Brexit - What Now.

[CloudSquall]

Tell you what though, I'll be up all...night...long on election night to witness ****s like Ross Thomson get SNP GAINed..

[SHODAN]

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This is Remain's last stand. There needs to be widespread tactical voting and the parties themselves are not going to get their **** together to co-ordinate it. It can happen on the ground though, like the good (and bad under Thatch) old days of a Tory free Scotland.

The LDs aren't interested in keeping Johnson out or stopping Brexit; they just want to increase their number of seats. Corbyn won't compromise with anyone on the right (which let's face it, Swinson is).

It won't happen. Johnson majority.

[lord bunberry]

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The SNP were 2nd in every single Labour and Tory seat last time. There is no chance anyone is coming from third place on the back of tactical voting. SNP base vote is too strong.


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There won’t be much tactical voting in Scotland. The tories don’t even have a leader and the SNP will hoover up most of their seats. The Lib Dem’s will probably hold onto their seats, although Swinson will have a fight on her hands and Murray will probably hold his seat.

[lord bunberry]

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Tell you what though, I'll be up all...night...long on election night to witness ****s like Ross Thomson get SNP GAINed..

Me too.

[CloudSquall]

Do we think the Brexit party will be up to much or has Boris done enough to nullify that threat?

[Hibbyradge]

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The LDs aren't interested in keeping Johnson out or stopping Brexit; they just want to increase their number of seats. Corbyn won't compromise with anyone on the right (which let's face it, Swinson is).

It won't happen. Johnson majority.

That's just patently not true. The LDs are pro-Europe and have been anti-Brexit from the start.

Of course they want to increase their seats, which party doesn't, but they will do what they can to stop it from happening. That might not be a lot on their own, but if it's a hung parliament, they'll have a say.

Johnson majority is most likely, but then May was supposed to clean up 2 years ago. I tend to think that the Tories will have learnt their lesson from that, but the Brexit party may be a fly in the Tory ointment so another hung parliament is definitely possible.

[Northernhibee]

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Do we think the Brexit party will be up to much or has Boris done enough to nullify that threat?

No. They're no more of a threat than UKIP ever were.

[Hibbyradge]

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Tell you what though, I'll be up all...night...long on election night to witness ****s like Ross Thomson get SNP GAINed..

If it's the 11th, I'll just have arrived back from 4 weeks in Australia. I'll probably be up all night whether I want to be or not! 😁

[Fife-Hibee]

We're heading for the worst kind of brexit, a tory brexit. There's no way Labour and Lib Dem voters will be prepared to exchange votes. Will be interesting to see how Scotland reacts after a massive tory majority and how the British media will try and lump that blame on the SNP.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Do we think the Brexit party will be up to much or has Boris done enough to nullify that threat?

Hard to say. They've been very quiet. Cummings loathes Farage and nobody trusts him or wants to give him the sort of role he'd want as a sweetener, so I think it's vanishingly unlikely there'll be a Tory/BP pact. Farage hates the Tories (spurned) and has fertile ground if he wants to go for it. After all, there are no PMs in ditches as we speak.

So I expect them to come out of hibernation and take votes off the Tories but I suppose it's just about possible they might hold fire in the knowledge there might not be a Brexit if they do too well?

[Hibbyradge]

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No. They're no more of a threat than UKIP ever were.

It's going to be interesting. Johnson could nullify the BP by taking a firm hard Brexit line in his campaign, but he'd risk alienating the conservative voters who don't want to crash out.

If he tries to fudge it, Farage will try to capitalise

There's many a slip twixt cup and lip, particularly in a long GE campaign with Johnson scrutinised as never before.

[Northernhibee]

Oddly, for remain to stand a chance we need to hope that Farage has an absolute barnstormer of a campaign that gets all the no dealers frothing at the mouth with excitement. It would take the feet from under Boris and even in that circumstance I couldn't see BXP taking more than 10-15 seats, but they may cost the Tories 90-100 seats IF remainers vote tactically.

