party for several years now and should be miles ahead in the opinion polls.

[cabbageandribs1875]

just watching sky news from westminster the now, it's pretty empty, thornberry is up talking asking about the russian report, two tories opposite her just sitting with their heads bowed playing away on their mobile phones, what a den of ******** rudeness westminster is

[marinello59]

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Green candidate for Perth and North perthshire is ex snp councillor Elspeth Maclachlan. It might make the difference between Pete wishart keeping the seat for the snp or gifting it to the tories.

That's down to Pete Wishart to face the challenge facing him then. I'm sure he will.

[Fife-Hibee]

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If the Tories win it's Labour to blame, not the LibDems. They've been up against a shambolic split Governing party for several years now and should be miles ahead in the opinion polls.

If the tories win an all out majority (which they will). Expect a lot of peerages to crop up for Jo Swinson and her cronies.

[Smartie]

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We had a referendum in 2011 to change to a form of proportional representation and the result was 68% no

It is quite interesting that this doesn't get spoken about more.

The LibDems shelved quite a lot of principle in an attempt to address this issue (they got this referendum as part of an agreement to make up the coalition government).

Everyone remembers the tuition fees, nobody remember that they got the referendum and that it was effectively kicked into touch.

I wonder where we might be today politically had there been a different result in that referendum?

[lapsedhibee]

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I wonder where we might be today politically had there been a different result in that referendum?

We'd be watching fist fights on Parliament TV as Farage and Francois square up to each other to prove who's the most pure Brexity.

[JeMeSouviens]

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It is quite interesting that this doesn't get spoken about more.

The LibDems shelved quite a lot of principle in an attempt to address this issue (they got this referendum as part of an agreement to make up the coalition government).

Everyone remembers the tuition fees, nobody remember that they got the referendum and that it was effectively kicked into touch.

I wonder where we might be today politically had there been a different result in that referendum?

Pretty much in the same place.

Once again, AV is not proportional.

[Fife-Hibee]

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I wonder where we might be today politically had there been a different result in that referendum?

In terms of Scotland, we'd be a lot worse off.

[Colr]

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And Labour? LibDems are polling well in the capital.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/uk-opinion-polls-labour-s-london-lead-is-halved-as-it-s-all-to-play-for-in-capital-a4279016.html

[Frankhfc]

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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/uk-opinion-polls-labour-s-london-lead-is-halved-as-it-s-all-to-play-for-in-capital-a4279016.html

This poll finding is indicative of labour malaise across England and Wales. Personally speaking I think Labour will struggle everywhere even across their strongholds after a dire year of Brexit fence sitting. A party in chaos unfortunately as I don't want to see the tories gain a majority and hope that the anti Brexit Lib Dems are the main beneficiaries.

[Ozyhibby]

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This poll finding is indicative of labour malaise across England and Wales. Personally speaking I think Labour will struggle everywhere even across their strongholds after a dire year of Brexit fence sitting. A party in chaos unfortunately as I don't want to see the tories gain a majority and hope that the anti Brexit Lib Dems are the main beneficiaries.

Corbyn terrifies a lot of people, there is no getting away from it.
He has a decent base who support him but it’s not enough to win an election.



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I think Labour will do well. Corbyn comes across as more genuine than Johnson or Swinson anyway.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Corbyn terrifies a lot of people, there is no getting away from it.
He has a decent base who support him but it’s not enough to win an election.



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Same with the Lib Dems.

So a tory landslide it is.

[Ozyhibby]

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Same with the Lib Dems.

So a tory landslide it is.

I wouldn’t say landslide because the Tories are a deeply unpopular govt who have a massive track record of failure.
Which shows just how unpopular Corbyn is.


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[Ozyhibby]

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I think Labour will do well. Corbyn comes across as more genuine than Johnson or Swinson anyway.

It’s not how he come across that worries people. It’s the return to socialism that scares people. People don’t really want to see industry re-nationalised. They definitely don’t want their property confiscated or their kids school shut down. Fact is, when it comes down to it they would rather risk brexit than risk Corbyn.


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[Fife-Hibee]

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I wouldn’t say landslide because the Tories are a deeply unpopular govt who have a massive track record of failure.
Which shows just how unpopular Corbyn is.


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They're not unpopular though. They're unpopular in Scotland. But they're not unpopular. Unpopular parties don't get 40%+ in polls.