Brexit - What Now.

[grunt]

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Interesting opinion piece for the Guardian on this subject:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...multinationals

Thanks, that is interesting. Shows that my perceived wisdom is not necessarily so wise. However, I'm not sure I agree with the article's conclusion. I just can't see Labour winning anything just now.

[Moulin Yarns]

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It is not really valid when comparing structures that for various reasons are remarkably different though. is it?

I get that it is just politics and everyone does it, but it feels patronising when it is used to mask the fact that they are consistently failing to meet their own legally-binding targets.

As I said before, it is a bit like Colin Calderwood saying “Hey, I was better then Terry Butcher”.

Are you really saying that comparisons, like those I have posted in graph form above about holiday entitlement, paternal leave and minimum pay in other countries shouldn't be used because these countries have different political and fiscal structures.

How else can we look afar and say that works, we should aim to emulate what is good and works elsewhere.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Are you really saying that comparisons, like those I have posted in graph form above about holiday entitlement, paternal leave and minimum pay in other countries shouldn't be used because these countries have different political and fiscal structures.

How else can we look afar and say that works, we should aim to emulate what is good and works elsewhere.

No, he's on about the comparison between Scotland's NHS and England's.

[Moulin Yarns]

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No, he's on about the comparison between Scotland's NHS and England's.

I know that's what MA was responding to, but I would imagine it applies across the board, how else are comparisons made.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Are you really saying that comparisons, like those I have posted in graph form above about holiday entitlement, paternal leave and minimum pay in other countries shouldn't be used because these countries have different political and fiscal structures.

How else can we look afar and say that works, we should aim to emulate what is good and works elsewhere.

No I wasn’t.

This was in relation to an earlier discussion about performance targets in the health system. And I had already acknowledged it should be on a different thread. And I was merely replying to someone else.

To be honest I haven’t had the time yet to read the posts you are referring to, but I will.

But I know that you said you used to work for a local authority - P&K I am guessing - so you will know fine well the dangers of comparisons. Being fifth out of 32 or being 29th out of 32 sounds very different but if everyone is pretty much much of a muchness then 29th isn’t particularly alarming. And if the ‘top’ four are miles ahead and the remaining 28 are tanking, then 5th is no great shakes.

[Moulin Yarns]

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No I wasn’t.

This was in relation to an earlier discussion about performance targets in the health system. And I had already acknowledged it should be on a different thread. And I was merely replying to someone else.

To be honest I haven’t had the time yet to read the posts you are referring to, but I will.

But I know that you said you used to work for a local authority - P&K I am guessing - so you will know fine well the dangers of comparisons. Being fifth out of 32 or being 29th out of 32 sounds very different but if everyone is pretty much much of a muchness then 29th isn’t particularly alarming. And if the ‘top’ four are miles ahead and the remaining 28 are tanking, then 5th is no great shakes.

Now you're talking about the SPFL 😉

[Mibbes Aye]

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Now you're talking about the SPFL 😉

[Cataplana]

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Now you're talking about the SPFL 😉

Genuine question, do you use the winking smiley so often because you are cracking ironic jokes, or do you have a dodgy eye?

There's a pint resting on your answer.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Genuine question, do you use the winking smiley so often because you are cracking ironic jokes, or do you have a dodgy eye?

There's a pint resting on your answer.

That was definitely irony 🤔

Enjoy the pint. 🍻

[Hibrandenburg]

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Paternity leave is unregulated in the EU and benefits vary widely (2016)

It is regulated in Germany so I'm surprised it's not on that graph. Here both parents can take up to 14 months divided between them but with a maximum of 12 months for any one parent. I took 2 months back in 2011 and it's not changed since then.

I also work for an airline that has bases in the UK, France, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain and Portugal and can confirm that the T&Cs including pay are the worst in the UK.

[Cataplana]

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That was definitely irony 🤔

Enjoy the pint. 🍻

😁

[lapsedhibee]

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Interesting opinion piece for the Guardian on this subject:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...multinationals

Yep, Thatch loved certain aspects of the EU.

