Brexit - What Now.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 18-10-2019 06:48 PM

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It didn’t so much get rid of the back stop as make it a certainty but only for NI. They are now permanently in the CU and SM and it is no longer dependent on a deal being achieved.
NI will now have to lobby Dublin on trade issues.

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I think it's also the biggest capitulation that Johnson could have done. It moves the border into the Irish Sea, something may managed to get changed.

**~~southsider~~** · 18-10-2019 06:53 PM

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I heard one commentator saying they had only removed the term The Irish Backstop and replaced it with something else. Not much else had changed.

It’s a cracking deal for N/I being in the single market but they will drag the rest of us out. A cracking deal is like saying Bighorn was a cracking deal for Custer.

***lapsedhibee*** · 18-10-2019 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

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I think it's also the biggest capitulation that Johnson could have done.

Surrender deal, just to avoid the embarrassment of asking for an extension.

**Chorley Hibee** · 18-10-2019 08:27 PM

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Surrender deal, just to avoid the embarrassment of asking for an extension.

To think that Johnson had been the one throwing that term around earlier too.

Absolutely no shame.

**Glory Lurker** · 18-10-2019 10:40 PM

So we have fellow EU citizens in Scotland having to get confirmed status. In some cases (all?) it last five years. Then what?

Disgusting state of affairs.

***Mibbes Aye*** · 18-10-2019 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Callum_62

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Why wouldn't they 3 line whip?

Not as if its not important or anything

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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Technically it is a three line whip but the leader is saying it’s ok if you ignore it.

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Corbyn and McDonnell voted against the Labour governments of 1997-2010 nearly a thousand times between them.

I would respectfully suggest they have no credibility when it comes to whipping anybody

**Glory Lurker** · 18-10-2019 10:51 PM

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Corbyn and McDonnell voted against the Labour governments of 1997-2010 nearly a thousand times between them.

I would respectfully suggest they have no credibility when it comes to whipping anybody

As a passionate remainer, though, are you not concerned that positively permitting his MPs to enable Brexit (and a Tory landslide in the election) is a bad thing?

***Callum_62*** · 18-10-2019 11:04 PM

Looks like the ERG are onside for the deal too.... No surprise given its potential no deal consequence in 2020

How any labour mps can support it is beyond me

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***Mibbes Aye*** · 18-10-2019 11:33 PM

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As a passionate remainer, though, are you not concerned that positively permitting his MPs to enable Brexit (and a Tory landslide in the election) is a bad thing?

Yeah, my point was the hypocrisy but I don’t think it comes to that with Corbyn because he and Milne want an exit anyway (or Milne certainly does and we will all end up in a socialist wonderland, immune from the rest of the planet).

I am away from home at the moment and not following the news as assiduously as I otherwise would. What I pick up is that Corbyn/Milne sees the chance to enable a deal, which disgusts me. I also think that the majority of those who voted for him as leader, even as entryists, don’t want to Leave.

As for the next GE, I find it hard to see beyond a Tory majority unless there is some sort of unity behind a Remain leader, plus loads of tactical voting. In this day and age that can be mobilisied but the block is Corbyn.

**Glory Lurker** · 18-10-2019 11:35 PM

I believed brexit couldn't possibly happen because it was so monumentally insane. My belief has been whittled away over the months until it was a thread, but it was still hope. Looks like that gets snuffed out tomorrow.

Voting for brexit was a positive decision to support restriction on people entering the UK. I get why remain didn't call that for what it was while there was still a chance to prevent it, but the kid gloves have to come off. Brexit voters are racists. Brexit is racist.

**Glory Lurker** · 18-10-2019 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

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Yeah, my point was the hypocrisy but I don’t think it comes to that with Corbyn because he and Milne want an exit anyway (or Milne certainly does and we will all end up in a socialist wonderland, immune from the rest of the planet).

I am away from home at the moment and not following the news as assiduously as I otherwise would. What I pick up is that Corbyn/Milne sees the chance to enable a deal, which disgusts me. I also think that the majority of those who voted for him as leader, even as entryists, don’t want to Leave.

As for the next GE, I find it hard to see beyond a Tory majority unless there is some sort of unity behind a Remain leader, plus loads of tactical voting. In this day and age that can be mobilisied but the block is Corbyn.

I would like to think that me and you actually agreeing on something will tear the space/time continuum such that Brexit will never happen!