There may be political capital in not opposing the Brexit Party Ltd. too heavily in this election.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Oddly, for remain to stand a chance we need to hope that Farage has an absolute barnstormer of a campaign that gets all the no dealers frothing at the mouth with excitement. It would take the feet from under Boris and even in that circumstance I couldn't see BXP taking more than 10-15 seats, but they may cost the Tories 90-100 seats IF remainers vote tactically.

There may be political capital in not opposing the Brexit Party Ltd. too heavily in this election.

Without a pact they probably won't win any seats but they could stop the Tories making any inroads to the Midlands/North of England.

Edit to say the political capital in opposing them is there though - the more Remainers kick against Farage, the more hardline Leavers he will pick off.

[CloudSquall]

Shaping up to be a 4 way bloodbath between BXP / Tories / Labour / Lib Dems down south.


Could come down to which side can tactically vote better..

[Smartie]

I wish we could just have a second referendum.

We all know what leaving looks like now and if leave won, absolutely no remainers could have any complaints whatsoever.

This single issue general election is full of silly games, closed door deals and tactical voting. Is this REALLY in any way democratic?

This way just prolongs the nonsense.

[JeMeSouviens]

SNP to try and amend the election bill to get "settled status" EU nationals a vote.

Apart from the fact that this is a tactical Remain boost, I can't see how it can legitimately be opposed anway? No taxation without representation as someone once said.

[Northernhibee]

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Without a pact they probably won't win any seats but they could stop the Tories making any inroads to the Midlands/North of England.

Edit to say the political capital in opposing them is there though - the more Remainers kick against Farage, the more hardline Leavers he will pick off.

You're quite right.

Get Tony Blair speaking out about Farage at every opportunity. That would do more to damage Boris than anything else.

[SHODAN]

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SNP to try and amend the election bill to get "settled status" EU nationals a vote.

Apart from the fact that this is a tactical Remain boost, I can't see how it can legitimately be opposed anway? No taxation without representation as someone once said.

Because in the eyes of the British government even settled migrants aren't equal with UK nationals.

It would also set a precedent that they can vote in future elections and this would hammer the Tory vote post Brexit.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Hard to say. They've been very quiet. Cummings loathes Farage and nobody trusts him or wants to give him the sort of role he'd want as a sweetener, so I think it's vanishingly unlikely there'll be a Tory/BP pact. Farage hates the Tories (spurned) and has fertile ground if he wants to go for it. After all, there are no PMs in ditches as we speak.

So I expect them to come out of hibernation and take votes off the Tories but I suppose it's just about possible they might hold fire in the knowledge there might not be a Brexit if they do too well?

Farage IS a tory.

A few things will happen here.

1) The BP will form a pact with the tories over the flogging off of the NHS, tax avoidance schemes for millionaires and ultimately shafting the vulnerable, the foreigners and the working class.

2) Talks of a pact between the Lib Dems and Labour will break down. The Lib Dems will make sure of that. But will use tory media spin to make it appear that Labour are to blame.

3) The SNP will near enough get a clean sweep in Scotland, but will be blamed for many years to come by the British tory media for "allowing" a tory brexit. This will be used in an attempt to crush the idea of Scottish Independence for another 4 decades or so.

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[JeMeSouviens]

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Farage IS a tory.

A few things will happen here.

1) The BP will form a pact with the tories over the flogging off of the NHS, tax avoidance schemes for millionaires and ultimately shafting the vulnerable, the foreigners and the working class.

2) Talks of a pact between the Lib Dems and Labour will break down. The Lib Dems will make sure of that. But will use tory media spin to make it appear that Labour are to blame.

3) The SNP will near enough get a clean sweep in Scotland, but will be blamed for many years to come by the British tory media for "allowing" a tory brexit. This will be used in an attempt to crush the idea of Scottish Independence for another 4 decades or so.

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Farage WAS a Tory but hates them because they rejected him as a candidate. He is, above all, in it for the glory of Nige.

1) v unlikely, Tories have enough loonies of their own without getting the real nutters on board and Cummings and Farage loathe one another.

2) They won't even start. Total non-runner.

3) You're in bizarro-world again.