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It is not really valid when comparing structures that for various reasons are remarkably different though. is it?

I get that it is just politics and everyone does it, but it feels patronising when it is used to mask the fact that they are consistently failing to meet their own legally-binding targets.

As I said before, it is a bit like Colin Calderwood saying “Hey, I was better then Terry Butcher”.

Agree whitabootery is tiresome in all its forms.

[Hibrandenburg]

Just been reading the matchday thread so I've come back here to cheer myself up.

[CloudSquall]

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-10-26/...robert-peston/

Looks like the Lib Dems and SNP are going to try to force an election early December and Boris may back the vote...

[Callum_62]

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https://www.itv.com/news/2019-10-26/...robert-peston/

Looks like the Lib Dems and SNP are going to try to force an election early December and Boris may back the vote...

Don't get why they would do this. I understand the SNP will probably clean up in Scotland but why are the libs wanting an election?

Do they believe the can turn around the polls?

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[CloudSquall]

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Don't get why they would do this. I understand the SNP will probably clean up in Scotland but why are the libs wanting an election?

Do they believe the can turn around the polls?

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Angus MacNeil (SNP MP Western Isles) said he "won't be bounced into this" , will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Like you say I'd expect the SNP to near enough clean up shop in Scotland, Lib Dems would need to be confident of picking up enough seats down south amongst remainers especially in Tory seats, for now I can't really see it especially with them and Labour splitting the remain vote.

[Jack Hackett]

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Just been reading the matchday thread so I've come back here to cheer myself up.

You're on a roll today bud

[Ozyhibby]

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Don't get why they would do this. I understand the SNP will probably clean up in Scotland but why are the libs wanting an election?

Do they believe the can turn around the polls?

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Lib Dem’s due to pick up seats no matter what. Somebody has to make a move at some point, can’t keep going like this forever just because Labour insist on sticking with the unelectable Corbyn.


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[Hibrandenburg]

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You're on a roll today bud

Thanks JH, don't know what's come over me.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Got to love a bit of nationalism

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views...ently-11846370

And where do these polls actually happen?? The most Tory of tory counties?
https://news.sky.com/story/tories-su...-poll-11846200

[marinello59]

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Don't get why they would do this. I understand the SNP will probably clean up in Scotland but why are the libs wanting an election?

Do they believe the can turn around the polls?

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The SNP have been signalling they would do this for the past week. Their commitment to a second Brexit referendum has been quietly dropped in favour of gaining seats in Scotland. It’s risky but we could see a LibDem/SNP/Labour coalition in power but only if they can ensure Brexit has not been passed before we go to the Polls.

[Callum_62]

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Got to love a bit of nationalism

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views...ently-11846370

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Get that right to ****.

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[Ozyhibby]

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The SNP have been signalling they would do this for the past week. Their commitment to a second Brexit referendum has been quietly dropped in favour of gaining seats in Scotland. It’s risky but we could see a LibDem/SNP/Labour coalition in power but only if they can ensure Brexit has not been passed before we go to the Polls.

I would not say it has been dropped, just a case of it not being deliverable. The numbers just aren’t there.
Something needs to change and if we have an election and the Tories (most likely) win then it won’t be the fault of the SNP or the Lib Dem’s.
The Labour Party are the problem here.


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[marinello59]

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I would not say it has been dropped, just a case of it not being deliverable. The numbers just aren’t there.
Something needs to change and if we have an election and the Tories (most likely) win then it won’t be the fault of the SNP or the Lib Dem’s.
The Labour Party are the problem here.


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I agree about the Labour Party. I also think the SNP are doing the right thing in teaming up with the LibDems to force the issue.

[CloudSquall]

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/s...92480707956736

Some explanation from Sturgeon on the SNP's standpoint, personally I can see both sides of the argument but I'm leaning towards wanting an election soon, nothing is possible at this point with the way parliament is numbered.

