Thoughts on Jo Swinson?

[Mibbes Aye]

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Because Boris Johnson is never compared to a baboon?

Why do people only ever get angry when it's aimed at female politicians, but nobody seems to bat an eyelid when it's aimed at male politicians?

I challenged you earlier about your view on female politicians. Don’t think you responded. This post just sees you digging further into the ground.

I don’t actually think you believe your second paragraph, I think you are just looking for a reaction. I don’t know your motivation but enough people read these threads without posting and some might actually accept what you state at face value. That is almost but not quite as sad as you posting it in the first place.

[Fife-Hibee]

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I challenged you earlier about your view on female politicians. Don’t think you responded. This post just sees you digging further into the ground.

I don’t actually think you believe your second paragraph, I think you are just looking for a reaction. I don’t know your motivation but enough people read these threads without posting and some might actually accept what you state at face value. 5ay is almost but not quite as sad as you posting it in the first place.

I do believe my second paragraph, because it's true. Do you think it's fair to treat women as the weaker sex?

[Mibbes Aye]

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I do believe my second paragraph, because it's true. Do you think it's fair to treat women as the weaker sex?

No I don’t. I am also sentient enough to know that discrimination and inequality is rooted in power and power relations. And by any measure or metric, women face a harder time, as do people from a black or minority background.

You really are looking for a reaction. One minute you are the Corbynist, one minute the nationalist, one minute the Express reader railing against Jo Swinson and claiming female politicians get it easy compared to Boris.

You should maybe find an identity that isn’t journeyman troll. I am sure you would gain a deeper sense of personal wellbeing.

[Fife-Hibee]

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No I don’t. I am also sentient enough to know that discrimination and inequality is rooted in power and power relations. And by any measure or metric, women face a harder time, as do people from a black or minority background.

You really are looking for a reaction. One minute you are the Corbynist, one minute the nationalist, one minute the Express reader railing against Jo Swinson and claiming female politicians get it easy compared to Boris.

You should maybe find an identity that isn’t journeyman troll. I am sure you would gain a deeper sense of personal wellbeing.

Someone posted an unflattering image of Jo Swinson for a laugh and you're throwing a childrens temper tantrum over it. Does Jo Swinson frequent the Holy Ground of Hibs.Net? Is she going to stumble across this thread tomorrow, then go cry in a corner about it?

I suggest that it's people like you who are looking for reactions. Always looking for a reason to be offended and upset over trivial things that have no direct effect on anything.

I'm a little more upset over tory policies (backed by Jo Swinson) that have ultimately contributed to the death of thousands of people across the UK. You're upset over a picture posted on here that she'll never see. Just let that sink in for a moment before constructing your next response.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Someone posted an unflattering image of Jo Swinson for a laugh and you're throwing a childrens temper tantrum over it. Does Jo Swinson frequent the Holy Ground of Hibs.Net? Is she going to stumble across this thread tomorrow, then go cry in a corner about it?

I suggest that it's people like you who are looking for reactions. Always looking for a reason to be offended and upset over trivial things that have no direct effect on anything.

I'm a little more upset over tory policies (backed by Jo Swinson) that have ultimately contributed to the death of thousands of people across the UK. You're upset over a picture posted on here that she'll never see. Just let that sink in for a moment before constructing your next response.

You cannot be taken seriously as a poster, but I will happily respond to any of your posts which I consider ridiculous and say why.

”Children’s temper tantrum” . You are a card.

Did you ever come back with proof of Swinson backing Leave in 2008 or are you going to delete the misleading posts where you suggested she was Out then and In now? Because you and I both know you were being untrue.

[Cataplana]

"Death of thousands of people." Do we have a source to verify this before I go repeating it to any refugees I might stumble upon.

[Fife-Hibee]

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"Death of thousands of people." Do we have a source to verify this before I go repeating it to any refugees I might stumble upon.

I was being lenient when I said "thousands of people".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a8057306.html

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2017/nov/...deaths-england

https://welfareweekly.com/study-link...120000-deaths/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...urder-11529388

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...ned-been-lost/

https://evolvepolitics.com/horrific-...hs-since-2010/

A direct link to the study: https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/11/e017722

[Moulin Yarns]

I heard she was pushing her children in a buggy at the Glasgow climate strike yesterday.

A wee bit of hypocrisy, apologies for the link, but the story is she accepted money from a fracking company.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...ubbed-16483979

[Fife-Hibee]

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I heard she was pushing her children in a buggy at the Glasgow climate strike yesterday.

A wee bit of hypocrisy, apologies for the link, but the story is she accepted money from a fracking company.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...ubbed-16483979

Claims to be pro-climate...... accepts bribes from fracking companies.
Claims to be pro-EU......... campaigned for an EU referendum 10 years ago.
Claims to be a 'progressive'..... despite her regressive voting record.