[JeMeSouviens]

How US trade negotiators will use UK desperation for a deal to get what US Big Pharma wants:

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[Fife-Hibee]

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Farage WAS a Tory but hates them because they rejected him as a candidate. He is, above all, in it for the glory of Nige.

1) v unlikely, Tories have enough loonies of their own without getting the real nutters on board and Cummings and Farage loathe one another.

2) They won't even start. Total non-runner.

3) You're in bizarro-world again.

Farage IS a tory. Toryism doesn't require a particular party. It's who they are as a person. As you say, he's in it for himself, which is the very epitome of being a tory.

1) Why would loonies care about taking on more loonies? Especially when they're all in it for the same goals? The tories want to flog off the NHS, Nigel Farage wants to flog off the NHS. The tories want to step up their tax dodging capabilities, Nigel Farage wants to step up his tax dodging capabilities. The tories want to screw over foreigners and vulnerable people, as does Nigel Farage. There's plenty of common ground for Farage to sink his teeth into. The last thing he'll want to do is split the Brexit vote. That's why they're keeping so quiet. They won't even campaign in this election.

2) Great news for Brexiteers

3) We'll see. But how many will notice rather than simply being suckered in by it?

[McSwanky]

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Farage IS a tory.

A few things will happen here.

1) The BP will form a pact with the tories over the flogging off of the NHS, tax avoidance schemes for millionaires and ultimately shafting the vulnerable, the foreigners and the working class.

2) Talks of a pact between the Lib Dems and Labour will break down. The Lib Dems will make sure of that. But will use tory media spin to make it appear that Labour are to blame.

3) The SNP will near enough get a clean sweep in Scotland, but will be blamed for many years to come by the British tory media for "allowing" a tory brexit. This will be used in an attempt to crush the idea of Scottish Independence for another 4 decades or so.

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Marked.

[WeeRussell]

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Farage IS a tory.

A few things will happen here.

1) The BP will form a pact with the tories over the flogging off of the NHS, tax avoidance schemes for millionaires and ultimately shafting the vulnerable, the foreigners and the working class.

2) Talks of a pact between the Lib Dems and Labour will break down. The Lib Dems will make sure of that. But will use tory media spin to make it appear that Labour are to blame.

3) The SNP will near enough get a clean sweep in Scotland, but will be blamed for many years to come by the British tory media for "allowing" a tory brexit. This will be used in an attempt to crush the idea of Scottish Independence for another 4 decades or so.

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Some interesting theories Fife... but I think we'll already be independent before any blame can be used to try and crush the ideal.

[Peevemor]

"Where is the prime minister," asks Mr Blackford, noting that he has left the chamber.


"One wonders if he is away to dig a ditch," ...

[Ozyhibby]

Jo Swinson doing well in parly just now.


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[Mibbes Aye]

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Jo Swinson doing well in parly just now.


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Literally just back home from holiday in the last hour and didn’t see her. What was she doing that came across well?

[Ozyhibby]

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Literally just back home from holiday in the last hour and didn’t see her. What was she doing that came across well?

Actually answering the questions when she gave way.


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[marinello59]

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Farage IS a tory.

A few things will happen here.

1) The BP will form a pact with the tories over the flogging off of the NHS, tax avoidance schemes for millionaires and ultimately shafting the vulnerable, the foreigners and the working class.

2) Talks of a pact between the Lib Dems and Labour will break down. The Lib Dems will make sure of that. But will use tory media spin to make it appear that Labour are to blame.

3) The SNP will near enough get a clean sweep in Scotland, but will be blamed for many years to come by the British tory media for "allowing" a tory brexit. This will be used in an attempt to crush the idea of Scottish Independence for another 4 decades or so.

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1. The Tories will not form an electoral pact with the Brexit Party.
2. There has been no cross party talks of an electoral pact between the LibDems and Labour to break down and there won’t be.
3. Read what you have written there, it doesn’t make any sense.

[marinello59]

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Jo Swinson doing well in parly just now.


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As she did last night. There is no ambiguity at all about her position on Brexit, her party will be rewarded at the ballot box in England and Wales.