If Labour were in any way decent opposition they would be chomping at the bit for an election and sweeping the board down south given how much of a **** show Brexit has been so far.

In reality though..

[G B Young]

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https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/s...92480707956736

Some explanation from Sturgeon on the SNP's standpoint, personally I can see both sides of the argument but I'm leaning towards wanting an election soon, nothing is possible at this point with the way parliament is numbered.

If Labour were in any way decent opposition they would be chomping at the bit for an election and sweeping the board down south given how much of a **** show Brexit has been so far.

In reality though..

According to the latest IPSOS Mori poll: "Corbyn is less popular than Boris Johnson among both men and women, in every socioeconomic category, whether richer or poorer, in London and Scotland as well as the Midlands and Wales and, remarkably, in every age group. Perhaps it’s no surprise that the over-65s prefer Johnson to Corbyn by 62% to 8%, but it’s arresting that even among the youngest voters, aged 18 to 24, those once seen as the Labour leader’s base, Corbyn is less popular than the prime minister. The Labour leader has a net satisfaction rating of -60, with just 16% of voters pleased with him and 76% unhappy. That means Mr Corbyn is even more unpopular than former Labour boss Michael Foot, who had an approval score of -56 in 1982, the year before he was routed by Margaret Thatcher in a general election. When Tony Blair and David Cameron assumed office from opposition both had positive net satisfaction scores. It is truly extraordinary that the party of opposition is not 20 points ahead of a government in office for nine years."

[Callum_62]

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According to the latest IPSOS Mori poll: "Corbyn is less popular than Boris Johnson among both men and women, in every socioeconomic category, whether richer or poorer, in London and Scotland as well as the Midlands and Wales and, remarkably, in every age group. Perhaps it’s no surprise that the over-65s prefer Johnson to Corbyn by 62% to 8%, but it’s arresting that even among the youngest voters, aged 18 to 24, those once seen as the Labour leader’s base, Corbyn is less popular than the prime minister. The Labour leader has a net satisfaction rating of -60, with just 16% of voters pleased with him and 76% unhappy. That means Mr Corbyn is even more unpopular than former Labour boss Michael Foot, who had an approval score of -56 in 1982, the year before he was routed by Margaret Thatcher in a general election. When Tony Blair and David Cameron assumed office from opposition both had positive net satisfaction scores. It is truly extraordinary that the party of opposition is not 20 points ahead of a government in office for nine years."

It's interesting but he came pretty close to an upset in 2017, surely he couldn't have dropped that much in popularity. I personally wish Labour would change leader, they have a few people on there books that would be much more popular to the whole of the UK than Corbyn is

It looks like SNP might take 10 or so seats from the tories, surley the libs will take some in England too. I'd hope it would be closer come the end of the campaign than being forcasted

One thing Johnson really struggles with is scrutiny - 6 weeks of an election campaign could really put the squeeze on

Labour will need an excellent campaign though, which they had last time


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[Callum_62]

Now who's running scared?

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...022233088?s=19

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[Cataplana]

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It's interesting but he came pretty close to an upset in 2017, surely he couldn't have dropped that much in popularity. I personally wish Labour would change leader, they have a few people on there books that would be much more popular to the whole of the UK than Corbyn is

It looks like SNP might take 10 or so seats from the tories, surley the libs will take some in England too. I'd hope it would be closer come the end of the campaign than being forcasted

One thing Johnson really struggles with is scrutiny - 6 weeks of an election campaign could really put the squeeze on

Labour will need an excellent campaign though, which they had last time


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I just can't see Boris keeping it together in an election campaign.

[The Harp Awakes]

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Now who's running scared?

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...022233088?s=19

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They're not as gung ho about an election now as they have failed fo deliver Brexit by 31/10 despite all Boris' bluster. Farage will rip the **** out of the Tories in an election campaign for failing and will split the Tory vote big time. The LibDems would be the main beneficiaries in the big English cities particularly. The LibDems and the SNP could have a very strong hand in the next parliament.