It's almost as if..... what she claims to be, doesn't match up to what she actually does.

[Glory Lurker]

She tells her laddie off for kicking a football indoors. How could anyone support her???? :-)

[The Harp Awakes]

Have to say, the Lib Dems are becoming really irritating.

Boris needs punted pronto, and yet the Lib Dems are still f@nnying around refusing to back Corbyn as a caretaker PM. This move has 1 purpose; to remove Boris from power and preventing a no deal Brexit before an election. What's the problem?

[Ozyhibby]

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Have to say, the Lib Dems are becoming really irritating.

Boris needs punted pronto, and yet the Lib Dems are still f@nnying around refusing to back Corbyn as a caretaker PM. This move has 1 purpose; to remove Boris from power and preventing a no deal Brexit before an election. What's the problem?

The problem is that it allows Corbyn to fight the next election as the incumbent and also as the man who postponed brexit. If I was running the Lib Dem’s I would want something in return, probably a non compete agreement in the top 20 libdem/Tory marginals at least. That helps keep the Tories out of power as well so would be in Labours interest to give it. I certainly would not do it for free.


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[stoneyburn hibs]

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Have to say, the Lib Dems are becoming really irritating.

Boris needs punted pronto, and yet the Lib Dems are still f@nnying around refusing to back Corbyn as a caretaker PM. This move has 1 purpose; to remove Boris from power and preventing a no deal Brexit before an election. What's the problem?

I can only think she wants her 5 minutes, surely her party members will overrule her.

[Cataplana]

So, was it the same image consultant that told her to wear red lipstick, that told her to start speaking with an English accent?

I suspect this girl is not the sharpest tool in the box, and is starting to see herself as potential PM.

[Dalianwanda]

Another Angry Voice isnt mincing his words today:
"The Lib-Dems really are a **** political party aren't they?
After the Lib-Dems have spent the last two years endlessly banging on about how much they oppose Brexit, and repeatedly calling for another EU referendum, all the other opposition parties have come to them seeking support for their cross-party plan to stop Tory No Deal Brexit chaos, and call another general election, with all of them proposing a final say referendum in their manifestos.
The Lib-Dems have been handed the blueprint to stop what they say they oppose on a silver platter, but instead of grasping it with both hands they've slapped it to the floor.
On the face of it their decision to keep the threat of Tory No Deal chaos alive makes no sense at all, because it completely contradicts their "bollocks to Brexit" posturing, but the mistake you'd be making would be trusting the Lib-Dems that they say what they mean (a painful lesson that students, electoral reformers, Anyone But Tory voters, and the anti-war demographic all learned the brutally hard way back in 2010).
There are many reasons the Lib-Dems are seeking to keep the threat of Tory No Deal chaos alive, and they all essentially come down to "party before country" self-interest:
Brexit chaos has been the single biggest recruiting tool the Lib-Dems have ever come across, so why would they help the other opposition parties disarm it, when the threat of it is driving thousands upon thousands of gullible dupes into their arms?
Almost all of the Lib-Dems main target seats are Tory marginals. If the Lib-Dems make Corbyn temporary Prime Minister in order to stop Tory No Deal Brexit, this will wreck their election strategy.
They're prioritising a couple of dozen parliamentary seats at the next election above the best interests of the entire nation (which is exactly the same kind of short-term party political gamble David Cameron took by promising the EU election in the first place, purely to nick a few thousand votes off UKIP).
Lib-Dem leader Jo Swinson loves to arrogantly strut around demanding that she gets to pick the leader of other parties, but she's actually representing a tight Lib-Dem/SNP marginal that the SNP took off her in 2015.
Labour and the SNP are keen for another General Election because they believe they have the policies to win more seats, but Swinson is actually terrified the SNP will take her seat again, especially given her Brazen hypocrisy of demanding another EU referendum because she didn't like the result, whilst vehemently opposing another Scottish independence referendum because she did like the result.
She's terrified of another election because she's afraid of losing her seat as a sitting party leader, which would eclipse the humiliation of Portillo in 1997, and Balls in 2015.
Another factor to consider is the ideological hatred the Lib-Dems have towards genuine democratic socialism. They're dyed in the wool neoliberals who strongly believe that vital national infrastructure and services should be run as private money-spinning operations for the benefit of the mega-rich, not as not-for-profit public services for the benefit of the British people and the British economy.
The idea of nationalising the railways, water supply, Royal Mail and national grid fills them with fear and ideological revulsion.
As far as they're concerned these things are, and should always remain the playthings of the rich.
If they allow Corbyn to serve as temporary Prime Minister to quickly and efficiently rule out Tory No Deal chaos and then deliver a general election, they know it'll help create the public impression that Corbyn could also deliver on his manifesto commitments to undo the most disastrous privatisation scams of the last four decades.
And the big money corporate donations that are pouring into Lib-Dem coffers would soon dry up if they did anything whatever to jeopardise the corporate money-printing scams of privatised utilities, privately-administered public services, PFI economic alchemy, and ludicrously one-sided corporate outsourcing contracts.
But worse even that the "party above country" posturing of the Lib-Dem leadership is the vile attack dog mentality of their tribalist supporters, who won't just perform extraordinary acts of mental contortionism to defend their party's efforts to keep the threat of Tory No Deal Brexit alive purely for their own party political advantage, they'll spew insults and mental health abuse at anyone who dares point out what a bunch of duplicitous self-serving charlatans the leaders of their political tribe are.
The outlandish gullibility it takes to actually believe the Lib-Dem leadership after their shocking track record of deception and betrayal in combination with extraordinarily vitriolic Lib-Dem outpourings of "how dare you criticise us" arrogance aimed at anyone who dares try to hold their beloved leaders to account makes Lib-Dem tribalists a particularly stubborn and nasty group to deal with.
The whole idea of keeping the threat of a catastrophic Tory No Deal meltdown alive, purely for their own party political advantage, whilst simultaneously trying to occupy the moral and political high ground should be absolutely repulsive to anyone with even a shred of decency."

