(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

**~~Slavers~~** · 17-10-2019 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by CloudSquall

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Yes

That's just delusional to think America will fight against a NATO ally.

I suspect no matter what Trump does he can't do right for wrong. America has nothing to gain from remaining in Syria. It's a local issue and the West should learn their lesson and stop getting involved.

Again the real problem is why were the West lead by Obama arming Jihadist fighters.

Orange Man Bad though!

***Callum_62*** · 17-10-2019 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Slavers

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The YPG have attacked before.

But the point remains, what is it your expecting Trump to do here? Continue illegally occupying Syria to protect the Kurds?

So they Wernt attacking then

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**CloudSquall** · 17-10-2019 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Slavers

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That's just delusional to think America will fight against a NATO ally.

I suspect no matter what Trump does he can't do right for wrong. America has nothing to gain from remaining in Syria. It's a local issue and the West should learn their lesson and stop getting involved.

Again the real problem is why were the West lead by Obama arming Jihadist fighters.

Orange Man Bad though!

Turkey only went in when Trump had the troops pack up and leave, there would not have been any need for NATO allies to fight.

The Kurds were already pulling back defensive positions and weapons from the border as agreed with the US.

**~~Slavers~~** · 17-10-2019 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Callum_62

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So they Wernt attacking then

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Have they previously attacked? They are fighting against Turkey now from land that they have stole from Syria.

The correct thing is for Syria to reclaim their land and offer the Kurds protection from Turkey.

The wrong thing to do is for America to get involved in yet another middle eastern conflict that they don't need too.

***Callum_62*** · 17-10-2019 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Slavers

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Have they previously attacked? They are fighting against Turkey now from land that they have stole from Syria.

The correct thing is for Syria to reclaim their land and offer the Kurds protection from Turkey.

The wrong thing to do is for America to get involved in yet another middle eastern conflict that they don't need too.

England attacked us once.

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**~~Slavers~~** · 17-10-2019 04:28 PM

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England attacked us once.

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Yes and your still after revenge.

**CloudSquall** · 17-10-2019 04:31 PM

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Have they previously attacked? They are fighting against Turkey now from land that they have stole from Syria.

The correct thing is for Syria to reclaim their land and offer the Kurds protection from Turkey.

The wrong thing to do is for America to get involved in yet another middle eastern conflict that they don't need too.

So why couldn't Trump have keep the troops in there until Syria was in a position strong enough to offer that protection against Turkey?

As has been seen this week deals between Assad and the Kurds can be struck.

***Callum_62*** · 17-10-2019 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Slavers

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Yes and your still after revenge.

Haha, Slavers indeed.

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***Moulin Yarns*** · 17-10-2019 05:45 PM

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Have they previously attacked? They are fighting against Turkey now from land that they have stole from Syria.

The correct thing is for Syria to reclaim their land and offer the Kurds protection from Turkey.

The wrong thing to do is for America to get involved in yet another middle eastern conflict that they don't need too.

The Kurdish people are a nationless population chased out of every country, a bit like the Palestinians and Israelis before they were gifted land by great Britain, land that was not Britain's to give.

The situation was stable until the Americans were pulled out with little thought to the consequences, like the freedom for ISIS fighters. Something that you seem to be happy about.

***Rocky*** · 17-10-2019 11:36 PM

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The Kurdish people are a nationless population chased out of every country, a bit like the Palestinians and Israelis before they were gifted land by great Britain, land that was not Britain's to give.

The situation was stable until the Americans were pulled out with little thought to the consequences, like the freedom for ISIS fighters. Something that you seem to be happy about.

I think this is the key point. I'm no expert on the situation so for all I know it's perfectly appropriate that the USA should withdraw from the region. But surely anyone can see that destabilising such a sensitive environment on a whim instead of as part of a carefully planned withdrawal is madness.

Hence, not for the first time, I'm going to conclude that Slavers defence of the action is motivated by something other than an objective review of the matters at hand.

