Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[stoneyburn hibs]

Rory Stewart and the gangsta's.
An epitome of a Tory.

Wake the **** up Scotland.

[Mibbes Aye]

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My problem with Ruth is she shat out of defending Boris and co and used her family as the excuse to do so but all of a sudden she has time for a new venture, yet she's never actually seen in Edinburgh Central.


But hey, she "stuck it to wee jimmy krankie" which is enough for the unionists amongst us...

You and Fife-Hibee are quite similar.

He claims never to have seen Christine Jardine at her office, you claim never to see Ruth Davidson in her constituency.

Do you spend a lot of time looking out for her? Is Edinburgh Central your constituency? Whether it is or it isn’t, both your claims are a wee bit scary in a post-Jo Cox world.

[1875godsgift]

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You and Fife-Hibee are quite similar.

He claims never to have seen Christine Jardine at her office, you claim never to see Ruth Davidson in her constituency.

Do you spend a lot of time looking out for her? Is Edinburgh Central your constituency? Whether it is or it isn’t, both your claims are a wee bit scary in a post-Jo Cox world.

What are you trying to say here?

That they are both potential politician killers?

[Frankhfc]

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You and Fife-Hibee are quite similar.

He claims never to have seen Christine Jardine at her office, you claim never to see Ruth Davidson in her constituency.

Do you spend a lot of time looking out for her? Is Edinburgh Central your constituency? Whether it is or it isn’t, both your claims are a wee bit scary in a post-Jo Cox world.

When I contacted her office for help with my then issues I phoned the office and I had a conversation with the M.P.s assistant who took the details and said it would be looked at by Mrs Jardine. I was emailed asking if I'd like to come into the office to discuss the matter with Mrs Jardine herself and duly made an appointment to do so. I spoke at length with Mrs Jardine in her office and within days had an email saying Mrs Jardine had taken the matter up and had made progress for me of which I was very satisfied with the end result. I've still got the emails. Mrs Jardine also aided me with other matters with success and I know speaking to my neighbours that she has also helped them with issues.

Yet Fife-Hibee claims the office is always closed or that I was possibly making it up and he was going to take photos of the offices.

Its a strange one.

[Fife-Hibee]

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What are you trying to say here?

That they are both potential politician killers?

I just enjoy playing my part in killing their careers.

Don't get too close to MA with a flag though. He may consider you a nazi and feel instantly threatened. (Union Jacks aside)

[CloudSquall]

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You and Fife-Hibee are quite similar.

He claims never to have seen Christine Jardine at her office, you claim never to see Ruth Davidson in her constituency.

Do you spend a lot of time looking out for her? Is Edinburgh Central your constituency? Whether it is or it isn’t, both your claims are a wee bit scary in a post-Jo Cox world.

Between May 2016 and May 2018 Ruth held 1 constituency surgery.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/ruth-davidson-lie-watch/

It also appears many constituents had a hard time getting any response while Ruth was tripping the light fantastic on Have I Got News For You and the likes.

[lapsedhibee]

Meanwhile, he defended the decision to mint hundreds of thousands of commemorative 50p coins with the 31 October date, after the process was paused.

“I don’t think it looks foolish,” he said. “I think it was a very sincere aim of the British government to leave on 31 October, which after all was the date the EU said. It wasn’t our date, it was theirs.

EU's fault that they won't be issued then. Not sure that Kwarteng is the full shilling.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Meanwhile, he defended the decision to mint hundreds of thousands of commemorative 50p coins with the 31 October date, after the process was paused.

“I don’t think it looks foolish,” he said. “I think it was a very sincere aim of the British government to leave on 31 October, which after all was the date the EU said. It wasn’t our date, it was theirs.

EU's fault that they won't be issued then. Not sure that Kwarteng is the full shilling.

None of them are the full shilling, the vast majority of them have been educated well beyond their intelligence.

[Moulin Yarns]

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None of them are the full shilling, the vast majority of them have been educated well beyond their intelligence.

😂

[Jack Hackett]

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None of them are the full shilling, the vast majority of them have been educated well beyond their intelligence.

[Smartie]

I've not had any experience of having to contact my MP, but I know that everyone I know who has had reason to and who I have spoken to about it has found their MP open, willing and available to help where possible. This crosses all political divides. Some do pointless photoshoots in their constituency more than others I reckon they are all there when you need them.

It is a fairly easy and lazy accusation to make, that they are not there.

My Dad used to speak very highly of the late Robin Cook who helped him out a lot several decades ago. I often hear about MPs whose politics I don't agree with (Malcolm Rifkind and Ian Murray to name a couple) who are very highly spoken of as constituency MPs and who have personally helped people I know.

Voting records in the House of Commons can be a far more fair stick with which to beat an MP in my experience.

[lapsedhibee]

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My Dad used to speak very highly of the late Robin Cook who helped him out a lot several decades ago. I often hear about MPs whose politics I don't agree with (Malcolm Rifkind and Ian Murray to name a couple) who are very highly spoken of as constituency MPs and who have personally helped people I know.

Ian Murray also comes across pretty well when interviewed at, or speaking in debates at, the HoC. (Apart from always wearing a daft wee maroon badge on his lapel, the Hearts *****.)

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.holyrood.com/editors-col...as-b_14616.htm


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...mpression=true

This has been a great thing for YES2. Davidson is finished.