[Ozyhibby]

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Another Angry Voice isnt mincing his words today:
"The Lib-Dems really are a **** political party aren't they?
After the Lib-Dems have spent the last two years endlessly banging on about how much they oppose Brexit, and repeatedly calling for another EU referendum, all the other opposition parties have come to them seeking support for their cross-party plan to stop Tory No Deal Brexit chaos, and call another general election, with all of them proposing a final say referendum in their manifestos.
The Lib-Dems have been handed the blueprint to stop what they say they oppose on a silver platter, but instead of grasping it with both hands they've slapped it to the floor.
On the face of it their decision to keep the threat of Tory No Deal chaos alive makes no sense at all, because it completely contradicts their "bollocks to Brexit" posturing, but the mistake you'd be making would be trusting the Lib-Dems that they say what they mean (a painful lesson that students, electoral reformers, Anyone But Tory voters, and the anti-war demographic all learned the brutally hard way back in 2010).
There are many reasons the Lib-Dems are seeking to keep the threat of Tory No Deal chaos alive, and they all essentially come down to "party before country" self-interest:
Brexit chaos has been the single biggest recruiting tool the Lib-Dems have ever come across, so why would they help the other opposition parties disarm it, when the threat of it is driving thousands upon thousands of gullible dupes into their arms?
Almost all of the Lib-Dems main target seats are Tory marginals. If the Lib-Dems make Corbyn temporary Prime Minister in order to stop Tory No Deal Brexit, this will wreck their election strategy.
They're prioritising a couple of dozen parliamentary seats at the next election above the best interests of the entire nation (which is exactly the same kind of short-term party political gamble David Cameron took by promising the EU election in the first place, purely to nick a few thousand votes off UKIP).
Lib-Dem leader Jo Swinson loves to arrogantly strut around demanding that she gets to pick the leader of other parties, but she's actually representing a tight Lib-Dem/SNP marginal that the SNP took off her in 2015.
Labour and the SNP are keen for another General Election because they believe they have the policies to win more seats, but Swinson is actually terrified the SNP will take her seat again, especially given her Brazen hypocrisy of demanding another EU referendum because she didn't like the result, whilst vehemently opposing another Scottish independence referendum because she did like the result.
She's terrified of another election because she's afraid of losing her seat as a sitting party leader, which would eclipse the humiliation of Portillo in 1997, and Balls in 2015.
Another factor to consider is the ideological hatred the Lib-Dems have towards genuine democratic socialism. They're dyed in the wool neoliberals who strongly believe that vital national infrastructure and services should be run as private money-spinning operations for the benefit of the mega-rich, not as not-for-profit public services for the benefit of the British people and the British economy.
The idea of nationalising the railways, water supply, Royal Mail and national grid fills them with fear and ideological revulsion.
As far as they're concerned these things are, and should always remain the playthings of the rich.
If they allow Corbyn to serve as temporary Prime Minister to quickly and efficiently rule out Tory No Deal chaos and then deliver a general election, they know it'll help create the public impression that Corbyn could also deliver on his manifesto commitments to undo the most disastrous privatisation scams of the last four decades.
And the big money corporate donations that are pouring into Lib-Dem coffers would soon dry up if they did anything whatever to jeopardise the corporate money-printing scams of privatised utilities, privately-administered public services, PFI economic alchemy, and ludicrously one-sided corporate outsourcing contracts.
But worse even that the "party above country" posturing of the Lib-Dem leadership is the vile attack dog mentality of their tribalist supporters, who won't just perform extraordinary acts of mental contortionism to defend their party's efforts to keep the threat of Tory No Deal Brexit alive purely for their own party political advantage, they'll spew insults and mental health abuse at anyone who dares point out what a bunch of duplicitous self-serving charlatans the leaders of their political tribe are.
The outlandish gullibility it takes to actually believe the Lib-Dem leadership after their shocking track record of deception and betrayal in combination with extraordinarily vitriolic Lib-Dem outpourings of "how dare you criticise us" arrogance aimed at anyone who dares try to hold their beloved leaders to account makes Lib-Dem tribalists a particularly stubborn and nasty group to deal with.
The whole idea of keeping the threat of a catastrophic Tory No Deal meltdown alive, purely for their own party political advantage, whilst simultaneously trying to occupy the moral and political high ground should be absolutely repulsive to anyone with even a shred of decency."

