I think Farage has said, the Brexit party will only stand down if the Tories campaign for “No Deal”, anything less and they are going toe to toe with the Tories.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Thread: Brexit - What Now.
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09-10-2019 06:24 AM #2192
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The 2nd GE fought as a ‘referendum rerun’ in the event of an extension is absolutely going to happen. Only issue is first past the post skews it massively as BoJo only needs about 38% in reality as opposed to 50.1% (see the SNP in 2015 returning 95% of the seats on around 40%). That’s why I think the EU will see it in everybody’s interest it’s done and dusted this month - it’s highly likely BoJo is coming back and he’ll either leave immediately or sit back and veto every piece of business the EU try to do.
the general election campaign started as a precaution to the EU granting an extension. I doubt very much Merkel said anything of the sort to BoJo that she is attributed to yesterday, however a ‘Downing street insider’ has leaked it so now it’s fact. You are already seeing how leave UK and the rest of the media are treating something which is unattributed to any individual in authority and I can only imagine how the daily mail are treating it today. The core Tory support won’t accept the Germans telling us how to govern the UK so will be riled in BoJo’s favour, whether they actually did or not is irrelevant now.
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09-10-2019 06:26 AM #2193
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09-10-2019 06:36 AM #2194This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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09-10-2019 06:40 AM #2195
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09-10-2019 07:17 AM #2196This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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09-10-2019 07:37 AM #2197This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Vote in order of preference on no deal, specific deal, remain. If no overall majority then lowest tally is eliminated with their second preference deciding the outcome. Will there be outcry if remain wins, absolutely. However it would also show that leave at all costs isn't what the country wants. Conversely, if a version of leave wins then it is clear - no objections based on differing views on how we leave or any claims of protest votes etc., just a clear mandate to deliver it.
The problem with another referendum is that it is vague. There are multiple policies at play so it doesn't provide a clear mandate. Who does a Tory leaning remain voter opt for for example?
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09-10-2019 08:03 AM #2199
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1) it’s too close to call. No deal is a disaster and if they shouldn’t have asked the first question then they absolutely shouldn’t ask for the cliff edge.
2) remain solves nothing - we can’t move on as a country due to the divisions. We’ll appoint a euro sceptic government who will do nothing but obstruct EU business (look at what the SNP do at Westminster and hollyrood but multiply this impact by 100 as the UK can veto anything it likes in the EU)
the UK and EU only move on from this with a deal and brexit happening. That’s why we’ll get one for a leave on 31st.
if we learn one thing as a country then 2016 should be the last referendum we ever hold.
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09-10-2019 08:05 AM #2200This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If some do want it then at least they get their chance to say so. Assuming that was the smallest vote they their second preference counts.
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09-10-2019 08:17 AM #2202
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they have MP’s at Westminster to debate those
point is - the UK government would be exactly the same in the EU
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09-10-2019 08:25 AM #2203
If Westminster had paid any attention at all to what happens in Brussels we might not be here.
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09-10-2019 08:40 AM #2206
https://twitter.com/brunobrussels/st...392503296?s=21
Eu make an offer of time limited back stop.
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Week 1 - choose a Leave option. An actually agreed deal vs No deal. Key here is both options must be achievable (however catastrophic) with no wishful thinking.
Week 2 - chosen Leave option vs Remain.
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09-10-2019 09:33 AM #2213
MPs to sit on Saturday Oct 19th where I think Johnson will be trying to get No Deal approved.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49984367
Rebel alliance needs to get its act together fast.
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09-10-2019 09:39 AM #2214
Brexit - What Now.
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09-10-2019 10:21 AM #2218
The Court of Session delays ruling on the latest Brexit case (enforcement of the Benn act) until Oct 21 to see what Johnson & co do in the meantime.
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