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[weecounty hibby]

It really is typically Tory. Make sure that you look after yourself first and everything else, even their precious union, is second.

[Mibbes Aye]

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https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...mpression=true

This has been a great thing for YES2. Davidson is finished.


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It is an interesting article. Being a legislator is incompatible with being paid by a lobbying firm, no two ways about it.

I disagree that there is a conflict of interest should someone step away from their legislative role and, as the writer puts it, use their expertise. That is what they are getting paid for, by the private firm. This isn’t a party issue as all of them do it.

Westminster has rules about there being a set amount of time for both MPs and civil servants I think, from leaving their job to working in the private sector. I am not sure if the timescale is long enough but then the whole point is that private firms want that recent and fresh experience and will pay for it. I think it is one of those things that just needs monitored and if it feels too strict or too relaxed then it can be changed.

[Ozyhibby]

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It is an interesting article. Being a legislator is incompatible with being paid by a lobbying firm, no two ways about it.

I disagree that there is a conflict of interest should someone step away from their legislative role and, as the writer puts it, use their expertise. That is what they are getting paid for, by the private firm. This isn’t a party issue as all of them do it.

Westminster has rules about there being a set amount of time for both MPs and civil servants I think, from leaving their job to working in the private sector. I am not sure if the timescale is long enough but then the whole point is that private firms want that recent and fresh experience and will pay for it. I think it is one of those things that just needs monitored and if it feels too strict or too relaxed then it can be changed.

There should def be a rule that no sitting MP or MSP should be working for private companies at all. I would be very strict on that. And like you say, not a party political issue. This is a particularly obvious case because most wait until they stand down before taking a lobbying job.
Personally I would also not allow politicians access to parliamentary passes for at least 5 years after leaving office.
Your right that they all do it but this is still a gift to the Yes campaign.


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But she will get a pension for life, paid for by the taxpayer whilst the rest of us will have to wait until we are 66 or 67 before we can get ours and I will bet u a pound to a penny hers is not the pathetic amount we will get.

[Hiber-nation]

Well that's Ruth backing down now.....oh dear! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-50222755

[CloudSquall]

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Well that's Ruth backing down now.....oh dear! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-50222755

Impeccable timing, slips that out while everyone is distracted by the election news.

[Mibbes Aye]

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But she will get a pension for life, paid for by the taxpayer whilst the rest of us will have to wait until we are 66 or 67 before we can get ours and I will bet u a pound to a penny hers is not the pathetic amount we will get.

She was right to back down from the consultancy role but I don’t think she gets her Holyrood pension until she is 65.

[southsider]

MP’s can claim a pension after 20 years. Msp’ s get a payment of one third of salary if they quit/ voted out. We are in the wrong game.

[Ozyhibby]

Even backing out of this still damages her. The accusation she is in politics only for self enrichment will be hard to shift.


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[Cataplana]

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MP’s can claim a pension after 20 years. Msp’ s get a payment of one third of salary if they quit/ voted out. We are in the wrong game.

Can you imagine what tea breaks and Christmas nights out would be like?

[Mibbes Aye]

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Even backing out of this still damages her. The accusation she is in politics only for self enrichment will be hard to shift.


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I think that is a tad harsh. Politicians get little respect and it is often easy to understand why, but they are human beings just like the rest of us. They have mortgages and credit card bills just like the rest of us. We all take advantage of what we can, to ensure our standard of living or provide for our children. Sometimes that is using our career experience to get a lucrative gig on the consultancy circuit, sometimes it is benefitting from an inheritance or the value of a parent or grandparents home.

[Ozyhibby]

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I think that is a tad harsh. Politicians get little respect and it is often easy to understand why, but they are human beings just like the rest of us. They have mortgages and credit card bills just like the rest of us. We all take advantage of what we can, to ensure our standard of living or provide for our children. Sometimes that is using our career experience to get a lucrative gig on the consultancy circuit, sometimes it is benefitting from an inheritance or the value of a parent or grandparents home.

There are plenty jobs that insist that you only work exclusively in that job. Being a politician should be one of them. She deserves her reputation rubbished for signing up for this deal. The fact that she has had to back out shows the level of misjudgement involved.


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[Mibbes Aye]

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There are plenty jobs that insist that you only work exclusively in that job. Being a politician should be one of them. She deserves her reputation rubbished for signing up for this deal. The fact that she has had to back out shows the level of misjudgement involved.


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Yeah, I don’t disagree with you at all and said so earlier. I think politicians do face a tough time if and when they step aside and gain consultancy roles. It happens all the time in other walks of life.

[Ozyhibby]

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Yeah, I don’t disagree with you at all and said so earlier. I think politicians do face a tough time if and when they step aside and gain consultancy roles. It happens all the time in other walks of life.

She hasn’t stepped aside. She is still an MSP. That’s why it hurts her. She’s on the take.


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[Mibbes Aye]

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She hasn’t stepped aside. She is still an MSP. That’s why it hurts her. She’s on the take.


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Cross purposes? I was saying that any MP or MSP will use their background to take on consultancy roles when they leave. She or a he can’t possibly do that while an elected meneber. Although actually I think MPs can and do, maybe MSPs too. It has to be declared and dropped if one becomes a minister?

[ronaldo7]

Nice to see little miss flip flop has flopped again.