Which is all very well, who doesn’t like slagging off the Lib Dem’s but the reality is they are right. The numbers are not there for Corbyn because the expelled Tories won’t vote for him.


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[Northernhibee]

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Which is all very well, who doesn’t like slagging off the Lib Dem’s but the reality is they are right. The numbers are not there for Corbyn because the expelled Tories won’t vote for him.


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If it's a time limited government then I'm not so sure. What's worse, one month of Corbyn or a lifetime of the repercussions of no deal?

[RyeSloan]

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If it's a time limited government then I'm not so sure. What's worse, one month of Corbyn or a lifetime of the repercussions of no deal?

I’m deliberately not following all this stuff closely as it’s far too depressing but is the answer not as simple as Corbyn standing aside and letting a unity PM lead a unity government for a month?

[Cataplana]

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I’m deliberately not following all this stuff closely as it’s far too depressing but is the answer not as simple as Corbyn standing aside and letting a unity PM lead a unity government for a month?

I think she has been given the nod by some Tories that they'll support her if she comes across more Thatcherlike, and shes been daft enough to believe them.

[lapsedhibee]

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I think she has been given the nod by some Tories that they'll support her if she comes across more Thatcherlike, and shes been daft enough to believe them.

Just by the law of averages, sooner or later The Genius And The Oaf are going to get something right. And their banking on the opposition parties being unable to unify might well turn out to be that thing.

[Cataplana]

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Just by the law of averages, sooner or later The Genius And The Oaf are going to get something right. And their banking on the opposition parties being unable to unify might well turn out to be that thing.

As a conspiracy theorist, I just cannot accept that anybody could be as bad as that pair. It has to all have been a cunning plan.

[lapsedhibee]

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As a conspiracy theorist, I just cannot accept that anybody could be as bad as that pair. It has to all have been a cunning plan.

A cunning plan like losing seven votes in a row to take away the fear of losing seven votes in a row, or something even more cunning than that?

[Cataplana]

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A cunning plan like losing seven votes in a row to take away the fear of losing seven votes in a row, or something even more cunning than that?

So cunning it is beyond my imagination.

[Fife-Hibee]

The "moderates" strike again.
https://evolvepolitics.com/jo-swinso...privatisation/

[Fife-Hibee]

Utter charlatans!

[marinello59]

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If it's a time limited government then I'm not so sure. What's worse, one month of Corbyn or a lifetime of the repercussions of no deal?

The problem isn’t the LibDems. It the Tory rebels who will never support Corbyn. Swinson is only guilt of pointing out the bleeding obvious.

[Frankhfc]

I like Jo Swinson and her party. My own constituency M.P Christine Jardine has proved to be both competent and hard working. Their stance on revoking Brexit entirely is one I'm firmly behind. I'd like to see them make inroads into winning a great deal more seats across the board in future elections.

[Colr]

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If it's a time limited government then I'm not so sure. What's worse, one month of Corbyn or a lifetime of the repercussions of no deal?

Equally, what is the problem for Corbyn if its one month of Harriet Harman, for example?

[Fife-Hibee]

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I like Jo Swinson and her party. My own constituency M.P Christine Jardine has proved to be both competent and hard working. Their stance on revoking Brexit entirely is one I'm firmly behind. I'd like to see them make inroads into winning a great deal more seats across the board in future elections.

Funny. She's my MP also and just like Hamilton, she's never anywhere to be seen.

As for Jo Swinson. Her and her party are proving once again that they're fully on board with the tory NHS privitization agenda with the US. Which is directly linked to Brexit.

[Fife-Hibee]

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The problem isn’t the LibDems. It the Tory rebels who will never support Corbyn. Swinson is only guilt of pointing out the bleeding obvious.

Just because they won't support Corbyn, doesn't necessarily mean they'll back Boris either. The Lib Dems know they could be the key difference. Which is why they keep making up one pathetic excuse after another not to back a Labour Government.

It's incredible how there are still people who can't see them for what they blatantly are.