***Ozyhibby*** · 18-10-2019 12:46 AM

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I think this is the key point. I'm no expert on the situation so for all I know it's perfectly appropriate that the USA should withdraw from the region. But surely anyone can see that destabilising such a sensitive environment on a whim instead of as part of a carefully planned withdrawal is madness.

Hence, not for the first time, I'm going to conclude that Slavers defence of the action is motivated by something other than an objective review of the matters at hand.

I think the problem for Trump and the IS is the reason behind the withdrawal. It looks like corruption.

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***cabbageandribs1875*** · 18-10-2019 02:09 AM

apparently this is the letter Trump sent Erdogan

***J-C*** · 18-10-2019 08:25 AM

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The Kurdish people are a nationless population chased out of every country, a bit like the Palestinians and Israelis before they were gifted land by great Britain, land that was not Britain's to give.

The situation was stable until the Americans were pulled out with little thought to the consequences, like the freedom for ISIS fighters. Something that you seem to be happy about.

Yep, they're basically like gypsies,most live in the eastern parts of Turkey and in countries bordering those parts of Turkey. When I holidayed many times a few years ago, they were treated poorly by the rest of the Turks, they owned some bars and restaurants but were closed down often due to being extorted by the local mayor and his cronies.

The last time I was there in Marmaris, there were 2 explosions a week after I had left, one on a dolmus bus and another in a litter bin near the harbour. A friend who had another week to go told us someone got stabbed on the steps of one of the bigger plusher hotels.

***Hibernia&Alba*** · 18-10-2019 10:32 AM

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apparently this is the letter Trump sent Erdogan

That's a real letter?

***DaveF*** · 18-10-2019 10:40 AM

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apparently this is the letter Trump sent Erdogan

That truly is a WTF moment.

**CloudSquall** · 18-10-2019 01:55 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50094738

"Like two kids in a lot, you have got to let them fight and then you pull them apart," he told a rally in Texas."

Mental.

***Sylar*** · 18-10-2019 03:00 PM

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apparently this is the letter Trump sent Erdogan

Nah, **** the **** off...that can't be real...

Wow. Just....wow.

**~~Cataplana~~** · 18-10-2019 04:05 PM

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50094738

"Like two kids in a lot, you have got to let them fight and then you pull them apart," he told a rally in Texas."

Mental.

The thing is the two kids aren't usually armed with weapons which they turn on each other and their families.

In most countries anyway.

***Ozyhibby*** · 18-10-2019 04:44 PM

Despite all the nonsense I still have faith that the system over there will eventually see trump in jail. Might be being a bit naive.

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***lapsedhibee*** · 18-10-2019 04:54 PM

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That's a real letter?

Not only real, but I'm sure Trump will be describing it as 'very beautiful' any moment.

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 18-10-2019 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

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That's a real letter?

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That truly is a WTF moment.

Originally Posted by Sylar

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Nah, **** the **** off...that can't be real...

Wow. Just....wow.

crivens, it's a letter i would have typed....with added sweary words

i'm astonished he even has the brass neck to type 'history will look back on you favourably '(erdogan) absolutely baffling

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 18-10-2019 05:16 PM

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Despite all the nonsense I still have faith that the system over there will eventually see trump in jail. Might be being a bit naive.

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i honestly don't think they will put either a sitting or ex-president in the clink, any attempts at impeachment/Suits appear to have stalled lately

***grunt*** · 18-10-2019 05:52 PM

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That's a real letter?

Sorry, had to delete that flashing emoji thing, it was driving me crazy.

The White House have now released JFK's letter to Khrushchev

**wpj** · 18-10-2019 08:36 PM

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50094738

"Like two kids in a lot, you have got to let them fight and then you pull them apart," he told a rally in Texas."

Mental.

Sand, there's lots of sand
What a total moronic prick

**Fuzzywuzzy** · 28-10-2019 08:19 PM

"Our K-9, as they call - I call it a dog, a beautiful dog, a talented dog - was injured and brought back," the president said.

How can anyone question this very stable genius?