Brexit - What Now.

[Moulin Yarns]

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The Court of Session delays ruling on the latest Brexit case (enforcement of the Benn act) until Oct 21 to see what Johnson & co do in the meantime.

BREAKING Lord Carloway rules the court will delay a final ruling on @DaleVince #BennAct case - resumes case after 19 October #courtofsession


https://twitter.com/severincarrell/status/1181873716994678785?s=19

[Speedy]

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I'm not in favour of preference voting. I think it would be clearer to have 2 votes (like the French presidential elections).

Week 1 - choose a Leave option. An actually agreed deal vs No deal. Key here is both options must be achievable (however catastrophic) with no wishful thinking.
Week 2 - chosen Leave option vs Remain.

I'd go with that.

[Colr]

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It’s against the law. It’s not about votes. It’s about whether he can avoid being charged.


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When has a PM ever been charged in this country. It just wouldn’t happen

[danhibees1875]

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I'm not in favour of preference voting. I think it would be clearer to have 2 votes (like the French presidential elections).

Week 1 - choose a Leave option. An actually agreed deal vs No deal. Key here is both options must be achievable (however catastrophic) with no wishful thinking.
Week 2 - chosen Leave option vs Remain.

Similar, but I think a 2-part vote done in one go would be easier to manage.

Part 1 - Remain or Leave

Part 2 - If it's leave, deal or no deal.

[southsider]

Why not put this : Q. Brexit is going to cost upwards of £100 Billion. Do u still want to leave the EU ?

[ballengeich]

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i see where you are with the 2nd referendum but I see little point in holding one if the 1st result isn’t respected. Any 2nd referendum would be a ‘should we rejoin the EU?’ Question. Agree with brexit or not, serious questions would arise about our democracy if 17 million people instruct the government to do something and they don’t (Tory and labour know this so won’t seriously push for it as their parties will be dead in the sea).

There are a number of possible future relationships with the EU if the UK leaves. At the time of the referendum it was not spelled out which of these would be sought. To "respect the result of the referendum" you should go back to the electorate to find out whether what is available is what they thought they would get, and that vote has to include the option of remaining. That should always have been the policy.

The real world possibilities are now no-deal, May's deal (though that might change next week) and remain. Recent opinion polls generally now indicate a majority wanting to remain. How would it be democratic to make such a massive change to the nation's future against the will of the majority?

It would be like going to a builder for a quote for work on your house and telling him that you're going to go ahead regardless of the price or quality of what he's going to do.

[southsider]

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There are a number of possible future relationships with the EU if the UK leaves. At the time of the referendum it was not spelled out which of these would be sought. To "respect the result of the referendum" you should go back to the electorate to find out whether what is available is what they thought they would get, and that vote has to include the option of remaining. That should always have been the policy.

The real world possibilities are now no-deal, May's deal (though that might change next week) and remain. Recent opinion polls generally now indicate a majority wanting to remain. How would it be democratic to make such a massive change to the nation's future against the will of the majority?

It would be like going to a builder for a quote for work on your house and telling him that you're going to go ahead regardless of the price or quality of what he's going to do.

Or him asking What you want done mate ? I don’t know Just get it done

[lapsedhibee]

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His bridge between NI and Scotland would need the greatest feat of engineering ever known.

Gloomster!

[stokesmessiah]

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Why not put this : Q. Brexit is going to cost upwards of £100 Billion. Do u still want to leave the EU ?

Because a lot of people don't care how much it will cost or the impact it will have. They just want the foreigners out and the opportunity to "rule the waves" again.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://twitter.com/rogerbarjb/statu...-7bhWohS5GikJc


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awk stop the teasing but i do support the idea of english independence tho i'm not sure how on gods great earth will we survive :(

[Hibbyradge]

I think I may have solved Johnson's dilemma over the extension letter!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-49996166

[Future17]

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I think I may have solved Trump's dilemma over the extension letter!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-49996166

Don't bring him into this!

[Hibbyradge]

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Don't bring him into this!

Bollocks. I meant that whankpiece Johnson, obviously.