***Mibbes Aye*** · 18-10-2019 11:54 PM

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I would like to think that me and you actually agreeing on something will tear the space/time continuum such that Brexit will never happen!

It feels like one of the Star Wars movies where they didn’t really get on but came together, just in the face of certain death.

Nice knowing you

**Glory Lurker** · 19-10-2019 12:25 AM

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It feels like one of the Star Wars movies where they didn’t really get on but came together, just in the face of certain death.

Nice knowing you

Ha ha ha ha! Thumbs up.

***grunt*** · 19-10-2019 06:15 AM

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/201...being-proposed

We are about to sabotage our relationship with the most successful economic project in the modern world. It is the biggest decision we'll take in our lifetime and one which, if we do it, we'll regret for a long time to come.

**~~ronaldo7~~** · 19-10-2019 06:21 AM

Super Saturday. The Letwin amendment will win through, making, Boris, have to sign that letter asking for an extension.

Let's hope the labour MPs stay onside.

***Callum_62*** · 19-10-2019 07:15 AM

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Super Saturday. The Letwin amendment will win through, making, Boris, have to sign that letter asking for an extension.

Let's hope the labour MPs stay onside.

What will the extension in this case achieve if both pass?

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***Callum_62*** · 19-10-2019 07:16 AM

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https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/201...being-proposed

And our parliment are given about 2 days to read a 600 page document with 90 mins debate on its merits

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***Moulin Yarns*** · 19-10-2019 07:23 AM

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And our parliment are given about 2 days to read a 600 page document with 90 mins debate on its merits

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I think I heard that the document was around 60 pages, May's one was 600, because there's not much in it.

***Callum_62*** · 19-10-2019 07:25 AM

This deal, if it is to pass, will not get Brexit done” he said.*“All we’ve done is end the first phase of the negotiations.

“In fact in the last three and a half years we’ve just done the easy bit, because we’ll move on to a long agonising negotiation in which Brussels will hold all of the cards

Quote - Nigel Farage.

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**~~ronaldo7~~** · 19-10-2019 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Callum_62

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What will the extension in this case achieve if both pass?

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I believe the letwin amendment is to ensure we have time to scrutinise/amend the legislation of leaving the EU. It will also allow MPs time to move into more fertile ground on changing legislation completely on leaving.

One thing you can guarantee though, is that all SNP MP's will vote down, Johnson's deal. Labour MP's, not so much.

***marinello59*** · 19-10-2019 08:06 AM

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Super Saturday. The Letwin amendment will win through, making, Boris, have to sign that letter asking for an extension.

Let's hope the labour MPs stay onside.

I'm not too hopeful on that score.

**~~ronaldo7~~** · 19-10-2019 08:09 AM

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I'm not too hopeful on that score.

Let's hope it stays low in number, but you never know.

Boris might chuck them a bung.

***Callum_62*** · 19-10-2019 09:04 AM

Letwin amendment selected by Bercrow

If it passes number 10 to send mps home and pull the bill

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***cabbageandribs1875*** · 19-10-2019 09:13 AM

orderrrrr every member who takes the floor must be heard, excluding ian blackford

oooh he's allowed to speak relatively unheckled this time

well said ian blackford

***Moulin Yarns*** · 19-10-2019 09:16 AM

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Letwin amendment selected by Bercrow

If it passes number 10 to send mps home and pull the bill

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Wow! Keep the news coming, I'm at Inverness in a sports centre and this is the only way I can find out what is going on.

**CloudSquall** · 19-10-2019 09:18 AM

Boris responds to Blackford asking if he'll join him in congratulating England on their Rugby win, what a knob.

**~~Fife-Hibee~~** · 19-10-2019 09:23 AM

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Boris responds to Blackford asking if he'll join him in congratulating England on their Rugby win, what a knob.

Now now.... Boris takes his rugby very seriously.

**Chorley Hibee** · 19-10-2019 09:29 AM

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Boris responds to Blackford asking if he'll join him in congratulating England on their Rugby win, what a knob.

Speaking as an Englishman myself, I couldn't believe that response on the back of Blackford's speech.

If that doesn't show the utter contempt he has for Scotland and its' people then nothing will.

**~~Fife-Hibee~~** · 19-10-2019 09:30 AM

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Speaking as an Englishman myself, I couldn't believe that response on the back of Blackford's speech.

If that doesn't show the utter contempt he has for Scotland and its' people then nothing will.

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