Amended.

[Colr]

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Bollocks. I meant that whankpiece Johnson, obviously.

Amended.

Britain Trump, as we call him !!

So you weren’t entirely wrong!!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2019/jul/23/they-call-him-britains-trump-trump-on-boris-johnson-video

[Ozyhibby]

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Britain Trump, as we call him !!

So you weren’t entirely wrong!!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-johnson-video

I find the Johnson Trump comparisons quite lazy. They are not much alike apart from the blond hair.


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[wpj]

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I find the Johnson Trump comparisons quite lazy. They are not much alike apart from the blond hair.


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And they are both self serving right wing narcissist to$$ers.

[Hibbyradge]

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I find the Johnson Trump comparisons quite lazy. They are not much alike apart from the blond hair.


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I find the use of the word "lazy" to describe opinions as clichéd and glib.

[southsider]

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I find the Johnson Trump comparisons quite lazy. They are not much alike apart from the blond hair.


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Aye, but they are both balloons who wid stick their dick in a tear in a horse hair couch.

[JeMeSouviens]

Philip Hammond comes clean about "Buccaneering Britain".

We all know these trade deals are of very limited potential value and likely to be very hard to negotiate without serious domestic economic and political consequences

If only he'd been in a position to warn us before.

[JeMeSouviens]

From the Guardian:

A no-deal Brexit would put Nissan’s entire European business model in jeopardy, the car manufacturer has said in its strongest warning yet over the UK’s departure from the EU.

Gianluca de Ficchy, the chairman of Nissan Europe, said the imposition of a 10% tariff on exports under World Trade Organisation (WTO) terms would threaten the future of its large Sunderland plant.

“If we are in a situation in which tomorrow we have to apply 10% export duties to 70% of our sales, the entire business model for Nissan Europe will be in jeopardy,”

Ach well, it's only 30 thousand jobs. The unemployed just need to believe a bit harder anyway.

[Bristolhibby]

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From the Guardian:



Ach well, it's only 30 thousand jobs. The unemployed just need to believe a bit harder anyway.

Wish they had been as vocal in 2016.

Could have done with some hard warnings to areas like Sunderland and Swindon (Honda).

J

[Ozyhibby]

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[lapsedhibee]

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Shirley this is just more pretending - everyone trying to make sure they're not the one who gets the blame for finally pulling the plug?

[Smartie]

I've not heard any of the detail on this yet, but beady Caledonian eyes will be trained on the possibility of any deal that gives Northern Ireland a significant trading advantage over Scotland.

[Ozyhibby]

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I've not heard any of the detail on this yet, but beady Caledonian eyes will be trained on the possibility of any deal that gives Northern Ireland a significant trading advantage over Scotland.

And also any deal that would make independence harder. Anything that involves a border between iScotland and England does that.


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[Colr]

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And also any deal that would make independence harder. Anything that involves a border between iScotland and England does that.


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Don’t see a problem with a border between England and Scotland if there is no border between Scotland and Europe.

[Smartie]

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Don’t see a problem with a border between England and Scotland if there is no border between Scotland and Europe.

A lot of people would agree with you, the problem is that a few too many would probably disagree.

[Fife-Hibee]

Scotland has a choice. Either a border with England (who will trade with what?). Or a border with Ireland, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal.... etc

It's a real headache right enough.

[CloudSquall]

Personally wouldn't have any issue with a border with England, with modern technology and work arounds I don't think it would need to be some sort of return of the iron curtain.

I accept that's probably not the majority view, but then again I assume the biggest objections would be from those beside the border who for the most part are huge no voting Tories so I don't think it would be making too much of a dent in the Yes vote.

[Ozyhibby]

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Scotland has a choice. Either a border with England (who will trade with what?). Or a border with Ireland, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal.... etc

It's a real headache right enough.

It is. Like the brexiteers, you are ignoring geography. England is our nearest neighbours and it’s very important that we can trade freely with them. A Scottish business that wants to expand is going to look at Newcastle before it thinks of Portugal.


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